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Are you vaccinated for COVID 19?

Are you vaccinated for COVID 19?

  • Yes

    Votes: 174 90.6%
  • No

    Votes: 18 9.4%

  • Total voters
    192
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missy

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@missy you know we would never get to 80% vaccination, right?

That’s no longer the goal. Unfortunately. If only some people would have been smarter.
This is the goal. To get as many people vaccinated as possible. As soon as possible.

 

wildcat03

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@Dancing Fire There wasn't a vaccine available for people to demonstrate willful neglect at the time.

Any healthcare worker who actively chooses to rally against healthcare should lose their license, certification, or accreditation.

Yes, good riddance to the vaccine deniers. Don't let the door hit you!! No reason that vaccinated, science-minded folks should have to expose themselves (and their families, some of whom don't qualify for vaccines yet) to EVEN MORE risk at work just because some people don't believe in science. And if you don't believe in science, you probably shouldn't be working in healthcare.

Plus, it appears to be a bunch of posturing: https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.ma...ndate-is-really-just-idle-threats-11632491048
 

Matata

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Another wrinkle in the vaccine debate: people on organ transplant lists. An article in my paper today is about the inconsistency of covid vaccination requirements at transplant centers. Some require the vaccine and move patients who refuse lower down the priority list or remove them from the list altogether. Other centers don't have a requirement. One of the docs interviewed said it is only a matter of time before all centers require the vaccine because they are evaluated on the longer-term survival of their patients. Transplant patients who acquire covid have shorter anticipated life expectancy.
 

Daisys and Diamonds

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@CathB Unless one cannot medically get vaccinated there is not an acceptable excuse. Those refusing vaccination who are medically cleared to get vaccinated are keeping the pandemic going. Are causing more people to get ill and to die. Innocent human beings like children and the elderly and the immunocompromised. Other health care workers who are the true heroes. Who are there in the front lines working selflessly to save others. They deserve protection from this horrible disease. They do not deserve to be put at greater risk. There is absolutely no valid excuse to refuse vaccination unless one has a valid medical reason. Not the ridiculous reasons they give. Unacceptable. And the fact you and @Dancing Fire think it is OK is a big part of the reason we are still dealing with so many dying. I hope you don't feel good about that.

"Over 100,000 Americans are currently hospitalized with Covid-19, and over 1,000 people are dying every day. These are people from all walks of life - rich and poor, white collar and blue collar, old and young. But according to an estimate from the Kaiser Family Foundation, over 98% of them have one thing in common: despite the ready availability of Covid vaccines, they chose not to get them.

The fact that Covid-19 has become a “pandemic of the unvaccinated” has been well-covered, and it dominates communications from public health authorities. However, millions of Americans who are eligible for shots still choose not to get them, and FDA approval of Pfizer’s vaccine doesn’t seem to have changed the rate of vaccinations nor people’s views on getting it. Some of those sitting out the shot are adamantly opposed to the vaccine while others claim to still be on the fence. Here’s a look at the adults who are still refusing to get a Covid vaccine, according to an analysis of nationwide polls.


21%

OF 18-29-YEAR-OLDS SAY THEY WILL NEVER BE VACCINATED

According to polling from the Kaiser Family Foundation, this age group also has the lowest percentage of adults who’ve received at least one vaccine dose (57%). (Only 41% of parents of kids ages 12 to 17 say their child has received at least one dose.)

This age group is followed closely by 30-49 year-olds, 19% of whom say they will never be vaccinated and 58% of whom report at least one dose.





18%

OF MEN SAY THEY WILL NEVER GET A SHOT

A gender gap in vaccine uptake has emerged and persisted in recent months, according to Kaiser. Fewer women say they will refuse the shot—10%—and are much more likely (71%) to report being vaccinated than men (63%).

According to data collected by the CDC, which covers around 90% of shots given, 53% of recipients are women and 47% men.


46%

OF REPUBLICANS HAVE NOT YET BEEN VACCINATED

Polls consistently identify Republicans as the group least likely to report being vaccinated and the most likely to say they will never get a shot.

While the proportion has changed over time—42% said they would probably or definitely not get a vaccine when available in December, 29% said they would never get one in March and in Kaiser’s most recent polling this fell to 20%—the group still has one of the highest rates of vaccine refusal among groups polled.

Democrats consistently poll in the other direction, with just 5% saying they will never be vaccinated and 86% reporting having at least one dose.


44%

OF WHITE EVANGELICAL PROTESTANTS HAVE NOT BEEN VACCINATED

This religious group, along with Hispanic Protestants, are the least likely to say they have or plan to be vaccinated, according to polling by the Public Religion Research Institute.

This remains unchanged from polling in March, though both reported double-digit moves towards vaccination. 24% of white evangelical Protestants say they will never get vaccinated, the highest percentage among religious groups polled.

But, as another group proves, these numbers aren’t set in stone: in March, only 56% of Hispanic Catholics had or planned to get a vaccine dose, but by June—which was even before the Pope urged everyone to get vaccinated and the FDA fully approved Pfizer’s shot—that number was 80%, which among religious groups is second only to Jews (85%).





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33%

OF RESIDENTS IN SOUTH DAKOTA SAY THEY WON’T GET THE VACCINE

According to polling by Morning Consult, South Dakota has the highest share of residents who say they are unwilling to get the vaccine - Covid cases have surged there nearly 700% since the August Sturgis Motorcycle rally.

