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60/60 or super ideal online?

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  1. Redsparrow
    Rough_Rock

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    by Redsparrow » May 17, 2019
    Hi Psers,

    I need advice, I have a B&M that is offering this GIA XXX 60/60 stone. HCA is 1.6. Would this be a wise choice compared to an ACA or HPD? Besides idesacope/ aset, how can I tell that it is super ideal?

    Also, I've been diamond searching for awhile... and the price of this diamond with bigger size 2.2 is comparable to a 2.05 of some online vendors.


    Cut Advisor Score 1.6
    Light Return:
    Excellent
    Fire:
    Very Good
    Scintillation:
    Very Good
    Spread:
    Very Good

    ROUND BRILLIANT
    Measurements
    8.38 - 8.42 x 5.07 mm
    Carat Weight
    2.21 carat
    Color Grade
    F
    Clarity Grade
    SI1
    Cut Grade
    Excellent
    PROPORTIONS
    Depth
    60.4 %
    Table
    60 %
    Crown Angle
    34.0°
    Crown Height
    13.5%
    Pavilion Angle
    40.8°
    Pavilion Depth
    43.0%
    Star Length
    50%
    Lower Half
    80%
    Girdle
    Medium to Slightly Thick, Faceted, 4.0%
    Culet
    None
    [​IMG]

    CLARITY CHARACTERISTICS
    Crystal, Cloud, Feather, Needle, Indented Natural


     
    


    


  2. MissGotRocks
    Super_Ideal_Rock

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    by MissGotRocks » May 17, 2019
    It could be a nice stone but it is not a super ideal cut stone. You are comparing two different cuts so not an apples to apples comparison.

    Can you get any idealscope or ASET images of the stone?
     
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  3. lovedogs
    Ideal_Rock

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    by lovedogs » May 17, 2019
    This. 60/60 isn't super ideal. If you want super ideal cut, stick with ACA/CBI, etc.
     
  4. OoohShiny
    Ideal_Rock

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    by OoohShiny » May 17, 2019
    If you are not sure what a SuperIdeal performs like, or if you would prefer it to a 60/60 stone, you could order a SuperIdeal that meets your preferred criteria and budget from one of the PS-recommended vendors and then take it to your local B&M to do a side-by-side comparison, safe in the knowledge that you would have an excellent Returns policy to use if you decide you prefer the local offering over the superideal.
     
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  5. Redsparrow
    Rough_Rock

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    by Redsparrow » May 17, 2019



    I could def try to request for one, the only photos i have are of the diamond plot which I am also not sure about regards to an indented natural

    Key To Symbols
    Crystal
    Cloud
    Feather
    Needle
    Indented Natural
    [​IMG]
     
  6. Victor Canera
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    Trade

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    by Victor Canera » May 17, 2019
    Hi Redsparrow,

    A 60/60 stone does have a different visual from a typical ideal cut. I definitely think you should take a look at the two types side by side before making a decision. At 2.2ct I think the difference would be noticeable to the naked eye. Typical super ideal stones have a different design strategy than 60/60 stones. Some major criteria like 54-58 Tables, 60-62 Depth specific Crown and Pavilion angles, Shallower Lower Girdle Facets, and other attributes (while making the facets work together in 3d space) is how us in the biz design our diamonds.

    Also, I wasn’t clear as to whether you’ve seen the diamond’s photos? I wouldn’t recommend purchasing a stone, especially an Si1 without taking a look at photos to see what the Si1 looks like. Keep in mind though that the plots almost always end up making the inclusions look worse than they are in real life. That plot could of a nice Si1 stone. Typically Si1s that have one large clarity setting inclusions are the ones to watch out for.

    If you go into this with all the relevant information, you’ll feel much better about your decision at the end of the day :)

    Good luck!
     
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  7. headlight
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    by headlight » May 17, 2019
    This stone could very well be in real life a great performer, we don't know. HOWEVER, with that said, I formerly owned a 60/60 type stone and I just did not care for the visual. I really, really did not like the look of the large table. You are already considering a 2 carat plus diamond. It will be large enough... you don't need to go for a large table just to squeak out a little more size because that will be at a cost of losing the colored light (fire).
     
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  8. kmoro
    Brilliant_Rock

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    by kmoro » May 17, 2019
    My initial reaction to your thread title was “that’s a no-brainer” but that’s not completely true, lol.

    Some people do prefer the white light return and spread of a 60/60 diamond and some can have excellent light performance. However, I would expect that most people prefer the performance of a super-ideal since they are likely to have more fire (coloured light return). No one can speak for you though, so it is excellent advice compare in person, if it’s possible.

    This article is obviously not from a neutral source, but it tells where the 60/60 idea came from:

    https://www.whiteflash.com/about-diamonds/diamond-education/60-60-diamonds-1503.htm
     
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  9. LLJsmom
    Ideal_Rock

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    by LLJsmom » May 17, 2019
    Such a personal decision. I would need to see both stones IRL and ideally would wear them both for a while to see which I prefer in daily life.
     
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  10. JT123
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    by JT123 » May 18, 2019
    Just got my 60/60, I’m in love. I actually returned a ACA H&A that I was a little underwhelmed with (it was still really pretty though ) 25BF65CC-2637-4EB3-9DC7-D9477A8DAD49.jpeg
     
    


    


  11. kmoro
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    by kmoro » May 18, 2019
    It is cool the way diamonds kind of “speak” to us personally ... I returned a 60/60 that I kind of loved, and the last ACA I had, I did not love at all ... and the ACA I have now, I absolutely adore, lol. That was how I realized what a disadvantage it is not to shop in person ... at the same time, I would have a hard time finding a diamond like the one I have now in any of the shops where I live.

    Again this is the take-away for the OP ... it’s all a matter of personal taste, given a good ASET image.
     
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  12. Redsparrow
    Rough_Rock

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    by Redsparrow » May 19, 2019

    What a beauty!! Do you mind sharing the specs of this?
     
  13. JT123
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    by JT123 » May 19, 2019
    I agree 100%!Living in Bay Area I'm fortunate I can visit PS worthy vendors where I can see diamonds IRL. I like @OoohShiny suggestion of buying the diamond online so he can compare it to the 60/60. :razz:
     
  14. JT123
    Shiny_Rock

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    by JT123 » May 19, 2019
    Sure, GIA triple ex 1.75 ,H color, SI,depth 60.9, table 60,fluorescene none, girdle med to slightly thick, crown angle 33%,pavilion angle 41.2%,cutlet none. Paid $12,920 at B&M (little bit of discount for paying all cash).
    Lots of sparkle/scintillation. I looked at sooo many diamonds and this was my favorite by far!
    Here's some info re 60/60 https://www.pricescope.com/wiki/diamonds/60-60-proportioned-diamond Good luck!!
     
  15. Redsparrow
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    by Redsparrow » May 19, 2019
    WOW that is a great find you have! Thank you for all that info n help :)
     
    


    



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