About to buy - gimme your input plz on this 2ct RB!

[c-k]

How about these two?


http://www.briangavindiamonds.com/diamonds/diamond-details/2.153-h-vs2-round-diamond-ags-bl-104067041001#!prettyPhoto[gallery2]/3/

http://www.briangavindiamonds.com/diamonds/diamond-details/2.318-i-si1-round-diamond-ags-104063703002#!prettyPhoto[gallery2]/3/

Too expensive.

Can you comment about the posted stone such as how the ASET or idealscope look, how the hearts/arrows pics look, light performance, etc etc?

The 2.11 stone looks great...just make sure that the VS2 is to your comfort...I suspect you will not see those inclusions without a loupe, it is not a H & A's Super Ideal stone, but still a AGSL Ideal, will look beautiful.

 

[partners]

How about these two?


http://www.briangavindiamonds.com/diamonds/diamond-details/2.153-h-vs2-round-diamond-ags-bl-104067041001#!prettyPhoto[gallery2]/3/

http://www.briangavindiamonds.com/diamonds/diamond-details/2.318-i-si1-round-diamond-ags-104063703002#!prettyPhoto[gallery2]/3/

Too expensive.

Can you comment about the posted stone such as how the ASET or idealscope look, how the hearts/arrows pics look, light performance, etc etc?

The 2.11 stone looks great...just make sure that the VS2 is to your comfort...I suspect you will not see those inclusions without a loupe, it is not a H & A's Super Ideal stone, but still a AGSL Ideal, will look beautiful.

Thanks c-k! Decent value no?

Anyone else with any more comments before I commit? Thanks.

 

[mrs-b]

Partners, that 2ct H VS2 GIA triple ex is a terrific stone. it's stats were great and i also thought its picture was far prettier than the 2.11 H VS2 stone you posted. it's also a REALLY good price.

That's the one I'd take.

 

[Laila619]

Any of these diamonds will be beautiful IMO. The first and last options are AGS000 so I'd go with one of those if you want one that's guaranteed to be sparkly and bright.

 

[partners]

Partners, that 2ct H VS2 GIA triple ex is a terrific stone. it's stats were great and i also thought its picture was far prettier than the 2.11 H VS2 stone you posted. it's also a REALLY good price.

That's the one I'd take.

O man - now you got me thinking!

I like that one too, but I don't have any other info on it besides the Gia report and the pic of it.
Price is a little cheaper than the ags 000 2.111, but if I send it to get independently appraised then the price difference disappears. I am not sure if it is a wise decision to get it without knowing its optical/light performance. Agreed? Or it just blows the ags 2.111 out of the water and I should get it anyway?

It def would be more of a hassle!

 

[partners]

Any of these diamonds will be beautiful IMO. The first and last options are AGS000 so I'd go with one of those if you want one that's guaranteed to be sparkly and bright.

Yes I was thinking that....

The GIA 3x stone does look appealing as well, but I don't have any more information on it besides the certificate and it's actual 40x picture. If I opt for the GIA, I would have to buy then have it shipped to an independent appraiser to evaluate its light performance. This adds some uncertainty because even though numbers look good, it may be a dud in terms of light performance. Is my train of thinking right? Or does this stone deserve the added hassle and the independent appraisal?


A little puzzled here as you can see!

 

[Laila619]

Any of these diamonds will be beautiful IMO. The first and last options are AGS000 so I'd go with one of those if you want one that's guaranteed to be sparkly and bright.

Yes I was thinking that....

The GIA 3x stone does look appealing as well, but I don't have any more information on it besides the certificate and it's actual 40x picture. If I opt for the GIA, I would have to buy then have it shipped to an independent appraiser to evaluate its light performance. This adds some uncertainty because even though numbers look good, it may be a dud in terms of light performance. Is my train of thinking right? Or does this stone deserve the added hassle and the independent appraisal?


A little puzzled here as you can see!

Yes, the AGS000s are the safer bets. They're "pre-vetted" so to speak.

 

[partners]

Thanks guys for all the input.

Some not so good news - talked to the vendor today and he stated the 2.011 AGS 000 is not the greatest stone. According to him, the stone, if graded by GIA, would likley be an I and SI1 or even SI2. He said that he would not recommend this stone and that he would rather me see get something that is better. He stated that numbers and papers do not tell the whole story, and this was a prime example.

I did read somewhere else that AGS coloring is a bit laxed, so I guess the above is true. Anyways, it sucked to hear that after I was so close to pulling the trigger!


BUT, he stated he has something that is a much better stone - something he said would qualify for the WF ACA.
Furthermore, he said the price point on that stone is actually less than the 2.011 AGS 000 and the spread is the same size!
It is a 2ct AGS 000 h/si1, eye clean. He also stated that is an awesome stone and, if graded by GIA, would maybe even come up as a VS2, because the inclusions are all to the side.

