Anothe H&A to Comment On, Please!

[noobie]

Here''s a stone that I''m seriously considering. You may recognize Linda''s images. I hope she doesn''t mind me posting them here for opinions. I may add that her service has been nothing but stellar. I sent her an e-mail last night at 9 PM and I got a reply at 11 PM. Awesome!




Here are the specs:




1.361 C


VS2 H


AGS0


Dia 7.24


Depth 60%


Table 56%


Crown 34.8


Pavilion 40.7


HCA Score 0.9 ,ex,ex,ex,ex




One thing, should I be concerned about the crystal by the edge of the stone?




Thanks

 

[noobie]

Here's the crystal magnified

 

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[Mara]

Amazzzinnngggg stone!!!

I would not worry about the crystal..it's a VS2 also. If you are worried, set the crystal RIGHT NEXT to a prong..where nothing will really be able to hit it and the prong will not put pressure on it. My stone is a VS1 and has a few feathers along an edge, the setter put the inclusions right next to the prong so that it won't take any impact and it's not under any pressure from the prong. Or you can see if setting it under a prong would be okay.

I think it's fine and the pictures are TOP NOTCH. I was drooling over this stone the other day...I think it's an excellent price for the size, color and clarity combo and the cut is stellar. Congrats, great eye!!

 

[strmrdr]

crystal arent as bad as feathers or cracks from what I understand.
They are usualy naturaly sealed.
Maybe one of the experts will see this and comment.

 

[Tek]

The Idealscope and H&A images are awesome. That stone will perform nicely!! Being that the crystal is a VS2, you will have a difficult time seeing it under a loop. Impossible to see with the naked eye. It's a very nice diamond.

 

[Giangi]

It's just amazing!!!!

Looks really lovely... great cut, premium size and great inclusion location... Prong it and kiss it bye bye!

 

[phoenixgirl]

Yes, you've really found a great stone.

If your search is done, now you'll have to hang around here helping other people find great stones like yours.

I have to say, working at 11pm at night is very commendable. I hope Linda will remember to take a vacation if/when she needs it!

 

[noobie2]

You might want to double-check the eye clean diagnosis...side view of the same diamond.

 

[noobie2]

one more...

 

[noobie2]

last one.

 

[bling]

it looks like a real winner! is that the crystal being made reference too? if im not mistaken, "eye-clean" refers to what you can see from the table, not the pavillion. if you cannot see it from the table, then yes, technically its an eye clean stone. i too had a vs2 stone with a black inclusion in the table. from the arms length distance it was eyeclean..and noooo one would have been able to find it unless i told them exactly where it was..but yes, from the pavillion side, it was noticeable. you could look at it as a very good way to identify your stone if it is ever sent to the jewelers for cleaning or whatevers..

your stone still looks great though! good luck!

 

[noobie]

Noobie2, thanks for dropping in and posting the pictures.It appears you were considering this diamond as well.I have to give Linda credit for providing high magnification side view pictures including darkfield at what, 50 to 100x magnification on absolutely the worst view of the diamond.There are not a lot of vendors that would do this.Many jewelers just give you a 10x loupe to look at a mounted stone.

She also sent me some with the facet turned to see what it might look like from the side with the prong covering the inclusion.They follow here.

The inclusion is somewhat like a coin with the thin side facing the crown.The stone faces up eye clean.On the side there is a black spec as shown that is barely the width of the girdle.It seems like a prong would effectively cover it up.What do you think?

By the way Linda’s service is exceptional.Can’t you tell by the effort she makes in customer service?!

 

[noobie]

At 120 degrees

 

[noobie]

At 180 degrees

 

[noobie]

I also spoke to Martin Fuller, a respected appraiser at the forum to inquire about sending him the three stones that I am buying.After we finished discussing logistics, I asked if VS2 was eye clean.He gave me the GIA definition, which is the grades depend upon the number, type, size and location of the inclusions.He said it was not uncommon to see inclusions from the pavilion of the stone for VS grades.He even said he has seen inclusions from the top on VS1 stones without magnification.He must have better eyes than me!Better trained for sure.

I’m a perfectionist like most, and the 100x magnification of the black blob is ugly, but to keep things in perspective, it is a VS2 and not an IF (even IFs have flaws at more than 10x mag).The stone is beautiful in every other respect.It has great spread, Hearts and Arrows and Firescope images and it scores an excellent 0.9 on the HCA with four excellent scores (rarely seen).It looks like a prong can cover the inclusion as small as it is as well.

Can anyone think of a reason why I shouldn’t buy this diamond?Can any of the independent appraisers comment on the impact on the value of the stone the little black blob causes?

 

[aljdewey]

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On 3/14/2004 11:57:08 PM noobie2 wrote:





You might want to double-check the eye clean diagnosis...side view of the same diamond.

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Considering that eyeclean typically refers to the view in the face-up position, I'm sure it is indeed *eyeclean*. Plus, isn't this magnified to like TWO HUNDRED percent or something? Seriously.....! Babie, if Linda tells you it's eyeclean, I'd believe it.

FYI - sometimes inclusions can be seen from the side in VS diamonds too. Diamonds aren't meant to be graded through the pavilion.

