Another move by the Trump Administration

[kenny]

kenny? Question here. Technical question. It is pertinent to the design of the gun.

Does it matter if the gun hurts the woman? I know it it not supposed to hurt the fetus, which is life, but surely the woman is expendable.

Can you clarify?

Yes.

First arkieb1 wrote:
"The land of the free = free to kill a sh@#load of people with guns but not free for women to make their own birth control choices.... I wonder when the % of the thinking population will say we are sick and tired of living in a country bought off and run by white male misogynistic extremist dickheads."

I replied with:
"I've figured it out.
America needs to invent a gun that performs abortions, without hurting the woman.
The white male misogynistic extremist dickheads will love it.
A win win.

Nobel Prize here I come."

AGBF, notice the part of my post where I wrote, "without hurting the woman."

My post was a poor attempt to use humor to point out the irony of white male misogynistic extremist dickheads who support unlimited machine guns for all yet oppose choice for women.
Frankly I'm sorry I wrote it since it's in poor taste and crosses a line.
I apologize to anyone I've offended.

 

[AGBF]

I apologize to anyone I've offended.

I can only speak for myself, but you did not offend me. I found your posting very funny. I usually find your sense of humor funny and unique.

Deb/AGBF

 

[monarch64]

Several times now I have thought of organizing a grassroots sexual health information movement that would be designed to go viral aimed at preteen and teenage young women. Children DESERVE to be educated or have easy access to education on sexual health, how their reproductive system (and that of their chosen partner/partners) works, and how they can go about obtaining birth control, whatever method that may be, AND what to do in the event that they have unprotected sexual contact or intercourse.

Maybe it's already happening, I don't know. But I know there is a BOATLOAD of misinformation out there, and there are awful things kids can dig up such as pro-ana (pro-eating disorder) sites/thinspiration, and if THOSE kids can get away with it, there's every chance a sexual health movement would also succeed.

There are ways around these idiots who can't even practice what they preach and expect everyone else to adhere to laws that they themselves consider beneath them.

 

[AGBF]

Children DESERVE to be educated or have easy access to education on sexual health, how their reproductive system (and that of their chosen partner/partners) works, and how they can go about obtaining birth control, whatever method that may be, AND what to do in the event that they have unprotected sexual contact or intercourse.

I couldn't agree more, Monnie. I thought that that was the whole idea behind sex education! We have become more and more backward over time in the US. I have been lamenting the demise of the women's movement as I knew it for years. Now many of us are lamenting the loss of civilization as we knew it due to Trump. I saw the phrase somewhere recently, probably in "The New York Times", "The Visigoths are at the door". I think they have come through it.

But do not let me get you off topic!

Deb

 

[OreoRosies86]

Several times now I have thought of organizing a grassroots sexual health information movement that would be designed to go viral aimed at preteen and teenage young women. Children DESERVE to be educated or have easy access to education on sexual health, how their reproductive system (and that of their chosen partner/partners) works, and how they can go about obtaining birth control, whatever method that may be, AND what to do in the event that they have unprotected sexual contact or intercourse.

Maybe it's already happening, I don't know. But I know there is a BOATLOAD of misinformation out there, and there are awful things kids can dig up such as pro-ana (pro-eating disorder) sites/thinspiration, and if THOSE kids can get away with it, there's every chance a sexual health movement would also succeed.

There are ways around these idiots who can't even practice what they preach and expect everyone else to adhere to laws that they themselves consider beneath them.

I would totally join forces with you to do that. I'm not a health professional but there are plenty of women out there who could do something to contribute!

