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1.5 ct F VS2 Round Brillant Help!

effervescent11

effervescent11

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Hi everyone,

Just wondering what everyone thinks of this stone. The seller is asking for just under $13,500 USD. Should I worry about it being eye clean? I'm awaiting a video, but the black inclusion under the table worries me. The Aset and Ideal scope images look good to me and the HCA tool gave it a 1.1. It appears for the cut it is priced low compared to other ones I've seen. Is something wrong with it?Details.png B2CASet.jpg B2CArrows.jpg B2CHearts.jpg
 
It's got good ASET and IS imagery. But if you are expecting this stone to be the equivalent of a super-ideal stone from Whiteflash, Brian Gavin Diamonds, etc, it isn't (the hearts image says it all). Though you aren't paying as much. An equivalently specced stone on WF is around the USD16k mark.
 
bmfang said:
It's got good ASET and IS imagery. But if you are expecting this stone to be the equivalent of a super-ideal stone from Whiteflash, Brian Gavin Diamonds, etc, it isn't (the hearts image says it all). Though you aren't paying as much. An equivalently specced stone on WF is around the USD16k mark.
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I take it you mean this one: https://www.whiteflash.com/loose-diamonds/round-cut-loose-diamond-3172036.htm?

From my novice review, it seems the stone I picked out has better cutting and light performance? I'll preface that by saying this is my first diamond purchase, so I basically know nothing and would appreciate being set straight. :P2

If I may also ask, is there a visible difference in sparkle between a BGD or White Flash "super" ideal diamond and a regular ideal diamond? I only ask, because I don't want to pay thousands more for something I will barely notice.
 
bmfang said:
It's got good ASET and IS imagery. But if you are expecting this stone to be the equivalent of a super-ideal stone from Whiteflash, Brian Gavin Diamonds, etc, it isn't (the hearts image says it all). Though you aren't paying as much. An equivalently specced stone on WF is around the USD16k mark.
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I don't know if I agree. I think the ASET image has too much light coming from behind and it is making the whole thing look off. Hopefully, @flyingpig @tyty333 @diamondseeker2006 @gm89uk can be the tie breaker.
 
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Light performance wise, I think are getting a good buy with the stone you picked above. There seems to be an even saturation of red in both IS and ASET images (though the ASET image is very dark which is making me question if there is something the vendor is trying to hide, issue with backlighting?). ASET on the report looks good though.

The difference you are paying for with WF is likely to be due to their upgrade policy (your choice may have an upgrade policy that requires you to spend double the original price in order to upgrade). Cut wise, WF and other super-ideal vendors have stones that are cut much more precisely and you can see that in the hearts image. This stone has hearts that are touching the chevrons whereas you will not find that with a WF, BGD, CBI stone.
 
bmfang said:
It's got good ASET and IS imagery. But if you are expecting this stone to be the equivalent of a super-ideal stone from Whiteflash, Brian Gavin Diamonds, etc, it isn't (the hearts image says it all). Though you aren't paying as much. An equivalently specced stone on WF is around the USD16k mark.
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Please elaborate.
 
This is a very high quality ideal cut diamond. I think you did splendidly.
 
In my opinion the h&a image provided has the camera slightly off center (I'd you compare it to the other photos provided)

I do not see any reason you need to pay more for whiteflash or Brian Gavin. I know you asked if the thousands in price difference would make a visual difference and I can confidently say your diamond is high quality enough that even if there is a difference, it would be negligible.
 
I think the photos and video will help you decide about the inclusion. It says its a cloud, which better than if it was a black crystal. Its a VS2, so it should be eye-clean. Looking at the vendor photo, I suspect it will be great.
 

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I agree with Niel. The diamond is tilted in all these photos. It is important to note that H&A images are very hard to take perfectly. In regards to the dim lighting, NO, B2C is not trying to hide anything. Many vendors often use back lighting that is too strong. In fact, if B2C intended to hide anything, they would have used black background.

The price is low because B2C charges a 20% restocking fee when you trade-in.
 
Thank you everyone for the feedback. It makes my decision easier. I've spent so long searching. I'm glad it's finally over. :mrgreen2:

Niel said:
In my opinion the h&a image provided has the camera slightly off center (I'd you compare it to the other photos provided)

I do not see any reason you need to pay more for whiteflash or Brian Gavin. I know you asked if the thousands in price difference would make a visual difference and I can confidently say your diamond is high quality enough that even if there is a difference, it would be negligible.
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Thank you! I've been searching for weeks now and everyone keeps pointing me to "super" ideal cuts. I compared a Hearts on Fire the other day to a regular GIA triple ex stone of the same specs and I couldn't really tell a difference. I thought there may have been a slight difference in sparkle, but I think it was all mental as I was expecting the super ideal to blow me away. It was underwhelming in person.

flyingpig said:
I agree with Niel. The diamond is tilted in all these photos. It is important to note that H&A images are very hard to take perfectly. In regards to the dim lighting, NO, B2C is not trying to hide anything. Many vendors often use back lighting that is too strong. In fact, if B2C intended to hide anything, they would have used black background.

The price is low because B2C charges a 20% restocking fee when you trade-in.
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Thank you for clarifying. I was a bit concerned about that.

