Advice on Diamonds

dealsaholic000 · Aug 21, 2017

Hi,

I'm new here. I've read through a lot of information on pricescope. I think I've grasped that cut is king and that GIA-XXX may not be enough.

I'm looking for a diamond with:

Cut: Ideal
Color: F
Clarity: VS2 Eye Clean
Carat: 1.05 - 1.15
HCA: Excellent

Price wise, the lower the better

. I'd definitely like to not spend more than 8K USD though that's flexible.

I used the pricescope search tool to look for diamonds. I found

http://www.b2cjewels.com/dd/9677359/1-10-carat-round-diamond-f-color-vs1-clarity

and a lot of virtual diamonds from USA Certed. USA certed seems interesting as they don't seem to carry inventory but they're actually located in the same city as I am (Toronto).

Any thoughts on the b2c diamond based on the idealscope or ASET. Has anyone had a good experience with USA Certed?

Thanks,

ringo865 · Aug 21, 2017

Not sure whether Vincent is "for pay", but pricescopers will help you do all of that for free. Just sayin'.

dealsaholic000 · Aug 21, 2017

Got it. Thanks. Any thoughts on the idealscope/ASET images of this one?
http://www.b2cjewels.com/dd/9677359/1-10-carat-round-diamond-f-color-vs1-clarity

rockysalamander · Aug 21, 2017

Does is have to be an F color? That will drive the price up. Do you know if she is color sensitive?

Compare your IS to this one. https://www.jamesallen.com/loose-di...at-h-color-vvs2-clarity-ideal-cut-sku-3267898 to see what I'm seeing. This is a good stone, but I'm mostly linking to give you a contrast between the two stones.

HCA under 2.0 keeps it in the runnig, but there is a lot of assymettry with the cut. I don't expect perfection for a non-super ideal, but these ares are pretty wonky.

ac117 · Aug 21, 2017

dealsaholic000 · Aug 21, 2017

Thanks rockysalamander and ac117. Is the best way to determine the difference between a G and F to go to a B&M store and ask to compare the different color grades?

ac117 said:
G is still very white and would open up so many options for you.

You could even get a super ideal stone...top of the line cut with an excellent upgrade policy....if you are flexible enough to get this stone, which is marked eye clean: https://www.whiteflash.com/loose-diamonds/round-cut-loose-diamond-3802924.htm

Just a preliminary search shows lots of James Allen True Hearts stones in your budget:
https://www.jamesallen.com/loose-di...rat-g-color-vs2-clarity-ideal-cut-sku-3151844
https://www.jamesallen.com/loose-di...f-color-vs2-clarity-excellent-cut-sku-3178648
https://www.jamesallen.com/loose-di...rat-g-color-si1-clarity-ideal-cut-sku-3257550
https://www.jamesallen.com/loose-di...rat-g-color-vs2-clarity-ideal-cut-sku-3280372

A few other options that you could ask for ideal scopes for:
https://www.jamesallen.com/loose-di...g-color-vs2-clarity-excellent-cut-sku-3168513
https://www.jamesallen.com/loose-di...g-color-vs2-clarity-excellent-cut-sku-3122321
https://www.jamesallen.com/loose-di...f-color-vs2-clarity-excellent-cut-sku-3228527
https://www.jamesallen.com/loose-di...-color-vvs2-clarity-excellent-cut-sku-3011805

ac117 · Aug 21, 2017

Yes but make sure they are GIA or AGS graded - other labs like IGI, EGL, etc. have softer standards so their G may be closer to and H/I/J for GIA/AGS.

flyingpig · Aug 21, 2017

rockysalamander said:
Does is have to be an F color? That will drive the price up. Do you know if she is color sensitive?

Compare your IS to this one. https://www.jamesallen.com/loose-di...at-h-color-vvs2-clarity-ideal-cut-sku-3267898 to see what I'm seeing. This is a good stone, but I'm mostly linking to give you a contrast between the two stones.

HCA under 2.0 keeps it in the runnig, but there is a lot of assymettry with the cut. I don't expect perfection for a non-super ideal, but these ares are pretty wonky.

dealsaholic000 said:
Got it. Thanks. Any thoughts on the idealscope/ASET images of this one?
http://www.b2cjewels.com/dd/9677359/1-10-carat-round-diamond-f-color-vs1-clarity

I would not ditch this F VS1 based on the H&A and ASET alone.

