2.05 G SI2 - Pls help me evaluate this diamond

rockysalamander · Jul 5, 2018

I love flour. But, you will only see it under very strong UV. Direct sunlight, nail salons and discos. Outdoors in direct light, it not really blue as much as greyish blue due to the diamond facets also all being triggered. Personally, I would not recommend giving up the upgrade policy for something I'll see so rarely.

I did look over at Brian Gavin, but there is nothing around 8 mm. That does not mean they can't get one for you, but then you are back to a custom cut and all the reasons @Wink @LaylaR's reasons for caution.

To me, the diamond they found you is a great deal and gets you into the CBI line with their amazing diamonds and policies. Maybe they can source you melee with flour for the setting or a wedding band? I've often dreamt of a diamond band with ever color of flour in the rainbow (and then I'd probably give myself skin cancer from the blacklight I'd carry around.

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SimoneDi · Jul 5, 2018

I agree very much with @rockysalamander. I would not advice going down the custom route if that would mean losing the upgrade and trade in policies.

If you really, really only want a diamond with strong or very strong blue flouro, then I would suggest contacting BGD and seeing if they can source some rough for you. Because they have a line with blue flouro diamonds, my guess would be that the upgrade policy will apply with them.

icy_jade · Jul 5, 2018

@rockysalamander @SimoneDi
Totally agree is not worth giving up the trade in and buy back. Ah well, no perfect situation I guess.

I picked the diamond btw (instead of being recommended one by them). Does it make a difference? I’m a bit more attached to it I guess.

I actually looked at BG Blue and the biggest in stock is around 1.5 Carats i think. But I wary of the trade in as you need to go up in 2 factors though I’m ok with the 95% trade in value.

Also dug around the others and the 2.9 carat whiteflash one is tempting tbh... so much bigger omg

https://www.bluenile.com/sg/diamond...AMONDS&track=viewDiamondDetails&action=newTab
https://www.whiteflash.com/loose-diamonds/round-cut-loose-diamond-3989344.htm

2.05 vs 2.9 comparison...

SimoneDi · Jul 5, 2018

The one form WF is virtual inventory. I would not buy an SI2 diamond sight unseen. Looking at the clarity plot, it appears that the stone has a lot of crystal inclusions under the table. That would be a huge no for me. Also, none of the WF upgrade policies apply to virtual inventory. I would personally not consider that stone.

The BN stone is pretty, nice proportions. I would ask for diamond evaluation to determine of the flouro has any negative impact.

Not too long ago, I had a chat with BGD regarding their Blue diamonds. At the time, they indicated that finding suitable clean rough has become more challenging. Perhaps that contributes to the lower inventory as well. However, if you inquire, I am sure that they might be able to find you rough to cut to order.

I also still very much like the 2.05 G SI2 by CBI.

sledge · Jul 5, 2018

Is BGD still running their 8% off code, DEFGH188? If so, this becomes a great deal and gets you into a VS2 clarity.

https://www.briangavindiamonds.com/...ls/2.013-h-vs2-round-diamond-ags-104050449012

What confuses me is your logic of the trade-in / upgrade / buyback policies don't matter and then they become an issue when you think you won't get them.

At the end of the day, it boils down to this -- you either need to buy a stone you can afford in the size and color you want that is EYE CLEAN (regardless what is written on the cert) or you need to adjust your expectations and/or budget. If you want a VS2+ stone then you will have to sacrifice color and/or carats.

Diamonds are a zero sum game meaning if you have a set budget then an increase in one of the C's means a decrease in one of the other C's. If you can't sacrifice any of the C's then you need to up your budget, or wait.

I am American, and I can be quite vocal as well. IMO, it's really no one's business what you paid, the color or clarity on the cert, etc. The only reason that is considered "acceptable behavior" is because people of previous generations have accepted it as such in your culture. If people judge you, your SO or your love for one another by the color, clarity or size of your diamond then I would have zero problems telling them they could go pound sand as they already clearly lack class and respect.

latte_espresso · Jul 5, 2018

sledge said:
Is BGD still running their 8% off code, DEFGH188? If so, this becomes a great deal and gets you into a VS2 clarity.

https://www.briangavindiamonds.com/...ls/2.013-h-vs2-round-diamond-ags-104050449012

What confuses me is your logic of the trade-in / upgrade / buyback policies don't matter and then they become an issue when you think you won't get them.