I don't mind the trade-in policies, I'd rather save money. I know some on here would think I'm crazy, but there's nothing to upgrade. :oops2: This diamond is already supposedly colourless and eye clean with good sparkle. The only thing left is size and I already think 1.5 ct is TOO big. :eek2: I wanted to get a 1 ct originally, but all the women in my life said I'd regret not going bigger. I tried on a 2ct once and it WAY too big. :mrgreen2:
 
Congrats on your new purchase @effervescent11!

For the light performance you are getting with this stone, the price you are paying for a 1.5 F VS2 is a steal compared to a WF, BGD or CBI stone. And if you aren't planning on upgrading, definitely better to pay less now in my books.

The inclusion while noticeable magnified should be all but imperceptible in normal viewing conditions.

Pics when you do receive it! :D
 
Love the cut on this diamond, looks great. This is not a purposefully cut H&A stone but an extremely well cut ideal cut stone. You aren't missing out on much (if any) visible performance deficits by not purchasing a superideal, when the cut is already this good. You are however getting a good price, even with the 'perfection' brand mark up.
 
I just realized I never posted the image of the diamond not that it matters too much. B2C has terrible stock photos.
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Late to the thread, but that is a beautifully cut diamond and one that I'd not hesitate to buy for myself!
 
diamondseeker2006 said:
Late to the thread, but that is a beautifully cut diamond and one that I'd not hesitate to buy for myself!
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Unrelated to this thread, but I just wanted to say your diamond is beautiful! Can I ask what cut it is? I've never seen it before.
 
Do think this a really good find! The cut looks good to me and would say this is comparable to a stone from a super ideal vendor. Looks eye clean too. Well done and please do come back to show us once it's set!
 
UPDATE! I got the video and it looks SCARY. B2C swears it's eye clean and you require a loupe to see anything. Thoughts?

 
Hmm maybe this is where the attractive pricing comes from. The issue here isn't that there in an inclusion but the black colour and the reflections throughout will make it look far worse than it is. I guess the question is could you live with it? Does it bother you?

Inclusions are not graded by color so there are VS2 or SI1/2s with white inclusions which would look better. The stone should be very sparkly which will help hide it too due to cut.
 
It looks like it could very well be eye clean to me. Keep in mind that a small black inclusion that you can see at 20x can be impossible to see at 1x. That said, is it "mind clean?" Maybe not. But are you willing to spend an extra 5K for the mind cleanness?
 
Is it eye-clean? Is it mind-clean? They are two different things lol

The inclusion will be a mere speck in a 7.3mm diamond, but it depends on whether it would bug you or not.

EDIT: Cross-posted with HDer lol
 
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It looks like it could very well be eye clean to me. Keep in mind that a small black inclusion that you can see at 20x can be impossible to see at 1x. That said, is it "mind clean?" Maybe not. But are you willing to spend an extra 5K for the mind cleanness?
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OoohShiny said:
Is it eye-clean? Is it mind-clean? They are two different things lol

The inclusion will be a mere speck in a 7.3mm diamond, but it depends on whether it would bug you or not.

EDIT: Cross-posted with HDer lol
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Mind clean is not an issue. It's eye clean that's my issue. The question is can I trust B2C with respect to their analysis of the diamond? I asked if they could see the inclusion, they said no. They guaranteed it was eye clean even if you held it up to your face. They said you require a loupe at 10x or maybe even 20x to see the inclusion.

Bottom line is, if I cannot see it with my naked eye, especially in a setting, I don't care. I'd rather save the $5,000 premium for mind clean. :mrgreen2:
 
BGD does something with their diamonds that I think is a good idea. Literally zoom out the video so that it's 2x or 4x the size it is in real life. If you can't spot the inclusion when it's 4x the real life size on your monitor you probably won't be able to find it in person either.
 
HDer said:
BGD does something with their diamonds that I think is a good idea. Literally zoom out the video so that it's 2x or 4x the size it is in real life. If you can't spot the inclusion when it's 4x the real life size on your monitor you probably won't be able to find it in person either.
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I screenshotted the video and resized it. Even at that size, the inclusion is gone. The last two images are pre-shrinking for reference.

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This will be like one or two dead pixels on your 1080p 21inch screen.
It is something you will be able to see without loupe if you try hard.
Under a normal condition, I think it will be eye clean.
 
flyingpig said:
This will be like one or two dead pixels on your 1080p 21inch screen.
It is something you will be able to see without loupe if you try hard.
Under a normal condition, I think it will be eye clean.
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It's very hard for me to imagine right now. If it's a tiny speck that I can barely see, I don't mind. The sparkle will be distracting me. I guess I have a hard time scaling down the impact of the speck.

Realistically, I'm not even concerned about seeing the inclusion, I'm concerned about the reflection of it. Do you guys see the back end of the diamond, when the inclusion is reflected like a fun house mirror and it looks like there are a dozen inclusions? That's what I'm worried I will see.

I can ask for additional videos and pictures. Any suggestions on what may help? Besides me going there physically. :cry2:
 
You'll be fine at normal viewing distances. It looks fine and when set, you are highly likely not to notice it from the side view (unless you are planning on keeping this stone as a loose diamond).
 
I called B2C and the rep assured me this was their "Perfection" line, so nothing can been seen without a loupe. I wired the money today. I guess we'll see by the end of the week. Fingers crossed! I'll post pics once I receive it.
 
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