First, these are computer generated.
Second, it is a bad scan. The diamond is tilted.
Lastly, Some of features you see in the ASET such as digging or painting and leakage under thr table are less pronounced in the first actual photo.

dealsaholic000 · Aug 28, 2017

Thanks. I just went to a b&m store this past week, We definitely could see color in the H. The G if examined very carefully could see just a tint but I'm wondering if that's because the diamonds were side by side. Preference would be an F but could settle for a G.

Looks like the original b2c diamond got sold anyways. Reading more about asets though, doesn't look like there was a lot of contrast I think. I'm meeting up with usa certed today. Will post an update.

dealsaholic000 · Aug 29, 2017

Met up with USA certed. Any thoughts on the diamond below? Price wise it falls into my budget. The hca score looks good. The video of the diamond looks good and it is an E color which is an added bonus. My only gripe here is the 33 degree crown angle. From what I can tell, that basically excludes the diamond from a hearts & arrow pattern and it will be on the border line of BIC and TIC.

I'm really debating pulling the trigger here (I will get a ideal scope image before finalizing the purchase). I could definitely use some advice on whether I should be concerned about the crown angle.

https://www.gia.edu/report-check?reportno=7261659047
https://www.pricescope.com/tools/hca

dealsaholic000 · Aug 30, 2017

Bump could use some help. Price is around $7300 USD.

rockysalamander · Aug 30, 2017

GIA report check is down, so I suspect you may be getting some silence as we can't see the report. Can you upload it? From what you've posted, all we know is that it is and E with a 33 degree crown angle for $7300.

Based on the video, it is very clean and and bright, although it is tilted downward so I can't get the face in complete view,but it looks like there may be obstruction under the table.

Here's the best screen captures I could manage.

dealsaholic000 · Aug 30, 2017

Thanks for the quick response! Yea i agree the GIA report is down for me as well which is weird. Here are the measurements I recorded from last night. What's obstruction under the table?

Size Color Clar Price GIA Cert # Fluor Meas Depth Table Crown Pav Notes

1.13 E VS2 7325 7261659047 N 6.72-7.77x4.06 60.2 59 33 40.8 HCA TIC 1.1

dealsaholic000 · Aug 30, 2017

I'm think I've narrowed it down to 3 diamonds:

Size Color Clar Price GIA Cert # Fluor Meas Depth Table Crown Pav Notes

1.14 F VS2 7206 6245961900 N 6.7-6.73x4.14 61.6 55 34 40.6 HCA TIC 0.7
1.13 E VS2 7325 7261659047 N 6.72-7.77x4.06 60.2 59 33 40.8 HCA TIC 1.1
1.16 E VS2 7405 4163080606 Faint 6.77-6.82x4.11 60.5 59 33.5 40.8 HCA TIC 1.4

The first diamond has the best crown angle but has a black spot as can be seen here:

The second diamond looks really clean, but has the 33 degree crown angle:

I'll upload a video for the last diamond shortly. Anyone have any thoughts so far though?

dealsaholic000 · Aug 30, 2017

Any thoughts so far. Still haven't received the video On the 3rd diamond.

dealsaholic000 · Aug 30, 2017

Here's the third one: i'm really struggling between the 2nd and 3rd diamond and have to decide in the next 30 minutes or so.

https://www.dropbox.com/s/prp4f5yjit69jtn/GIA-13349.html?dl=0

dealsaholic000 · Aug 30, 2017

I ended up being able to finagle an ideal scope on both diamonds. Will post an update.

dealsaholic000 · Aug 30, 2017

Also the original GIA report link for the 3rd diamond was wrong. Here it is:
https://www.gia.edu/report-check?reportno=5263080606

rockysalamander · Aug 31, 2017

GIA 6245961900, Diamond #1. For me, the clarity would be an issue with dark inclusions right in the middle of the table. But, this may not bother you.

Both of these will be 60/60 diamonds. They will return more white light than fire.
GIA 7261659047, Diamond #2. is also going to be a 60/60 diamond. No plot online to review. For a 60/60, this would be a Very Good combination (not Excellent).

GIA 4163080606, Diamond #3. Plot looks good. Faint Flour on an E color should be slightly discount. This would be an Excellent combo for 60/60.

I can't see the third video via Dropbox. Can you post here? Can you post the IS images?