At the end of the day, it boils down to this -- you either need to buy a stone you can afford in the size and color you want that is EYE CLEAN (regardless what is written on the cert) or you need to adjust your expectations and/or budget. If you want a VS2+ stone then you will have to sacrifice color and/or carats.

Diamonds are a zero sum game meaning if you have a set budget then an increase in one of the C's means a decrease in one of the other C's. If you can't sacrifice any of the C's then you need to up your budget, or wait.

I am American, and I can be quite vocal as well. IMO, it's really no one's business what you paid, the color or clarity on the cert, etc. The only reason that is considered "acceptable behavior" is because people of previous generations have accepted it as such in your culture. If people judge you, your SO or your love for one another by the color, clarity or size of your diamond then I would have zero problems telling them they could go pound sand as they already clearly lack class and respect.

Hi @sledge,

I myself am American as well, however I grew up with relatively traditional Asian parents. As an American, I see your point about not caring about what others think or telling them to simply pound sand, however being raised as an Asian, that's not going to fly in the Asian culture.

Without going into politics and ethics, clearly Asian culture is very different from the Western culture in more ways than one. You need to understand that while certain things are not socially accepted in the U.S., it is considered a norm in Asia, and of course, this applies both ways.

Similar to IcyJade, I was very indecisive when I was selecting my diamond from @Wink. He can personally attest to it. I was looking for every single flaw that I can find (inclusion, size, date of reports, etc), to perhaps justify this large purchase is actually worth my hard earned money. To be fair, ~$20K is significant and can go a long way for something more tangible. I think she realizes that it's a zero sum game, from my understanding she was initially looking for a DEF diamond, and now she's down to G, and IF/VVS and now she's down to Si1. So, for coming down in clarity and color, she just wants to make sure that it'll be worth it, and I don't blame her for shooting out so many questions.

Best of luck to you @IcyJade. I went with HPD and purchased a H Si1, and hopefully can share photos with you sometime next week. My priority was in size, so I made sure I got the largest stone possible at a H+ color and eyeclean. Also, interestingly enough, resell value was very important to me, which is why I chose HPD. I never intend to sell it, but in the unlikely scenario that we were to lose our jobs (get into an accident), we would be able to sell it at a reasonable price. HPD has a great 80% lifetime buyback, which I hope never to use, but is great peace of mind.

sledge · Jul 5, 2018

Certainly no offense meant to you or @icy_jade. It just seems to me she is so worried about buying a diamond that makes others happy, and when it's her money it should make HER happy. I certainly understand how different cultures have different norms & expectations, but I still find this disappointing and frustrating because I feel she would go with this HPD stone if it wasn't for others opinions. Probably people that have opinions that isn't helping pay for the stone nonetheless.

I will say that HPD buy-back policy of 80% is probably better than any 3rd party resell value she or anyone else can REASONABLY hope to achieve. This isn't to say it's impossible to do better, but it would be unlikely.

Good luck @icy_jade. I truly hope you find what makes YOU happy and that can be culturally acceptable as well.

Lina Jade · Jul 5, 2018

icy_jade said:
So... I mentioned somewhere that I went to a local store and saw a strong blue fluorescence diamond and really liked it.

I liked it so much that:

1. I went again to look at more diamonds with different levels of fluorescence... The conclusion is I SUPER love strong fluor diamonds. Like the “omg it glows in the dark is that so cool (ok and kinda geeky too haha) or what”... it’s like a whole different dimension to diamonds... I even thought about installing UV lamp in my room so I can admire the diamond lol... Previously I used to think that fluorescence is bad, can be hazy etc etc so it was a bit of a surprise to me but hey I like what I like even if I feel geeky about it...

2. I asked HPD (ok actually is @LaylaR and she has been super patient with my many many questions) about

a) existing stock of diamonds with strong blue fluorescence (right now HPD only has medium blue ones)

b) customizing a stone with strong blue fluorescence

I have quoted what she wrote with her permission below as I think this is useful for peeps like me who like the fluorescence... but here is the cut to the chase version and you can read the longer explanation after that

“So while they will do a Cut to Order with SBR or VSBF for you, and the diamond would be branded as a Crafted by Infinity, it would not have the buyback or trade-in policies of a regular production diamond”.

