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vanstaal2014

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I have spent quite some time looking for an engagement ring. I am learning little by little about diamonds as I browse through some of the post. Could you guys please share some of your thoughts regarding to the price and the quality of this specific stone? Is it worth the bucks? I have bought some earrings for her before and returned dues to the milky/hazy looks, I don't want to make the same mistake again.

Price: $5,780

https://www.jamesallen.com/loose-di...e-color-vs1-clarity-excellent-cut-sku-3194996

Pairing it with this particular setting.

https://www.jamesallen.com/engageme...pave-crown-diamond-engagement-ring-item-53057
 
vanstaal2014 said:
I have spent quite some time looking for an engagement ring. I am learning little by little about diamonds as I browse through some of the post. Could you guys please share some of your thoughts regarding to the price and the quality of this specific stone? Is it worth the bucks? I have bought some earrings for her before and returned dues to the milky/hazy looks, I don't want to make the same mistake again.

Price: $5,780

https://www.jamesallen.com/loose-di...e-color-vs1-clarity-excellent-cut-sku-3194996

Pairing it with this particular setting.

https://www.jamesallen.com/engageme...pave-crown-diamond-engagement-ring-item-53057
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Can you run the angles/depths through the HCA tool, linked to on the top tabs?
 
This is your HCA report. Very nice!!!

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She will perform VERY well!!! The clarity is great, the color is perfect! If it suits your budget, you shouldn't hesitate. There is no Fluorescence, so there should be no milkiness or haze.
If you prefer something less expensive for the size (Ct wt), you could drop down in color to a G; you may be able to find something heavier in a lower color range for the same round about price, or less...
IMHO, this diamond is beautiful, and well worth the money for the quality!!! Great find!!
 
I would ask JA for an ideal scope image just to sure of performance.
 
Ok, this is a nice stone, but I am not in love with the shallower crown angle, larger table and skinny arrows. Expect this stone to show more brilliance (white sparkle) vs fire (color flashes). Here is a stone that I personally prefer better: https://www.jamesallen.com/mobile/l...f-color-vs2-clarity-excellent-cut-sku-3336928
I don't think that the difference between E and F will be noticeable, but I just prefer the aesthetics of this stone. There are others, too, I just don't know how committed you are to the one you had in mind;-)
 
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SimoneDi said:
Ok, this is a nice stone, but I am. It in love with the shallower crown angle, larger table and skinny arrows. Expect this stone to show more brilliance (white sparkle) vs fire (color flashes). Here is a stone that I personally prefer better: https://www.jamesallen.com/mobile/l...f-color-vs2-clarity-excellent-cut-sku-3336928
I don't think that the difference between E and F will be noticeable, but I just prefer the aesthetics of this stone. There are others, too, I just don't know how committed you are to the one you had in mind;-)
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Nice stone...I prefer this one over the original stone due to the higher crown and smaller table.
 
Wow, Thank You for all the inputs here. I honestly don't know how much of the difference between brilliance/fire and the affects of them unless I see them side by side in person. I have placed an ordered for the one I have picked and it should arrive within the next 2-3 weeks. In the meantime, I will save the other stone that you guys have suggested incase I need to switch them. I'll update some photos once the set arrive. :dance:
 
Witos said:
Not sure about that clarity. S1 with the main culprit right on the table is not "mind clean". The strong yellow flouro really puts me off.
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For sure it's not mind clean, but I highly doubt OP's g/f would be able to see it, unless someone pointed it out to her under a scope.

Yellow fluorescence also turns some people off, so it's not 100% ideal, but once again, probably not noticeable in most cases.

She should, however, notice the extra 0.7mm.
 
HDer said:
Most people on this forum are obsessed with HCA scores, but I would personally, if I were in your shoes, go with something like this: https://www.jamesallen.com/loose-di...i-color-si1-clarity-excellent-cut-sku-3343276
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From another thread
HDer said:
Think about it this way: HCA tries to define the "ideal" cut for diamonds that are already "excellent" cut. So, as the name would suggest if the diamond is already excellently cut, the room for improvement is not huge.

