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4.36 ct. RB diamond......HELP, should I get it?

Well, I took the diamond back to the jeweler today and told him that it is a little too yellow for me, so he can send it back to the cutter. I can't believe I had it for 5 days. Thank god I did not loose it! I wasn't surprised that the salesman and owner were "gently" trying to persuade me to purchase it, especially considering that they had $9,000 profit built into the price! I decided that I should order a diamond or two online and really exhaust all of my options. I still think that the diamond I gave back today may be "the one." If a true GIA graded "I" does not look considerably whiter than the large 4.36 carat than I would rather go with size. Again, next to the AGS triple zero I color there was very little difference. If I do decide to still go with the 4.36 carat I will just order online and save myself $6,000.

I am looking at some diamonds on the website that someone on here suggested, www.usacerteddiamonds.com.. Does anyone know anything about this online vendor? There prices seem good on the EGL USA stones. I know that EGL USA is still not GIA, but if I expect it to be one off on color and clarity can it be a good purchase? There were many to choose from. I wish I could copy and past the links, but for some reason that doesn't work. What do you think about an EGL USA 4.02 carat I color, SI1, no fluorescence, ideal cut, hearts and arrows with a depth of 61.8% and a table of 56%? The independent appraiser I saw a couple of days ago recommended that I look at an I o J color with medium fluorescence. He said that the diamond will look like a G. What do you think of that? Will it only look whiter in the direct sunlight? Thanks again for everyone's help!
 
Andrea, if you do decide on the last stone, I think ethically the right thing to do is to take the online vendor pricing to your jeweler and ask if they will match the price before going elsewhere. You have used them to call in the stone, which costs money (not to mention their time helping you), and I think that is only fair.

I am surprised that after all this you'd still be looking at EGL stones. And even more surprised that you would state that you'd consider them 1 color grade off GIA??? How about 2 to 4?!!! (And probably 1 grade lower in clarity.)

Regarding fluorescence, yes, it is a plus in I and J color (GIA) stones. Let's say it may boost the color appearance by a grade.
 
I'm happy to hear that you were able to get it back without any issues :)

I know you said it was the warmth that turned you off to it but in RB (for me personally) unless they are ideal cut and SUPER warm I don't care much for them.

HOWEVER in antique stones-which have a ton of fire and personality of their own-the warmer the better.

I found this while hunting for you and I think it's worth a look. A 7 day return policy too :naughty:

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Vintage-Antique-GIA-Certified-4-56ct-SI1-Diamond-Platinum-Deco-Engagement-Ring-/360438613955?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item53ebd0c7c3



ETA: here is a link to a beautiful ring that was just custom made with a 4 carat OMC that is O/P in color just to show you that lower colors don't always mean less beautiful :mrgreen:
[URL='https://www.pricescope.com/forum/show-me-the-ring/4-09ct-omb-w-rdg-pink-diamond-double-halo-pics-video-t173010.html']https://www.pricescope.com/forum/show-me-the-ring/4-09ct-omb-w-rdg-pink-diamond-double-halo-pics-video-t173010.html[/URL]

Stone
[URL='https://www.pricescope.com/forum/rockytalky/my-jbeg-4-09ct-omc-at-last-t161402.html']https://www.pricescope.com/forum/rockytalky/my-jbeg-4-09ct-omc-at-last-t161402.html[/URL]
 
When I stated that EGL should be one color grade off from GIA, I was talking about EGL USA. The appraiser I met with, as well as what I have read online, says that EGL USA is very different from EGL International.

Before going to the store today to return the stone, I completely agreed about giving the jeweler a chance to earn my business. However, his behavior today really put me off. He put down GIA and said that they are too strict in their grading and they use students to do their grading. He is still trying to argue that the diamond is an I/J. He was also trying to convince me that $34,000 is a good price for that stone. Obviously, the diamond is an L and that is why it is priced on Abazias's website for $27,800. It is obvious that this jeweler takes EGL certified diamonds and takes advantage of the loose grading. I am just not sure I want to do business with someone that takes advantage of people like he would have me, if it not for my extensive research.
 
Okay, I can understand that. EGL USA can be closer to being accurate, but you'd have to have an appraisal to be sure it was only one grade and not two. It seems like shopping GIA would be a lot easier, though!
 
It's amazing that after all that she just went through, she still thinks that a "deal" could be had with EGL...

I mean how many more experts on this site have to recommend for you to bypass EGL before you start listening to them...
 
GlamMosher|1331719398|3148259 said:
vintagelover229|1331685819|3148078 said:
I found this while hunting for you and I think it's worth a look. A 7 day return policy too :naughty:

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Vintage-Antique-GIA-Certified-4-56ct-SI1-Diamond-Platinum-Deco-Engagement-Ring-/360438613955?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item53ebd0c7c3
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Damn, that is beautiful stone vintage! It is very reminiscent of ZL's! I wonder what it will go for? Still a day or so to go.
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You have no idea how tempted I am to buy it and turn it into a matching pendant... :naughty:
 
ZahraLeyla|1331721662|3148264 said:
You have no idea how tempted I am to buy it and turn it into a matching pendant... :naughty:
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Well, I think it would be just wrong if you didn't at least bid!
 
That vintage ring is so beautiful. I never really looked into vintage stones, but I'm so tempted to put a bid in.....if I won, I don't know how I would explain it to my husband!
 
sna77|1331696236|3148196 said:
It's amazing that after all that she just went through, she still thinks that a "deal" could be had with EGL... I mean how many more experts on this site have to recommend for you to bypass EGL before you start listening to them...
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It's amazing that after this entire thread you're still pushing your single-minded (some might say SNOBBY) agenda to someone who has different priorities than yourself. HOW can you take away that EGL is deal-killer from this thread? It's not the EGL stone she has a problem with. It's the JEWELER. Seemingly, from the "evidence" presented -- it is more difficult to find well-cut stones that the majority of people would find exceptional. But for the type of stone the OP is CLEARLY interested in -- EGL USA seems like a decent bet! If you knew a 4ct stone was going to come in as a EGL USA "H" or a GIA "L" -- where would you send it to get graded??? How many people are shopping for GIA "L"'s??? You are going to INCREASE YOUR ODDS of a sale by fudging a bit. The fact is that people SEE what they're BUYING. If labeling it an "H" makes it more mind-clean for them then what's the harm? That they can SAY it's an "H"? Even though an appraiser might say otherwise? Until there's one standard - people are going to do what's best for their own businesses. And buyers should do their own due diligence. Just as I don't expect car dealers to be looking out for my best value -- I don't expect jewelers to either.
 
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