1.04 Carats Diamond

[Lorelei]

Date: 10/7/2009 6:04:44 PM
Author: stitch
Update : I just stop by a local jeweler and he offers this stone for 7800

Color : F - 1.01 carats
Clarity : IF
Cut : Excellent
Depth%: 60.9
Table %: 59.9
Symmetry: EX
Cert:GIA
Polish: very good
Girdle:
Fluorescence: SB
Measurements: I don't remember

He shows me the GIA report, which is dated 2003. It has laser inscription which match the number on the diamond. This cert doesn't have the angles information. He says that old certs don't have this information. When I ask about the idealscope, he says he doesn't have one. However, he shows me the stone through some kind of magnification glass that has blue tube. When I look under it, it looks like star shapes that are beautiful. However I have no idea what I am looking at. He says that if I buy from him, he will offer a 90% buy back and 100% buy back for stone upgrade.

Is this reasonable price?

A GIA report which is pre early 2006 won't have the proportions or a cut grade so a Sarin or Helium scan is needed to get the proportions, an appraiser might be able to do this for you. Yes for a full GIA report it costs in the region of $150. It sounds like a h&a viewer he was using to show you the hearts.

As it is a trade in I would either want a new report from GIA or an independant appraisal performed on the diamond to check for damage etc.

appraiser tool.

 

[stitch]

Hi Lorelei,

I ask him to have the stone reappraised by GIA again. He told me that it will take at least 10 days. He is going to bring it to calasbas today.

 

[Lorelei]

Date: 10/8/2009 12:17:27 PM
Author: stitch
Hi Lorelei,

I ask him to have the stone reappraised by GIA again. He told me that it will take at least 10 days. He is going to bring it to calasbas today.

Ok that sounds fine, let us know what happens!

 

[stitch]

I also found a setting that I like. It is Rina Limor. I will post the setting when I have it completed, if the stone turns out to be good.

This setting is similar to item RG82310W on Rina Limor site-bridal section. http://rinalimor.com/#/gallery=65/

They offer it for 1K. It has 8 diamonds on each side. Is it too much?

 

[stitch]

Lorelei and Stone-Cold,

I am glad that I listen to your advices. Here is the result from GIA

Measurements: 6.47 - 6.53 x 3.97 mm

Carat Weight: 1.01 carat
Color Grade: F
Clarity Grade: VVS1
Cut Grade: Excellent

Proportions:
Depth: 61.1%
Table: 59%
Crown Angle: 34.5°
Crown Height: 14.0%
Pavilion Angle: 41.4°
Pavilion Depth: 44.0%
Star length: 60%
Lower Half: 80%
Girdle: Thin to Medium, Faceted (3.0%)
Culet: None

Finish:
Polish: Very Good
Symmetry: Excellent
Fluorescence: Strong Blue

Factor Grade
Light Return Good
Fire Fair
Scintillation Fair
Spread or diameter for weight Very Good
Total Visual Performance 5.1 - Good - Only if price is your main criterion

The diamond drops from IF clarity to VVS1

 

[stone-cold11]

ya, cut is not good.

Clarity wise, IF to VVS1 is a small drop, maybe the first time they miss it or it got nicked, but a large drop in price. Guess you are not going for it?

 

[stitch]

How much would a price drop be? Should I go for this or the 1.15 in this thread 1.15 Diamond ? Is there a noticable differences between 1.01 and that 1.15?

 

[stone-cold11]

diameter increases by 0.2mm. Cut is going to be much better. Definitely prefer the 1.15c from the numbers.

 

[Lorelei]

Date: 10/23/2009 12:09:17 PM
Author: stitch
How much would a price drop be? Should I go for this or the 1.15 in this thread 1.15 Diamond ? Is there a noticable differences between 1.01 and that 1.15?

That diamond could be a real contender stitch, I would not advise selecting the 1.01 above, it is not well cut.

 

[stitch]

I will check on the 1.15 again. Do you think faint blue can give a milky, cloudy, or oily problem?

 

[stone-cold11]

nope, you will never see it in day to day situation.

 

[stitch]

I just call to confirm and their price is around 9200. Is this reasonable price for the 1.15?

 

[Lorelei]

Date: 10/23/2009 12:36:53 PM
Author: stitch
I will check on the 1.15 again. Do you think faint blue can give a milky, cloudy, or oily problem?

No, it is very unlikely you will ever even notice the fluorescence anyway, nothing to worry about.

Price is fine also.

 

[stone-cold11]

yap, price is good.

 

[stitch]

Thanks Lorelei and stone-cold. I have them put the diamond on hold for me. I will have to talk to the local jewelry owner to get my deposit back. They told me they will beat any prices by a couple hudnreds. I wonder if they do the same thing for the 1.15

 

[stone-cold11]

What is the point of price match if they do not have a stone of the same proportion?

 

[stitch]

I was thinking the same thing too. They said that they can offer something similar

 

[stone-cold11]

Do you have the time and how long can the other vendor hold the stone for you is what you need to ask yourself.

 

[stitch]

I have another month. The online vendor told me that he will hold the rock until Monday

 

[stone-cold11]

When can the local vendor get back to you?

Is there are return policy from the online vendor?

 

[stitch]

I have to go to the local store and talk to them today. For the online vendor, I didn''t ask about their return policy. I found them through pricescope and they USA CErted. Have you heard of them ?

 

[stone-cold11]

Date: 10/23/2009 3:33:10 PM
Author: stitch
I have to go to the local store and talk to them today. For the online vendor, I didn''t ask about their return policy. I found them through pricescope and they USA CErted. Have you heard of them ?

Ya, Canadian based. Heard quite good reviews on here but their return period is short, only 7 days once you received the stones, none for mounted stones.

 

[stitch]

For the 1.01 F, I found out that it is downgraded because there is a chip in the girdle. The owner told me that he will cut the stone or touch up and send it GIA to obtain the IF status again. I told him that beside the fact that it has chip girdle, the stone doesn''t look on HCA, and I have to reject that stone. He looked piss off when I showed him the print out of the HCA result.

He told me that he never heard of HCA analysis

 

[stone-cold11]

ya common.

 

[Lorelei]

Date: 10/25/2009 12:47:10 AM
Author: stitch
For the 1.01 F, I found out that it is downgraded because there is a chip in the girdle. The owner told me that he will cut the stone or touch up and send it GIA to obtain the IF status again. I told him that beside the fact that it has chip girdle, the stone doesn''t look on HCA, and I have to reject that stone. He looked piss off when I showed him the print out of the HCA result.

He told me that he never heard of HCA analysis

There are lots of diamonds out there stitch, you will find the right one and this is often the response when the HCA is mentioned.