So here I am, and still undecided. Is secret sauce enough when what I really want secret sauce with “extra”? But then the buy-back and trade-in is important as DSS could well set in in a few years so who knows when I will feel like I NEED a 2.5 or 3 carats and then what do I do with this one right? I’ve read enough DSS threads to know it’s real...

So yeah I haven’t decided because of this. FWIW, if there is no effect on the trade-in or buy-back, I would have gone ahead to custom a CBI with strong blue fluorescence.

And yes if you think you read about CBI diamonds with strong blue fluorescence before, they do exist and I read those threads recently during my “intensive research” about such diamonds. Read @LaylaR’s full explanation below on why they are no longer offered...

Here is also @Wink ‘s thoughts on strong blues from a few months back:
https://www.pricescope.com/communit...strong-blue-fluorescence.234184/#post-4214202

As explained by @LaylaR:
“In the mid-2000’s it was possible for Crafted by Infinity to buy blue-fluorescent rough from the supplier of a major luxury brand. They had pristine gem-quality rough butdidn’t use the fluorescent rough. It’s a different game altogether now. Gem-quality on the world stage has declined year after year. Clean rough is harder to find, period. This is partly due to long-standing mines reaching their limits and partly due to dirtier sources passing rough through India and China. And diamonds with hazy appearance and other undesirable traits have a higher probability of being present in a fluorescent stone making it harder to find clean rough that has fluorescence without a negative effect. This has resulted in the general trade becoming more negative about fluorescence (partially because GIA-grading of fluorescence has become extremely lenient), so the underlying value is eliminated as the price of rough increases and the pricing of fluorescent cut diamonds decreases.

With CBI as a brand representing underlying value, (please see here: https://www.hpdiamonds.com/en-us/education/education-pricing ) the bigger problem of value-retention is why the current Crafted by Infinity brand doesn’t include SBF or VSBF in their normal production. And the current HPD buyback and upgrade policies were established under the current brand proposition. So while they will do a Cut to Order with SBR or VSBF for you, and the diamond would be branded as a Crafted by Infinity, it would not have the buyback or trade-in policies of a regular production diamond.“

icy_jade said:
@rockysalamander @SimoneDi
Totally agree is not worth giving up the trade in and buy back. Ah well, no perfect situation I guess.

I picked the diamond btw (instead of being recommended one by them). Does it make a difference? I’m a bit more attached to it I guess.

I actually looked at BG Blue and the biggest in stock is around 1.5 Carats i think. But I wary of the trade in as you need to go up in 2 factors though I’m ok with the 95% trade in value.

Also dug around the others and the 2.9 carat whiteflash one is tempting tbh... so much bigger omg
https://www.bluenile.com/sg/diamond...AMONDS&track=viewDiamondDetails&action=newTab
https://www.whiteflash.com/loose-diamonds/round-cut-loose-diamond-3989344.htm

2.05 vs 2.9 comparison...

icy_jade said:
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icy_jade said:
Hey ok no hard feelings and I appreciate the good intent behind your posting... I was on the fence about updating because I still haven’t decided but @Candycane was also kind enough to share her experience so ha here I am back with my waffling story...

Lina Jade · Jul 5, 2018

icy_jade said:
Hey ok no hard feelings and I appreciate the good intent behind your posting... I was on the fence about updating because I still haven’t decided but @Candycane was also kind enough to share her experience so ha here I am back with my waffling story...

icy_jade said:
@rockysalamander @SimoneDi
Totally agree is not worth giving up the trade in and buy back. Ah well, no perfect situation I guess.

I picked the diamond btw (instead of being recommended one by them). Does it make a difference? I’m a bit more attached to it I guess.

I actually looked at BG Blue and the biggest in stock is around 1.5 Carats i think. But I wary of the trade in as you need to go up in 2 factors though I’m ok with the 95% trade in value.

