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Advice on buying a Hearts on Fire Diamond

jcg

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Hi guys, I'm about to buy a Hearts on Fire diamond wedding ring that is 1.54 Carats, D Color and SI1 Clarity. What do you thinks about that? Any advice?

They are telling me I'm getting a pretty good deal, what should be the range $$ of this diamond on the market so I can compare?l and I have to decide by tomorrow

Thanks!
 

yssie

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what's the price?

compared to branded stones from online vendors it's probably pretty steep - can look at whiteflash ACAs, Good Old Gold signature H&As, Brian Gavin Diamonds signature H&As, Crafted by Infinity H&As for an idea
 

Dancing Fire

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HoF are well made stones but probably sell for 25% premium over other H&A stones.
 

diamondseeker2006

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Yes, I would highly advise you to reconsider that transaction. You can get totally equivalent hearts and arrows cut stones for far less than Hearts on Fire brand. When I looked, they were more like 30% more.

I couldn't find a 1.54 D SI1 in stock, but here are a few top quality hearts and arrows stones to compare:

http://www.whiteflash.com/loose-diamonds/round-cut-loose-diamond-2517105.htm

http://www.briangavindiamonds.com/diamond/diamond-detail/?product_id=AGS-1040383970003

http://www.briangavindiamonds.com/diamond/diamond-detail/?product_id=AGS-104051364009 (ask if eyeclean)

http://www.briangavindiamonds.com/diamond/diamond-detail/?product_id=AGS-104051364008
 

txdiceman

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I am also looking at HOF diamonds and have questions as well. I was shown a HOF 1.204 carat with the below metrics which grades out nicely to a 0.8 on HCA.


Measurements: 6.84 - 6.86 x 4.20mm
AGS Grade:Ideal 0
Color Grade: 1.5 (G)
Clarity Grade:: AGS 5 (SI)

Cut: 0
Polish: Ideal
Symmetry: Ideal
Table: 56.0%
Depth: 61.3%
Crown Angle: 35%
Pavilion Angle: 40.6%
Culet: Pointed

It looked nice under the 10x scope and was selling for $13,105. Looking at both Whiteflash's and James Allen's branded hearts & arrows, the price seemed high. Here is one from WF ($13,226 w/ PS discount) that is a VS1 G http://www.whiteflash.com/loose-diamonds/round-cut-loose-diamond-2638941.htm

The salesperson said a G color was more important than the going with a VS clarity and I color. Is this correct? From researching,I have been primarily searching for H&A IDEAL VS1/VS2 H or I color. I was looking at this stone from WF. https://www.whiteflash.com/loose-diamonds/round-cut-loose-diamond-2631627.htm
 

thbmok

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An eye-clean non-cloudy/hazy SI stone looks visually similar to VS+ stones, given that everything else is the same.

The difference between G and I color is noticeable to most people, but whether one is preferable over another depends on personal preference.
 

diamondseeker2006

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txdiceman|1306364506|2930258 said:
I am also looking at HOF diamonds and have questions as well. I was shown a HOF 1.204 carat with the below metrics which grades out nicely to a 0.8 on HCA.


Measurements: 6.84 - 6.86 x 4.20mm
AGS Grade:Ideal 0
Color Grade: 1.5 (G)
Clarity Grade:: AGS 5 (SI)

Cut: 0
Polish: Ideal
Symmetry: Ideal
Table: 56.0%
Depth: 61.3%
Crown Angle: 35%
Pavilion Angle: 40.6%
Culet: Pointed

It looked nice under the 10x scope and was selling for $13,105. Looking at both Whiteflash's and James Allen's branded hearts & arrows, the price seemed high. Here is one from WF ($13,226 w/ PS discount) that is a VS1 G http://www.whiteflash.com/loose-diamonds/round-cut-loose-diamond-2638941.htm