 

[monarch64]

I am better at conceptualizing than implementing, so it will take a team, for sure. I honestly can't believe someone hasn't tried CAPITALIZING on the issue yet. I mean, sure there are web sources like Jezebel/Bustle, etc. but those are aimed towards young women what, 18-24? 16-24? when the time kids need to be learning about things REAL TALK-wise is weeeelllll before that. 8/9/10? Yup, already talking about boobs and menstruating, and if we're old enough for that, we're old enough to learn about how bodies work without talking about it all hush hush and calling body parts ridiculous things like "privates." :roll Or whatever pet name someone had for the vagina/vulva/clitoris because they just couldn't bear to utter those words to their own child who came out of that very region or at least was conceived near it! (I realize that is a narrow-minded sentiment and I know that it isn't necessarily the rule that biological moms always do the explaining of these things--it just came to mind when I think of girlfriends of mine who've raised their daughters to use slang instead of actual medical terminology.)

Back to capitalizing, perhaps there is indeed some genius young woman who has self-published a related book or created a website or Reddit page or Snapchat or whatever the case may be. If she's really smart she'll have cribbed her notes before publishing so some idiot dude doesn't steal credit for the idea.

Basically this would be the same concept as spreading a rumor on the internet, only it would be a fact, potentially leading to an underground, "seemingly exclusive" place where kids/teens could find legitimate information without being found out by whomever controls or has access to their internet privileges. Feel free to expand on that as you will. Callie and Missy and several others have my email address and social media info...

 

[OreoRosies86]

There have been indie publications about menstruation aimed toward elementary age girls, but mostly laughed off as hokey or shunned as being "too graphic." I myself am pretty straightforward as a parent about how things work because I received a lot of false information growing up in a very Catholic environment. By the time I was in college, well... color me confused.

 

[yennyfire]

There have been indie publications about menstruation aimed toward elementary age girls, but mostly laughed off as hokey or shunned as being "too graphic." I myself am pretty straightforward as a parent about how things work because I received a lot of false information growing up in a very Catholic environment. By the time I was in college, well... color me confused.

@Elliot86 the American Girl books about puberty and "self care" aren't bad (they have one for younger girls and one for older). At least they were a place to start with my DD when she was about 9. It gave us something to look at, as my DD couldn't look me in the face, lol! We've always used anatomically correct terms in our house, but boy, here in the South, we seem to be in the minority...beans and weenies, anyone? Yikes!

 

[OreoRosies86]

@Elliot86 the American Girl books about puberty and "self care" aren't bad (they have one for younger girls and one for older). At least they were a place to start with my DD when she was about 9. It gave us something to look at, as my DD couldn't look me in the face, lol! We've always used anatomically correct terms in our house, but boy, here in the South, we seem to be in the minority...beans and weenies, anyone? Yikes!

I was embarrassed to death when I got my period for the first time and had to ask my aunt for help. Kudos to you for having a real dialogue with your daughter!

 

[AGBF]

My parents always used the correct anatomical terms for body parts and answered questions about sex truthfully. As a result I was exceedingly precocious. (A contributing factor was that I was intelligent and curious.) At less than three years of age I embarrassed my mother by asking if a man at a soda fountain had a penis. I guess pretty loudly.

My own daughter was a sort of sleepy child who didn't ask and so I followed the supposedly psychologically sound rule of following her lead. She thought all babies were adopted and since I got a telephone call in which I was told she had been born, we played a game in which a mother lion gave birth to a baby lion and "got the telephone call". One day she finally asked me how mothers who didn't adopt knew it was time to have their babies since they didn't get telephone calls. I told her that their bodies gave them the signals, but she really didn't want to know more right then.

I had also been taught that if a child shows far too little curiosity that a parent should volunteer information because it means the child is afraid or inhibited, so I stood ready to do that. Our situation resolved itself, though. And it is good that it did, because she was a very early "bloomer". She had breast buds by seven and got her period by 10. I am glad she was prepared for that.

 

[monarch64]

Deb, your story of the telephone call/mother lion is heartwarming. And I have a thought: were you precocious or just ahead of your time by asking about a "penis" in public? I mean who did it embarrass? Not you...only the adults. Remember Le Petit Prince? Wasn't the whole message that adults need to remember what it's like to be a child?