Also dug around the others and the 2.9 carat whiteflash one is tempting tbh... so much bigger omg
https://www.bluenile.com/sg/diamond...AMONDS&track=viewDiamondDetails&action=newTab
https://www.whiteflash.com/loose-diamonds/round-cut-loose-diamond-3989344.htm

2.05 vs 2.9 comparison...

icy_jade said:
at

icy_jade said:
Hey ok no hard feelings and I appreciate the good intent behind your posting... I was on the fence about updating because I still haven’t decided but @Candycane was also kind enough to share her experience so ha here I am back with my waffling story...

Lina Jade · Jul 5, 2018

icy_jade said:
Hey ok no hard feelings and I appreciate the good intent behind your posting... I was on the fence about updating because I still haven’t decided but @Candycane was also kind enough to share her experience so ha here I am back with my waffling story...

icy_jade said:
@rockysalamander @SimoneDi
Totally agree is not worth giving up the trade in and buy back. Ah well, no perfect situation I guess.

I picked the diamond btw (instead of being recommended one by them). Does it make a difference? I’m a bit more attached to it I guess.

I actually looked at BG Blue and the biggest in stock is around 1.5 Carats i think. But I wary of the trade in as you need to go up in 2 factors though I’m ok with the 95% trade in value.

Also dug around the others and the 2.9 carat whiteflash one is tempting tbh... so much bigger omg
https://www.bluenile.com/sg/diamond...AMONDS&track=viewDiamondDetails&action=newTab
https://www.whiteflash.com/loose-diamonds/round-cut-loose-diamond-3989344.htm

2.05 vs 2.9 comparison...

icy_jade said:
at

icy_jade said:
Hey ok no hard feelings and I appreciate the good intent behind your posting... I was on the fence about updating because I still haven’t decided but @Candycane was also kind enough to share her experience so ha here I am back with my waffling story...

icy_jade · Jul 5, 2018

@sledge
Huh what?

Look I think you guys are confusing me and @Madsal

I don’t have the same problems re “face” that he has. I’m buying this for myself. So I find all this strong opinions about why should I care what others think kinda confusing. If I really cared then I really shouldn’t buy as I’ll need to wait for my husband to buy for me

And of course the policies matter else I would have jumped on the custom by now.

Lina Jade · Jul 5, 2018

icy_jade said:
@rockysalamander @SimoneDi
Totally agree is not worth giving up the trade in and buy back. Ah well, no perfect situation I guess.

I picked the diamond btw (instead of being recommended one by them). Does it make a difference? I’m a bit more attached to it I guess.

I actually looked at BG Blue and the biggest in stock is around 1.5 Carats i think. But I wary of the trade in as you need to go up in 2 factors though I’m ok with the 95% trade in value.

Also dug around the others and the 2.9 carat whiteflash one is tempting tbh... so much bigger omg
https://www.bluenile.com/sg/diamond...AMONDS&track=viewDiamondDetails&action=newTab
https://www.whiteflash.com/loose-diamonds/round-cut-loose-diamond-3989344.htm

2.05 vs 2.9 comparison...

icy_jade said:
at

icy_jade said:
Hey ok no hard feelings and I appreciate the good intent behind your posting... I was on the fence about updating because I still haven’t decided but @Candycane was also kind enough to share her experience so ha here I am back with my waffling story...

icy_jade · Jul 5, 2018

@Lina Jade Huh??

@SimoneDi I was poking around... just wanted to see the options on the table for fluor diamonds... agree re the inclusions plot which looks scary. It was just... big you know? 1 mm bigger...

Lina Jade · Jul 5, 2018

I noticed our jade bangle are similar. I've been trying to learn more about them. Can u pls. Help me? Thankyou

SimoneDi · Jul 5, 2018

icy_jade said:
@Lina Jade Huh??

@SimoneDi I was poking around... just wanted to see the options on the table for fluor diamonds... agree re the inclusions plot which looks scary. It was just... big you know? 1 mm bigger...

Got it, I still wouldn’t consider it without pics. If I were looking for an SI2 stone, I would pick something like this one: https://www.jamesallen.com/mobile/l...e-color-si2-clarity-excellent-cut-sku-5130687

Lina Jade · Jul 5, 2018

Lina Jade said:
I noticed our jade bangle are similar. I've been trying to learn more about them. Can u pls. Help me? Thankyou

icy_jade said:
@Lina Jade Huh??

