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  1. adgrande
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    by adgrande » Feb 7, 2002
    All,

    Okay, I've done my due-diligence... shopped, compared, asked, and educated myself. Lastly, I seek the valued guidance of others. I have greatly enjoyed reading this board, and hope you all can offer opinions before I take the leap.

    Here's the stone:

    H&A, AGLAIA, EGL Certified
    Polish, Symmetry, Proportions: EGL Ideal (dated 12/4/01)
    1.53 / E / VS1
    Measured: 7.43 x 7.38 x 4.57 mm
    Flourescence: None
    Depth: 61.7%
    Table: 56%
    Crown Height: 15%
    Pavil Depth: 43%
    Culet: None
    Girdle Thickness: Medium, faceted
    Cut Advisor: .8 - Excellent
    Graining: Nil
    Price: $16,200

    My concern remains about the EGL Cert not being as accurate as others? Still true?

    This diamond hurts to look at, burned my eyes. I could barely find the inclusion, even with a 10x, and had to look very hard.

    Also, I am working with a small, trusted local jeweler. What kind of negotiating should I expect?

    Looking forward to your advice.
    Dean
     
    


    


  2. moediamond
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    by moediamond » Feb 7, 2002
    HI Dean,

    Hate to burst your bubble, but you are not getting a great price.
    This diamond is priced at "Full RapSheet".
    $10,500 per carat is the current E VS1 1.50-1.99 price. :-o

    Although, cut wise, it is a beautiful looking stone.
    You can get AGS certified Ideal H&A for around $15K

    If this stone scored a 0.1 and had an AGS cert on it, then it might be worth full rap price.
    :read:
     
  3. adgrande
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    by adgrande » Feb 7, 2002
    You are not bursting my bubble at all! I collect information, it's one of my hobbies.... Thank you for your input!

    Dean
     
  4. pricescope
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    by pricescope » Feb 7, 2002
    Adgrande,

    I compared the price with other branded ideal H&A in the internet like A Cut Above and SuperbCert and was surprised to see your price is not bad for this kind of stone (considering package, personal service, etc.)

    Now it's a matter of accuracy of EGL report. Yes, EGL report is considered less consistent than AGS or GIA in the trade hence EGL certed diamonds cost less.

    You might want to verify the accuracy of the grading independently or send stone to GIA or AGS. Later will cost you (or your vendor) some $200 but might be worth it because if clarity and/or color one grade off the price will be a bit too high.
     
    


    


  5. pricescope
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    by pricescope » Feb 7, 2002
    One more thing: Using average depth% for crown and pavilion from EGL report is useless - error is too big. You have to get accurate (not average) crown and pavilion angles to be more certain. However, I'm sure this Aglaia stone is very nice. :)
     
  6. Garry H (Cut Nut)
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    by Garry H (Cut Nut) » Feb 7, 2002
    You need to know that Moe sells diamonds and is not quite impartial (but is helpful).
    EGL from Israel is bad news, but the USA labs on high color high clarity stones are not as bad as they are on say I SI2 where you might assume J I1.
     
  7. Gil
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    by Gil » Feb 9, 2002
    I never heard about Aglaia having EGL certificates. Are you sure it is original?
    Probably the most important thing about Aglaia is that gives you a guarantee for the cut quality, color, clarity and size of the stone you buy. Even the most reputable Labs state clearly that their paper is not a warrantee or guarantee.
    Make sure the offered Aglaia has an original certificate of guarantee and authenticate it with the Aglaia web site.
     
  8. pricescope
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    by pricescope » Feb 9, 2002
    Good point Gil.

    they say each Aglaia diamond accompanied by AGS report.[/u]
     
  9. adgrande
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    by adgrande » Feb 10, 2002
    Thanks guys!

    I scanned the EGL cert, posted it here:

    http://64.226.184.174/index.htm

    Not sure what to think.. I'm still looking around, and will probably pass on this one.

    Dean
     
  10. Gil
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    by Gil » Feb 11, 2002
    Talk to the seller. If they tell you you have the guarantee I suggest you go for it. I don't think you will find any other diamond of this type of quality with a full guarantee for this price.
     
    


    


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