South Dakota is followed by Idaho (32%), Alaska (29%) and Oklahoma (29%). Despite massive Covid-19 outbreaks, refusal rates in the most vaccine-resistant states have remained largely unchanged between June and August.

Mississippi and Louisiana are notable outliers, with the proportion unwilling to receive a vaccine falling from 31% to 26% and 28% to 22% respectively.


37%

OF AGRICULTURAL WORKERS SAY THEY WON’T BE VACCINATED

According to polling from Morning Consult, this group of workers also has the highest percentage of people who say they won’t get vaccinated, followed by construction (27%) and food and drink (24%).

Workers in the tech sector reported the lowest levels of vaccine refusal—12%—and 71% of financial services workers reported being vaccinated, the highest among the sectors polled.

Health care workers came in the middle of the pack, with 17% unwilling to be vaccinated and 68% reporting having received at least one vaccine.


20%

OF FOX NEWS CHANNEL VIEWERS ARE UNWILLING TO GET VACCINATED

Viewers who tune in to Fox News Channel at least once a month report the highest rates of vaccine refusal and the lowest level of vaccine uptake (59%) of all outlets polled by Morning Consult, including CNN, CBS and The New York Times.

Fox, with 63% reporting vaccination and 17% saying they won’t get vaccinated, had the second-lowest metrics.

Viewers tuning into MSNBC reported the highest vaccination (73%) and lowest refusal (10%) rates.


22%

OF PEOPLE WITH LESS THAN A COLLEGE-LEVEL DEGREE SAY THEY WON’T GET A VACCINE

Willingness to get vaccinated falls sharply along educational lines, according to polling by Morning Consult.

10% of college graduates and just 7% of post-graduates said they would never get the vaccine, while 78% and 83% report having been vaccinated, respectively.




Anti-vaccination protesters take part in a rally against Covid-19 vaccine mandates, in Santa Monica, California, on August 29, 2021.

AFP VIA GETTY IMAGES


Why People Refuse Vaccines

Why are people not getting vaccinated? These disparate groups of people who are refusing the vaccine have a variety of reasons, but here are some commonalities between them.


75%

OF ADULTS REFUSING VACCINATION ARE SKEPTICAL OF BOTH COVID AND ITS VACCINES

The vast majority—90%—of this group say they are not worried about getting sick from Covid-19 and are less convinced the vaccines work, according to Kaiser polling.

Those with no plans to get vaccinated also expressed distrust in companies making vaccines (17%) and against vaccines more generally (12%).


36%

OF ADULTS ON THE VACCINE FENCE ARE MOSTLY WORRIED ABOUT SIDE EFFECTS

Concerns about side effects were consistently the top concern for different groups open to taking the vaccine, according to polling by Morning Consult.

Fears the vaccines moved through clinical trials too quickly was another top concern among, reported by 31% surveyed.




22%

OF UNVACCINATED ADULTS DON’T THINK VACCINES PREVENT DYING FROM COVID-19

14% of unvaccinated people believe the shots are minimally effective at preventing death from Covid-19 and 19% say they do nothing to prevent serious illness, hospitalization or becoming infected if exposed, according to polling by Kaiser. Only 2% of vaccinated adults hold similar opinions.

Not only should those refusing to get vaccinated (who are medically cleared to get vaccinated) they should not receive any unemployment benefits whatsoever.




And I truly hope they cannot get unemployment benefits.



I don't understand the mentality. If people behaved like this during smallpox most of us wouldn't even be here today. Thank goodness our ancestors were smarter than that.




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Smallpox, which killed 300 million people in the 20th century alone and was eliminated through vaccination, not herd immunity, TRUE FACT, as it is supported by our research. Smallpox is an ancient virus. The first vaccine created by Edward Jenner in the late 18th century helped control disease transmission and, two centuries later, eliminate smallpox worldwide, thanks to a global eradication effort implemented by the World Health Organization. Herd immunity, the phenomenon when immunized people within a community or population protect those who lack immunity by preventing disease transmission, is not possible unless a certain percentage or threshold of immunity is held uniformly across a population. For smallpox, this uniformity has only been achieved successfully through vaccination and not through any natural occurrence of herd immunity.

Because immunity varies with age and not everyone can get vaccinated — such as those who are immunocompromised, have specific allergies or pregnant women with certain types of vaccines — herd immunity is a crucial protective phenomenon.

One important factor is the number of immunized people within a population has to be at a certain percentage or threshold. According to the WHO, this figure was eight out of every 10 people for smallpox, based on its early eradication effort.

And because pathogens are not confined by geographical borders, this 80% immunization or higher is not a threshold restricted to one population — it has to be shared by all, whether at a local, national or global level. This means if any populations have vaccination rates below the threshold, there is a great risk for disease transmission to other unvaccinated or vulnerable individuals, even in populations with adequate herd immunity, such as in the case with measles outbreaks in recent years.

For smallpox, this homogeneity in vaccination rates across varying populations was only successfully achieved with mass smallpox vaccination,

A second important determinant for herd immunity is how long biological immunity against a pathogen lasts. While immunological memory forms with every new infectious encounter, this can fade over time, which is why booster shots are typically given.




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some very intetesting stats there Missy

i dont get why some churches are aganist the vacine ?
but i dont understand those evangelical churches at the best of times
we have one here causing all kinds of trouble and putting vaunarable people not to mention the wider community at great risk
 
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