AGS report for the newest AGS000 2ct h/si1: http://www.agslab.com/pdf_sync_reports/104068282006-PLDQR.PDF

What do you guys think? How does this compare to the others? Would this qualify for the WF ACA stones?

 

[teobdl]

Lower girdle facets are longer than WF ACA, which tend to be about 77. The arrows of this will be thinner, and the facets look a little more splintery. The LGFs are very critical to getting the right look and tuning the diamond. But it's not going to affect it as much as having a pavilion angle or crown angle off. Many beautiful diamonds have 80 LGF's, and Rhino at GOG sells them in his Hearts and Arrows line all the time. But no, I've never seen a ACA with 80 LGF, so it likely wouldn't make it. Still a very, very nice diamond though.

 

[partners]

Lower girdle facets are longer than WF ACA, which tend to be about 77. The arrows of this will be thinner, and the facets look a little more splintery. The LGFs are very critical to getting the right look and tuning the diamond. But it's not going to affect it as much as having a pavilion angle or crown angle off. Many beautiful diamonds have 80 LGF's, and Rhino at GOG sells them in his Hearts and Arrows line all the time. But no, I've never seen a ACA with 80 LGF, so it likely wouldn't make it. Still a very, very nice diamond though.

thanks T for chiming in.
I will get more info about the stone shortly.



any thoughts on this versus the competition?

AGS 000 2.111 H/VS2 Report: http://www.agslab.com/pdf_sync_reports/104069729002-PLDQR.PDF
AGS 000 2.010 carat H/Si1. Report : http://www.agslab.com/pdf_sync_reports/104054978004-PLDQR.PDF
the Alternative 1 - GIA 3x/2.00-Ct H/VS2- pics and info in thread

 

[Gypsy]

Thanks guys for all the input.

Some not so good news - talked to the vendor today and he stated the 2.011 AGS 000 is not the greatest stone. According to him, the stone, if graded by GIA, would likley be an I and SI1 or even SI2. He said that he would not recommend this stone and that he would rather me see get something that is better. He stated that numbers and papers do not tell the whole story, and this was a prime example.

I did read somewhere else that AGS coloring is a bit laxed, so I guess the above is true. Anyways, it sucked to hear that after I was so close to pulling the trigger!


BUT, he stated he has something that is a much better stone - something he said would qualify for the WF ACA.
Furthermore, he said the price point on that stone is actually less than the 2.011 AGS 000 and the spread is the same size!
It is a 2ct AGS 000 h/si1, eye clean. He also stated that is an awesome stone and, if graded by GIA, would maybe even come up as a VS2, because the inclusions are all to the side.

AGS report for the newest AGS000 2ct h/si1: http://www.agslab.com/pdf_sync_reports/104068282006-PLDQR.PDF

What do you guys think? How does this compare to the others? Would this qualify for the WF ACA stones?

Wait, let me get this straight.

WHO is saying the particular stone you are talking about is graded loosely? The vendor who actually has the stone in hand?

Because if the vendor making these claims does not have possession of the stone then all he is doing is lying and scaring you. AND IT HAPPENS OFTEN. Because they want the sale and will do ANYTHING to get it.

Yes, on very rare occasion AGS stone have come back ONE grade higher from GIA. But it is VERY rare. There is a reason why AGS trades at a HIGHER mark up than GIA. And it's not because they are inferior in anyway (they would trade at a discount in that case).

Now, if this is the vendor HOLDING the stone in hand and they say they have compared the ACTUAL STONE to a GIA master set and in their opinion it is graded loosely. Then that is different.

 

[c-k]

Thanks guys for all the input.

Some not so good news - talked to the vendor today and he stated the 2.011 AGS 000 is not the greatest stone. According to him, the stone, if graded by GIA, would likley be an I and SI1 or even SI2. He said that he would not recommend this stone and that he would rather me see get something that is better. He stated that numbers and papers do not tell the whole story, and this was a prime example.

I did read somewhere else that AGS coloring is a bit laxed, so I guess the above is true. Anyways, it sucked to hear that after I was so close to pulling the trigger!

Your vendor is not telling you the truth, NO-- AGSL does not grade softer in either color or clarity, it is a 'I heard it from my neighbor, who heard it from his brother's 3rd cousin's uncle's 2nd wife, who heard it from....' and there are vendors everywhere that will tell you anything.

The fact is AGSL has by far the most strict cut grading in the industry, and such stones are a premium to get an AGSL Ideal cut. Likely the vendor will make far more selling you a run of the mill GIA stone. It does not matter to me which stone you pick, but it should matter to you. Get one that is the best cut you can find, match it with a color, clarity and size that you are comfortable with, you will never look back.

 

[partners]

Thanks guys for all the input.

Some not so good news - talked to the vendor today and he stated the 2.011 AGS 000 is not the greatest stone. According to him, the stone, if graded by GIA, would likley be an I and SI1 or even SI2. He said that he would not recommend this stone and that he would rather me see get something that is better. He stated that numbers and papers do not tell the whole story, and this was a prime example.

