Apparently not a single PS member supports Trump

[WeeOui]

Ok, I'm a newbie, so I should probably not dip my toes in threads of a political bent, but my learning style is the hard way, so here goes. We're a house divided over here. I don't consider myself a republican or a democrat; my views are too mixed for me to truly identify with either political party. I actually think our two-party system is ridiculous and horribly divisive, especially now, but I digress. I'm socially liberal in that I believe that people should have the unalienable right to live in a way that makes them happy, as long as it causes no harm to others, whether the "others" are people or animals. I'm also vegan and an animal rights enthusiast, both of which would probably automatically qualify me as a "nut job" in right wing circles. Oh, and also, (and it's a BIG also - I'm an atheist.) So you see, the Republican Party would surely never claim me for their own!

However, economically, I'm conservative. I work way too hard to take care of myself and my family, and I deeply resent the thought of the government reaching into my pockets even more than they already do. My husband is part-owner of a small engineering firm, and while I realize we're very fortunate to be financially comfortable, that's because we've both worked our a$$es of to get there and have made huge sacrifices along the way. As a small business owner, my husband's (our) taxes are insane. I know without a doubt that this makes my husband a single issue voter, although he is also a vegan atheist hooligan like myself. He is in no way torn up about it, either.

For me, it's more difficult. I honestly don't know how I will vote. I just wish I could find someone whose views lined up with my own, and I would be happy to elect him/her as King/Queen for life. Seriously. I'm tired of this crapola ever four years.

 

[kenny]

Ok, I'm a newbie, so I should probably not dip my toes in threads of a political bent, but my learning style is the hard way, so here goes. We're a house divided over here. I don't consider myself a republican or a democrat; my views are too mixed for me to truly identify with either political party. I actually think our two-party system is ridiculous and horribly divisive, especially now, but I digress. I'm socially liberal in that I believe that people should have the unalienable right to live in a way that makes them happy, as long as it causes no harm to others, whether the "others" are people or animals. I'm also vegan and an animal rights enthusiast, both of which would probably automatically qualify me as a "nut job" in right wing circles. Oh, and also, (and it's a BIG also - I'm an atheist.) So you see, the Republican Party would surely never claim me for their own!

However, economically, I'm conservative. I work way too hard to take care of myself and my family, and I deeply resent the thought of the government reaching into my pockets even more than they already do. My husband is part-owner of a small engineering firm, and while I realize we're very fortunate to be financially comfortable, that's because we've both worked our a$$es of to get there and have made huge sacrifices along the way. As a small business owner, my husband's (our) taxes are insane. I know without a doubt that this makes my husband a single issue voter, although he is also a vegan atheist hooligan like myself. He is in no way torn up about it, either.

For me, it's more difficult. I honestly don't know how I will vote. I just wish I could find someone whose views lined up with my own, and I would be happy to elect him/her as King/Queen for life. Seriously. I'm tired of this crapola ever four years.

Welcome!

Hugs.

 

[WeeOui]

Thank you, Kenny! It's fun to finally start posting here!

 

[kenny]

Thank you, Kenny! It's fun to finally start posting here!

Clever screen name.
WeeOui's are nice

Enjoy the ride.

 

[House Cat]

Ok, I'm a newbie, so I should probably not dip my toes in threads of a political bent, but my learning style is the hard way, so here goes. We're a house divided over here. I don't consider myself a republican or a democrat; my views are too mixed for me to truly identify with either political party. I actually think our two-party system is ridiculous and horribly divisive, especially now, but I digress. I'm socially liberal in that I believe that people should have the unalienable right to live in a way that makes them happy, as long as it causes no harm to others, whether the "others" are people or animals. I'm also vegan and an animal rights enthusiast, both of which would probably automatically qualify me as a "nut job" in right wing circles. Oh, and also, (and it's a BIG also - I'm an atheist.) So you see, the Republican Party would surely never claim me for their own!

However, economically, I'm conservative. I work way too hard to take care of myself and my family, and I deeply resent the thought of the government reaching into my pockets even more than they already do. My husband is part-owner of a small engineering firm, and while I realize we're very fortunate to be financially comfortable, that's because we've both worked our a$$es of to get there and have made huge sacrifices along the way. As a small business owner, my husband's (our) taxes are insane. I know without a doubt that this makes my husband a single issue voter, although he is also a vegan atheist hooligan like myself. He is in no way torn up about it, either.

For me, it's more difficult. I honestly don't know how I will vote. I just wish I could find someone whose views lined up with my own, and I would be happy to elect him/her as King/Queen for life. Seriously. I'm tired of this crapola ever four years.

Isn't that what all of us are looking for???

 

[House Cat]

I appreciate your response. I've never had a discussion with someone who agrees with his views. My question is - if many of his policies are put into effect, for example, the immigration issue you mentioned (birthright children of illegal immigrants), do you think the gains made in the country will be enough to offset any potential damage he may do to our worldwide reputation? He is an extremely polarizing figure, not well-liked globally, and many are concerned he would start WWIII over a slight to his ego. Will ending birthright citizenship dramatically increase quality of life here in your opinion? The only thing I've heard him concretely that he supports in regards to healthcare are HSA accounts. He used to support a single payer system (like Bernie). If he repeals ACA, do you think he has enough support in Congress to effectively replace it with something that will keep millions of citizens with preexisting conditions covered? For all the failings, ACA has dramatically increased the quality of life in millions of Americans who were unable to find prior coverage IMO. Or do you think healthcare should remain privatized? ETA: I know he can't single-handedly repeal ACA - I mean successfully push for the repeal. Etc.