Read about 60/60 here. https://www.pricescope.com/wiki/diamonds/60-60-proportioned-diamond & http://www.briangavindiamonds.com/news/an-ideal-cut-diamond-for-every-preference/

Two additional options that will have solid performance and lean to fire over white light.
https://www.whiteflash.com/loose-diamonds/round-cut-loose-diamond-3793582.htm {$7951, 6.49 mm}
http://www.briangavindiamonds.com/d...1.020-g-vs2-round-diamond-ags-bl-104094705056 {$7915, 6.45 MM}

dealsaholic000 · Aug 31, 2017

Thanks for the link. Been spending the last half hour or being able to host the image. It's an HTML file so kind of a pain but I think this link here works:

https://dealsaholic0000.updog.co/

I'm still waiting on the ideal scope images.

dealsaholic000 · Aug 31, 2017

This is the table that you're referring to as well right?

https://agslab.com/docs/pbcg/AGSLProportionCharts.pdf

According to that table, Diamond 2 with a 33 degree crown angle with a 40.8 pavillion is excellent (just off of ideal)

Diamond 3 with a 33.5 crown angle with the 40.8 is in the ideal range. The only downside to that diamond appears to be the faint fluorescence. Otherwise that diamond is bigger and has a more ideal crown angle. Price wise they're pretty similar ~$200 more for diamond 3.

For me, I think it'll come down to the ideal scope images. Appreciate all the feedback on this thread especially from rockysalamander!

rockysalamander · Aug 31, 2017

dealsaholic000 said:
Thanks for the link. Been spending the last half hour or being able to host the image. It's an HTML file so kind of a pain but I think this link here works:

https://dealsaholic0000.updog.co/

I'm still waiting on the ideal scope images.

Sigh. Apparently you are a "known dangerous site" and our firewall won't let me visit. Maybe another PSer can look. @SimoneDi @diamondseeker2006 @tyty333 @ac117 @flyingpig

Diamond 2, yup. You are right. I read off the 60% table not 59 %. That combo would be excellent.
Since technology is not our friend, I've pasted the specs below.

CURRENT STATUS
#2 1.13 E VS2 7325 7261659047 N 6.72-7.77x4.06 60.2 59 33 40.8 HCA TIC 1.1 {$7300}
video above in Post #10. Clarity plot has more going on, but does not seem to be visible in video. Waiting on IS.

#3 1.16 E VS2 7405 5263080606 Faint 6.77-6.82x4.11 60.5 59 33.5 40.8 HCA TIC 1.4 (~$7500}
I can't see video. Clean clarity plot. Waiting on IS.

GIA Diamond #2

GIA #3

SimoneDi · Aug 31, 2017

@rockysalamander I was able to open the link.. large table, skinny arrows, flat-ish top, not my favorite.. I don't even know the stats, by can take a look later. It looks warmer than E color to me, but it could be just the video.

flyingpig · Aug 31, 2017

SimoneDi said:
@rockysalamander I was able to open the link.. large table, skinny arrows, flat-ish top, not my favorite.. I don't even know the stats, by can take a look later. It looks warmer than E color to me, but it could be just the video.

.
https://dealsaholic0000.updog.co/
The video belongs to which stone?

SimoneDi · Aug 31, 2017

flyingpig said:
.
https://dealsaholic0000.updog.co/
The video belongs to which stone?

(Shrugs) not sure, I just viewed it.. OP can you please tell us which is the matching certificate?

rockysalamander · Aug 31, 2017

#3 is the video you two can see and I can't

flyingpig · Aug 31, 2017

large table reflection and extra contrast between the shafts..
Not characteristics of 59/33.5/40.8 (#3). Wrong video.

rockysalamander · Aug 31, 2017

flyingpig said:
large table reflection and extra contrast between the shafts..
Not characteristics of 59/33.5/40.8 (#3). Wrong video.

Maybe the OP can clarify. I pulled everyone out of the thread into a single post to try and make things easier. I think he's been fighting technology all day...

dealsaholic000 · Aug 31, 2017

Thanks everyone for the help.

Diamond #1 is the the first YouTube video (slideshow) with the black spots in the second photo.

Diamond #2 the second YouTube video

Diamond #3 is
https://dealsaholic0000.updog.co/

At least that's what was sent to me. Still waiting on the ideal scopes

dealsaholic000 · Aug 31, 2017

Wondering what other ways there are of hosting an HTML video. I'll try doing some more work on it and see if I can post something

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