So let's say there's a 10% or a 20% increase in brilliance (by my estimates this is generous). Is there a difference? Sure. Would you notice normally if you don't have the diamonds side by side? Probably not, unless you're a trained gemologist.

It's the same as clarity or color. There are diminishing returns.
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You seem to have a slightly warped view of HCA. HCA does not attempt to define ideal cut for already excellent, indeed many very good GIA and even good can score admirably in HCA.

HCA is an algorithm that simulates light leakage. It assumes perfect symmetry across the stone (ie all crown/pavilion angles are exactly as you input) etc. It does its job as described. A perfectly symmetrical HCA 1.7 stone will have stronger light return than an HCA 5.7. That is fact.
Whether the difference in light return differentiates beauty is a whole other discussion. Some very well performing HCA diamonds may suffer from obstruction upclose. HCA seems to be overly harsh to slightly steep/deep stones (such as 35/41) combos which many people favour. But the higher the number, generally the less the light return.

HCA is far less useful if the stone in question has very poor optical symmetry, an H&A HCA 2.5 may be far preferable to a poorly cut HCA 1.0.

Your explanations of HCA and general persona of the people here seems to be overly generalised and may not be the most useful to newcomers. I have seen stark contrast between HCA <2 and >6 stones (GIA XXX), noticed when the stones were not next to each other.

It is true that many stones >2 can be beautiful, but generally if a consumer is buying online with no way to view the stone, a higher proportion of better cut stones will be <HCA 2. This aids will online purchases where one does not have the luxury to examine the stone. If viewing in person and someone sees a 5.9 HCA they love, then personal preference of course takes precedence and HCA can go out the window. HCA does provide an extra tool in the ammunition for people in selecting diamonds that is without doubt useful, in the right context and understanding.

When you say most people here are obsessed with HCA, I read your thread and saw many helpful opinions, beyond just the focus on cut.

This is a poor choice diamond due to fluor, poor optical symmetry (high amount of obstruction around 7-11 oclock, and generally significantly around the table reflection). that would appear dark on viewing. It has a knot that can fill in and more visible in the future (although it is only the third inclusion listed). The crystal (primary inclusion) appears near the table surface and may be visible at an angle). Under the table is visibly darker than the edge due to poor optical symmetry and angles.

When you put in 34/41.4 in HCA, the average is 41.4 for the pavilion, it may actually be a range of 41 to 41.6 then the average is 41.4.

Before recommending strong yellow fluorescence with such confidence, may I ask if you have personally examined several stones with strong yellow fluor in different lighting conditions before advising other consumers that they will be OK? You are ok with warmer colours, based on your stone selection, others may not be. I is when people notice tint and most people notice blue fluor when strong (as a favourable attribute in many cases), I suspect people after a bargain by getting the edge of perceptible colour will not appreciate strong yellow.
 
SimoneDi said:
Ok, this is a nice stone, but I am not in love with the shallower crown angle, larger table and skinny arrows. Expect this stone to show more brilliance (white sparkle) vs fire (color flashes). Here is a stone that I personally prefer better: https://www.jamesallen.com/mobile/l...f-color-vs2-clarity-excellent-cut-sku-3336928
I don't think that the difference between E and F will be noticeable, but I just prefer the aesthetics of this stone. There are others, too, I just don't know how committed you are to the one you had in mind;-)
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I changed my mind and took yours and tyty333 advices. Better to listen to those with more experiences and save a few extra hundred sounds like a smarter choice. Thanks guys
 
vanstaal2014 said:
I changed my mind and took yours and tyty333 advices. Better to listen to those with more experiences and save a few extra hundred sounds like a smarter choice. Thanks guys
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Awesome! I hope you love the stone and savings are always welcomed! ;)
 
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