I'm battling an ear infection so sorry in advance if this isn't the clearest response.

1) I don't really care about our reputation in the world, as much as I care about fixing things here. I think cutting down on the amount spent on illegals will make a huge impact. I am in no way against immigration, I just don't think it's fair to those going through the proper channels that we reward those who come in illegally. I also don't think it will be the end of the world if any of the candidates get elected, because the executive branch can only do so much. We have checks and balances for a reason.

2) ACA- he also wants to make premiums tax deductible for people buying private plans. He wants to open up the marketplace across state borders, so that as long as plan x meets the requirement of another state, it can be offered there. He also doesn't think anyone should be forced to have insurance if they don't want it.

What happens if a person doesn't want insurance and has a catastrophic accident? Who pays the $120,000+ hospital bill? Before the ACA, the government usually ate the bill in one form or another. What is the plan for this scenario that is guaranteed to happen multiple times daily?

 

[liaerfbv]

I appreciate your response. I've never had a discussion with someone who agrees with his views. My question is - if many of his policies are put into effect, for example, the immigration issue you mentioned (birthright children of illegal immigrants), do you think the gains made in the country will be enough to offset any potential damage he may do to our worldwide reputation? He is an extremely polarizing figure, not well-liked globally, and many are concerned he would start WWIII over a slight to his ego. Will ending birthright citizenship dramatically increase quality of life here in your opinion? The only thing I've heard him concretely that he supports in regards to healthcare are HSA accounts. He used to support a single payer system (like Bernie). If he repeals ACA, do you think he has enough support in Congress to effectively replace it with something that will keep millions of citizens with preexisting conditions covered? For all the failings, ACA has dramatically increased the quality of life in millions of Americans who were unable to find prior coverage IMO. Or do you think healthcare should remain privatized? ETA: I know he can't single-handedly repeal ACA - I mean successfully push for the repeal. Etc.

I'm battling an ear infection so sorry in advance if this isn't the clearest response.

1) I don't really care about our reputation in the world, as much as I care about fixing things here. I think cutting down on the amount spent on illegals will make a huge impact. I am in no way against immigration, I just don't think it's fair to those going through the proper channels that we reward those who come in illegally. I also don't think it will be the end of the world if any of the candidates get elected, because the executive branch can only do so much. We have checks and balances for a reason.

2) ACA- he also wants to make premiums tax deductible for people buying private plans. He wants to open up the marketplace across state borders, so that as long as plan x meets the requirement of another state, it can be offered there. He also doesn't think anyone should be forced to have insurance if they don't want it.

In a general sense, I agree with you that I don't care if a particular country likes or dislikes the US, but in a specific sense, our global reputation DOES matter towards fixing things here. If we want to grow our economy, we want to have a positive relationship with the countries who buy our goods. Mexico is our 3rd largest trade partner - and Trump is threatening that relationship with "wall" plan. That's over 500 billion dollars annually IIRC.

Further, though he denounces Muslims every chance he gets - do you think he is aware that of the top 5 countries we import oil from, about 20% of that is from the Middle East? I think there is a very good chance our trade relationship with them would be GREATLY affected by a Trump presidency. If we lose oil from the Middle East, will he fund clean energy initiatives? Unlikely. That would mean greater drilling here at home, which in turn affects our environmental issues - yet we can't even get politicians to even admit climate change is happening!

IMO his global standing/relationships is actually the greatest threat to our country.

 

[NonieMarie]

I agree, how the world views us is the greatest threat to our financial well being and our security. You can not put blinders on and just worry about the US. Because of our past foreign policies and invasions of countries, WE have brought a world of hurt on ourselves. We need to slow the recruitment of terrorists. Donald Trump is the poster boy of recruitment. His blow hard big mouth and arrogance is going to send us to the brink of disaster.

 

[MissGotRocks]

He says a lot of things but I really don't hear any concrete plans about how he plans to implement the stuff. It may sound good and may strike cords with different folks in different ways but is it realistic? I think he is used to bullying his way through things and that is not the way our political system works - let alone the world stage. I think he would find his ideas very hard to put into play although he makes it all sound rather simple. Not.

 

[Dancing Fire]

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Further, though he denounces Muslims every chance he gets - do you think he is aware that of the top 5 countries we import oil from, about 20% of that is from the Middle East? I think there is a very good chance our trade relationship with them would be GREATLY affected by a Trump presidency. If we lose oil from the Middle East, will he fund clean energy initiatives? Unlikely. That would mean greater drilling here at home, which in turn affects our environmental issues - yet we can't even get politicians to even admit climate change is happening!

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We have more oil than they do.If we don't buy any of their oil they'll starve to death.