 

[arkieb1]

And old meme from F/B, posted by a friend of mine a couple of years ago and all the far right pro gun people could concentrate on/got from it was that somehow it admitted that abortion was equal to murder. More evidence they really don't get it;

 

[arkieb1]

My post was a poor attempt to use humor to point out the irony of white male misogynistic extremist dickheads who support unlimited machine guns for all yet oppose choice for women.
Frankly I'm sorry I wrote it since it's in poor taste and crosses a line.
I apologize to anyone I've offended.

I don't think too many people were offended, if you did offend anyone then it says more about them then it does about you. Aussies have a really scathing, frequently sarcastic and generally a pretty unabashed sense of humour, particularly for calling out hypocrisy.

 

[AGBF]

@Elliot86 the American Girl books about puberty and "self care" aren't bad (they have one for younger girls and one for older). At least they were a place to start with my DD when she was about 9.

My daughter happens to be taking a class on human sexuality right now at her community college. I had to go look at the title of her textbook, because I couldn't remember it. (I did read a little of it when she first started the class because she couldn't warm up to it at first and wanted support. It started with a discussion of natural selection.) At any rate her book covers a lot. It is called, Understanding Human Sexuality. I have no idea how it compares to other books on the subject as I am unfamiliar with them, but the chapters on natural selection and Freud seemed decent.

 

[yennyfire]

I was embarrassed to death when I got my period for the first time and had to ask my aunt for help. Kudos to you for having a real dialogue with your daughter!

@Elliot86 I had a similar experience. My Mom never said one word and when I got it (3 days before my 12th birthday), she got me pads and sort of told me how to use them, but not one word was said about what it meant and that I might not feel great, be emotional, etc. I'm determined to do better with my DD. I am very matter of fact about it, but she doesn't really want to talk about it, which is fine...at least she's hearing it, which may stick with her when the time comes and hopefully, then, she'll be comfortable enough to come to me.

 

[Arkteia]

And the response from women who support him still? They don't care, right? Not their problem? Other stuff to worry about?

They are either rich and can afford contraception, or pray the pregnancy away.

 

[Arkteia]

I realized I will never understand these women when they agreed with Pence that you should NEVER eat a meal alone with a member of the opposite sex, Now that is something to worry about.

I know why, and Pence is right. Men have crazy appetite, if you eat a meal alone with a guy, he will eat his and yours and leave you hungry! And no witnesses to prove he did it!

 

[Arkteia]

Several times now I have thought of organizing a grassroots sexual health information movement that would be designed to go viral aimed at preteen and teenage young women. Children DESERVE to be educated or have easy access to education on sexual health, how their reproductive system (and that of their chosen partner/partners) works, and how they can go about obtaining birth control, whatever method that may be, AND what to do in the event that they have unprotected sexual contact or intercourse.

Maybe it's already happening, I don't know. But I know there is a BOATLOAD of misinformation out there, and there are awful things kids can dig up such as pro-ana (pro-eating disorder) sites/thinspiration, and if THOSE kids can get away with it, there's every chance a sexual health movement would also succeed.

There are ways around these idiots who can't even practice what they preach and expect everyone else to adhere to laws that they themselves consider beneath them.

They do have sex ed at schools. Pretty good one. But apparently, they are ashamed to ask questions as it would indicate excessive interest.

Before, Planned Parenthood provided good sex ed to teenagers, but now so many have closed. Especially in poor neighborhoods.

 

[House Cat]

I'd like to extend a hearty middle finger to Trump voters, Trump supporters, non voters, and women who gleefully supported this nightmare.

+1

Actually, +2
... one on each hand.

In the words of the great Marilyn Manson... "I wasn't born with enough middle fingers..."

 

[Arkteia]

I'd like to extend a hearty middle finger to Trump voters, Trump supporters, non voters, and women who gleefully supported this nightmare.

Not "-ed". "-ing". Still supporting. I can imagine that people could believe in that Fantasyland for a while, but they keep on believing him.