@SimoneDi I was poking around... just wanted to see the options on the table for fluor diamonds... agree re the inclusions plot which looks scary. It was just... big you know? 1 mm bigger...

Lina Jade · Jul 5, 2018

Sorry, I'm new to this. I was trying to message you but didn't know where or how. But your profile picture caught my attention.

icy_jade · Jul 6, 2018

Lina Jade said:
I noticed our jade bangle are similar. I've been trying to learn more about them. Can u pls. Help me? Thankyou

Hi, there aren’t many threads but you can post in this thread (https://www.pricescope.com/community/threads/all-about-jade.203445/page-10) or create a new one in the colored stone forum and see if anyone can help:

I’ll suggest you post clearer pics including close-ups, mention any characteristics you observe in your bangle, how you got the bangle, any certificates or even how much it cost... all of which could help in identifying what you have.

WinkHPD · Jul 8, 2018

Lina Jade said:
Sorry, I'm new to this. I was trying to message you but didn't know where or how. But your profile picture caught my attention.

Lina,

There is no message function on Pricescope. It is not that you are not finding it, it is that there isn't one.

Wink

Lina Jade · Jul 9, 2018

Wink said:
Lina,

There is no message function on Pricescope. It is not that you are not finding it, it is that there isn't one.

Wink

Thankyou @Wink

Lina Jade · Jul 9, 2018

Can u assist me with information about my bangle? It was Givin from my grandfather a long time ago.
Thankyou

msop04 · Jul 9, 2018

Lina Jade said:
Can u assist me with information about my bangle? It was Givin from my grandfather a long time ago.
Thankyou

Hi, @Lina Jade! You can start a thread in the Colored Gems section of PS!

msop04 · Jul 9, 2018

Hi, @icy_jade! I've been following your thread, and I just wanted to say that I really love that SI2 from HPD... I mean, it is the PERFECT SI2. Can't wait to see what you decide!

icy_jade · Jul 9, 2018

msop04 said:
Hi, @icy_jade! I've been following your thread, and I just wanted to say that I really love that SI2 from HPD... I mean, it is the PERFECT SI2. Can't wait to see what you decide!

Working on the settings now!

msop04 · Jul 9, 2018

icy_jade said:
Working on the settings now!

AAAAHHHHHH!!! So did you decide on the HPD SI2??

icy_jade · Jul 9, 2018

Yes... if the setting isn’t too problematic I’ll return to do a SMTB

Fingers crossed...

sledge · Jul 9, 2018

icy_jade said:
Yes... if the setting isn’t too problematic I’ll return to do a SMTB

Fingers crossed...

Total sweetness. So happy for you. Can't wait to see the final product.

GolfingGreen · Jul 12, 2018

@icy_jade Hi! I saw this stone in real life today and it is beautiful. I was comparing sizes of stones and the SA brought this stone out to compare size. I did not realize it was your stone and then I recall a thread on this. The diamond sparkles like mad and has a lot of fire so I know you will love it!

CBI stones are truly beautiful, they do all have the same “look”. A beautiful combination of bright white light and fire.

Great choice and congrats to you!

icy_jade · Jul 12, 2018

Miki Moto said:
@icy_jade Hi! I saw this stone in real life today and it is beautiful. I was comparing sizes of stones and the SA brought this stone out to compare size. I did not realize it was your stone and then I recall a thread on this. The diamond sparkles like mad and has a lot of fire so I know you will love it!

CBI stones are truly beautiful, they do all have the same “look”. A beautiful combination of bright white light and fire.

Great choice and congrats to you!

Oh!!! Thanks! Did you notice any color tint or visible inclusions?

Also are you going for any CBI stones?

GolfingGreen · Jul 12, 2018

icy_jade said:
Oh!!! Thanks! Did you notice any color tint or visible inclusions?

Also are you going for any CBI stones?

I could see the twinning under a loupe but it looks great to the eye. The twinning is white so you cannot see it with the naked eye. Color was great also and you know my pet peeve about my H stone. I like Gs and this is a great stone. I can see the G and H difference for sure. Great choice on your G.

Yes, I will get CBI... I drank the Kool-aid. I am now deciding on size. I told hubby about the size and that I compared them... he said “I told you so”. Lol

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