I did read somewhere else that AGS coloring is a bit laxed, so I guess the above is true. Anyways, it sucked to hear that after I was so close to pulling the trigger!


BUT, he stated he has something that is a much better stone - something he said would qualify for the WF ACA.
Furthermore, he said the price point on that stone is actually less than the 2.011 AGS 000 and the spread is the same size!
It is a 2ct AGS 000 h/si1, eye clean. He also stated that is an awesome stone and, if graded by GIA, would maybe even come up as a VS2, because the inclusions are all to the side.

AGS report for the newest AGS000 2ct h/si1: http://www.agslab.com/pdf_sync_reports/104068282006-PLDQR.PDF

What do you guys think? How does this compare to the others? Would this qualify for the WF ACA stones?

Wait, let me get this straight.

WHO is saying the particular stone you are talking about is graded loosely? The vendor who actually has the stone in hand?

Because if the vendor making these claims does not have possession of the stone then all he is doing is lying and scaring you. AND IT HAPPENS OFTEN. Because they want the sale and will do ANYTHING to get it.

Yes, on very rare occasion AGS stone have come back ONE grade higher from GIA. But it is VERY rare. There is a reason why AGS trades at a HIGHER mark up than GIA. And it's not because they are inferior in anyway (they would trade at a discount in that case).

Now, if this is the vendor HOLDING the stone in hand and they say they have compared the ACTUAL STONE to a GIA master set and in their opinion it is graded loosely. Then that is different.

Yes it is the same vendor.
He stated he had the stone in his possession at his shop and, after examining it, he was not impressed at all. He said it was a good stone, but he would not give it to his wife. He also said there is a reason the stone was priced so low. I thought that was kinda strange since he informed me about this particular stone in the first place. I am guessing he compared to a master GIA set, but who really knows...

Should I poke some-more and ask to see the stone in person? I am not sure what he has to loose, bc the stone he is now recommending is cheaper...

 

[partners]

Thanks guys for all the input.

Some not so good news - talked to the vendor today and he stated the 2.011 AGS 000 is not the greatest stone. According to him, the stone, if graded by GIA, would likley be an I and SI1 or even SI2. He said that he would not recommend this stone and that he would rather me see get something that is better. He stated that numbers and papers do not tell the whole story, and this was a prime example.

I did read somewhere else that AGS coloring is a bit laxed, so I guess the above is true. Anyways, it sucked to hear that after I was so close to pulling the trigger!

Your vendor is not telling you the truth, NO-- AGSL does not grade softer in either color or clarity, it is a 'I heard it from my neighbor, who heard it from his brother's 3rd cousin's uncle's 2nd wife, who heard it from....' and there are vendors everywhere that will tell you anything.

The fact is AGSL has by far the most strict cut grading in the industry, and such stones are a premium to get an AGSL Ideal cut. Likely the vendor will make far more selling you a run of the mill GIA stone. It does not matter to me which stone you pick, but it should matter to you. Get one that is the best cut you can find, match it with a color, clarity and size that you are comfortable with, you will never look back.

I hear ya loud and clear.
I am just gonna try to get as much info as possible about each of the stones he recommends and then post here to get some unbiased input. The stone he is recommending I posted about earlier. It is also an AGS 000. He will send more info tomorrow.

This diamond thing gets more and more puzzling!

 

[c-k]

...

What do you guys think? How does this compare to the others? Would this qualify for the WF ACA stones?

NO it would not qualify, Whiteflash has very specific guidelines & specifications as to which AGSL Ideal cuts make their ACA...

The stone your vendor is recommending my very well be a beauty, it is a AGSL Ideal cut, but not a Super Ideal as would be ACA.

Can you see any of these stones in person? That would be by far the best way and compare...if not I would pick what I thought the best 2 or 3, have them sent and compare...I know a lot of money, need to trust your vendor, some will put a hold on your credit card until you make the return, I am not sure. I guess you could pick the one that makes the most sense to you, if it is what you wanted & expected, job done...it is a hard one.

My choice of all that you have mentioned would still be the 2.11

 

[Bailey_Lou]

I wouldn't recommend the 2.011 h vs2 either. There are multiple inclusions on the table and the hearts are ugly. For a large purchase such as this I really agree with others that the extra $1500 for Whiteflash or BGD is worth it. Just because a diamond is GIA Xxx or AGS000 does not automatically mean that it will be beautiful. Use the hca as a selection tool and then look at the assets and IS. I then follow this up with a look at the symmetry by lastly looking at the hearts/arrows. WF and BGD will provide the ASET and IS images to further narrow down your search. In this case quality does equal the price and you will learn that as you gather more diamond knowledge. I would definitely listen to Yssie and dancingfire as they have TONS of experience. Below is a cheat sheet that could help you but it is for round brilliants. Good luck!


Cheat Sheet for Round Brilliants:
Table of 54-57
Depth of 60-62.
Crown angle of 34-35.5
Pavilion angle of 40.6-41