The salesperson said a G color was more important than the going with a VS clarity and I color. Is this correct? From researching,I have been primarily searching for H&A IDEAL VS1/VS2 H or I color. I was looking at this stone from WF. https://www.whiteflash.com/loose-diamonds/round-cut-loose-diamond-2631627.htm
Let's just say that I'd rather have the G-H color and VS clarity by buying the WhiteFlash diamond over paying for the HoF brand and getting SI1. Color is more visible, unless you can see the inclusions! But I still prefer VS stones when possible. I did look at a HoF diamond once and it helped me to see what a well cut diamond looked like. But I ended up buying hearts and arrows stones from Good Old Gold and WhiteFlash, and since have had an old stone recut by Brian Gavin. Hearts on Fire is about as good as you can find in a local jewelry store, but there are equivalent brands out there for less money when you do a little research. And this is a great place to learn!
 

txdiceman

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Thanks for the replies. Great source of information and members willing to be help newbies!

Here are three more H & A options . Hope I am getting closer. By going with VS and G color,the Whiteflash ACA stone is approx 10% higher than James Allen. How does this JA stone #1 compare to WF stone #2? Unfortunately, I am in Texas and will have to pay taxes for WF. #3 being a VS2 and H, how does it compare?

Stone #1 http://www.jamesallen.com/diamonds/G-VS1-Ideal-Cut-Round-Diamond-1360508.asp

Carat weight: 1.21
Cut: Ideal (H&A)
Color: G
Clarity: VS1
Certificate: AGS
Depth: 62.0%
Table: 56.9%
Polish: Ideal
Symmetry: Ideal
Girdle: Thin to slightly thick
Culet: None
Fluorescence: Negligible
Measurements: 6.79x6.81x4.21
Crown Angle: 34.7
Crown %: 14.80
Pavilion Angle: 40.9
Pavilion %: 43.20

Stone #2 http://www.whiteflash.com/loose-diamonds/round-cut-loose-diamond-2564417.htm

Carat weight: 1.214
Cut: Ideal (Whiteflash ACA - H&A)
Color: G
Clarity: VS1
Certificate: AGS
Depth % 61.8
Table % 55.2
Polish: Ideal
Symmetry: Ideal
Girdle: Thin to Medium Faceted
Culet: None
Fluorescence: Negligible
Measurements: 6.84x6.87x4.23
Crown Angle: 34.7
Pavilion Angle: 40.7
Crown % 15.4
Lower Girdle % 78.0

Stone #3 http://www.whiteflash.com/loose-diamonds/round-cut-loose-diamond-2631628.htm

Carat weight: 1.237
Cut: Ideal (Whiteflash ACA- H&A)
Color: H
Clarity: VS2
Certificate: AGS
Depth % 61.7
Table % 55.5
Polish: Ideal
Symmetry: Ideal
Girdle: Thin to Medium Faceted
Culet: None
Fluorescence: Negligible
Measurements: 6.88x6.91x4.26
Crown Angle: 34.9
Pavilion Angle: 40.7
Crown % 15.4
Lower Girdle % 77.0
 

thbmok

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I hope jcg doesn't mind the thread hijack.

I think all three stones are going to look similar. Going by WF standards, the JA likely doesn't pass as a H&A. If you are color sensitive you may notice the difference between G and H. I suggest paying WF and BGD a visit if it's not too much of a drive.
 

OCgirl

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thbmok|1306385201|2930571 said:
I hope jcg doesn't mind the thread hijack.

I think all three stones are going to look similar. Going by WF standards, the JA likely doesn't pass as a H&A. If you are color sensitive you may notice the difference between G and H. I suggest paying WF and BGD a visit if it's not too much of a drive.
I agree with thbmok. If you are color sensitive you may notice the difference. I have a G colored stone and an H colored stone and I can tell the difference in color (it's not in ANY way significant though).

If you are considering an H colored stone, BGD has a few H&A ones in your price range.

For example:
1.21 carat H VS2 H&A ~$10k after PS discount http://www.briangavindiamonds.com/diamond/diamond-detail/?product_id=AGS-104050213007
 

txdiceman

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I appreciate all the advice so far. Sorry JCG. Did not mean to take over the thread you started!
 
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