Babie, if it concerns you (which it shouldn't - this is magnified to be the size of New Jersey!!!!), you may want to have an appraiser view the stone first and see if positioning this under or near a prong will be possible without compromising the integrity of the stone.

 

[noobie2]

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The Idealscope and H&A images are awesome. That stone will perform nicely!! Being that the crystal is a VS2, you will have a difficult time seeing it under a loop. Impossible to see with the naked eye. It's a very nice diamond.

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Excerpts from another thread:

I completely disagree with ANYONE "slamming" a diamond, or with ANYONE thinking that's ok to do to a vendor just because we're in the internet format. . . . Further, consider that if people think that's their role here, ALL useful information will stop. . . . A PERFECT example of what I'm talking about.....someone recently posted an IS image of a stone and asked if the stone was a nice stone/good buy. (By the way, his question wasn't "is this the most perfect diamond in the history of the universe?" ....it was simply "is this a decent diamond?") Someone with a whole *2* posts to their name comes on and posts pictures of an inclusion on the diamond magnified to the MILLIONTH degree and says "oh, you better recheck that eyeclean thing". WHAT? MORON.....the inclusion is blown up to the size of JUPITER - of course it looks like crap that way!

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My post was merely referring to the aforementioned blanket diagnosis and was in no way meant to question Linda's integrity re: any opinion/judgment/analysis she may have provided Noobie with. Moreover, if you will notice, I did not question the quality of the stone nor did I discourage Noobie from purchasing it in any way. I provided three (3) pictures and called into question an unqualified statement announcing: "mpossible to see with the naked eye." Comments such as these seem to run rampant on these and other sites, which is unfortunate. Nonetheless, as I am sure Linda has communicated to Noobie, this does appear to be a beautiful stone.

I should also add that I 100% agree with Noobie. Linda provides excellent customer service and, to date, has been incredibly helpful and patient with my personal search for the "perfect" (subjective term) diamond. I hope that my previous posts do not compromise this in any way, as they were not intended to "slam" anyone (as others have referred to it in other posts) -- they were only intended to provide more information, as requested. Noobie solicited "comments" and asked, " . . . should I be concerned about the crystal by the edge of the stone?" My post allowed for further discussion of this issue, without offering an opinion.

Would it have been more appropriate to sit on the photos of the diamond he was asking for comments on? You tell me. But last time I checked, this forum was intended to allow consumers and experts alike to converse, so that they may make informed decisions. Ultimately, an expert--which I certainly am not--may dismiss this inclusion as being unworthy of concern. If so, problem solved. And, correct me if I am wrong, Noobie, but isn't this the very reason you posted your photos in the first place -- to thoroughly address your stated concerns and to be made aware of any issues that you may have inadvertently overlooked? This demonstrates why the PS forum is such a powerful tool. Our collective posts our representative of this.

On a side note, others may want to examine their own conduct before they accuse others of "slamming."

 

[noobie2]

Hooray for Linda!

 

[noobie2]

Hip, hip, HOORAY!!

 

[aljdewey]

Noobie2, this is exactly my point from the other thread. Do you know what eyeclean is? It means that you won't be able to see inclusions in the face up position without magnification.

When you posted these pictures, you said "You might want to double-check the eye clean diagnosis...side view of the same diamond." Had your comment been "the inclusion isn't impossible to see with the naked eye from the side position", it would have been much clearer what your comment referred to.....or had you quoted the comment you were referring to.

As presented, your comment implied that the vendor's promise of being eyeclean was false, and that's what *my* comments took exception to. When someone's comments can be taken to mean that a vendor is being less than truthful about his product, that's a problem.

 

[Mara]

Yay the diamond looks excellent!

VS2 is graded face up as the others have noted, so its not unheard of to see an inclusion from the side. Cover that baby with a prong and enjoy your new stone!!

 

[Tek]

Woohoo! Congrats on your beautiful diamond. I think it will make you very, very happy.

 

[pauls girl]

What a great find!

I am so excited for you! Make sure to post pictures once you get it mounted!

Congratulations!

 

[noobie]

Hello everyone.... Inclusion Update!




Well I just got the ring back from Quest and returned from Fuller and Associates. Based on professional advice that the crystal did not break the surface and was a very unlikely durability issue, I had it set under a prong. Even though it looks likes a blob in the pictures, it is in reality so small that it totally disappears under the prong. The only evidence of it is a small reflection under a 65X microscope. I couldn't find under a loupe at all. I asked Etta of Fuller's what the stone would be graded as with the crystal covered. It's so clean otherwise that she said as mounted it would probably grade as VVS1 or VVS2!




Well it just goes to show you that when people (i.e ME) shop for diamonds, they (I) can be so immersed in details that they (I) can't see the forest through the trees. I almost passed on this diamond because of the crystal. What I got was effectively a much higher clarity grade when mounted. I'm glad I listened to you guys, and learned that although diamond buying is a lot about science it's also a lot about art. I hope maybe this helps other people assess their purchases and optomize them for what their priorities are. After all, not all of us can afford 7 carat flawless D diamonds.

 

[Stephan]

Please post pics of the ring!
VS2 is great.
H is great too, and the girdle isn't faceted, so your diamonds looks whiter.
0.9 TIC? AWE-SOME.