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0.90ct round- Choosing eye clean diamonds and other considerations

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Justin T

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Hi there,

Diamond newbie planning to buy online, and budget myself so that I can prepare for myself for what to look for IN PERSON when I go study at shops in the big city. Looking to spend ~4500USD max for a GIA-certified diamond (no band).

Cut: Excellent/Ideal (6.25mm face up size, probably 1:1 L:W ratio? -> this is what I read of, have not seen what this looks like with some variance). Cut quality is absolutely the most important thing to me.

Color: H-I (no yellow/brown tinge at all for me. This can only be for sure if seen in person?)

Clarity: SI1 (hopefully won't matter at carat size and focusing on eye clean)

I understand that crown and pavillion angles are opposing, but how do we select for table and depth? I had T: 57-60, and D: 59.5-61.5, C:33-35.5, P:40.3-41.2. So far I am only using Holloway Cut Adviser for light return, fire, scintillation, spread. Can't I just prefer them all if it is <2? :P. I don't know which of these 4 things is important to her.

Other considerations:
1) I hate the idea of having a milky diamond so preferably medium fluorescence at the most? Most have been "none"
2) Placement of inclusions (right at the top of the face is bad?) , what should I look at for 10x magnification photos/360s, or even at just eye-clean viewing?
3) 0.90ct is the lowest I will be going. It can be higher up to 0.99ct if what I compromise does not affect my main focus of choosing a beautiful, shiny , eye clean diamond for her.
4) Girdle: medium to slightly thick : this is what I usually match with....is this an issue? I know not to have it very thick.
5) GIA characteristics report on Clarity: Twinning wisp on the one below. Is this good bad? What if they have 4 characteristics instead of one? I don't understand what any of these words do to the diamond (eye clean , 10x mag)

FYI: Her ring size is 5.25, no strong preference on band yet (aria?).

Here is an example of something that I thought was reasonable:
https://www.jamesallen.com/loose-di...i-color-si1-clarity-excellent-cut-sku-2771876

Thank you for reading
 
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Beautiful diamond that is True Hearts trademarked! What does that mean? I have no objections to a bigger diamond. 900USD more to drop to J though. I don't know what to consider regarding this. Would this be a risk with the ct size going up to see a yellow/brown tinge?

What else appeals to you about this relative to mine?
 
That "I" you picked is not that nice. Low crown and too many dark inclusions. Not big on the 80% lower halves either (causes very thin arrows).
The H&A is really off...I cant get the arrow shafts to match up with the arrow heads. If Cut is your top priority (which it should be), that stone is
not it.

Not finding a whole lot right now that meets your specs...
https://www.whiteflash.com/loose-diamonds/round-cut-loose-diamond-3571555.htm

https://www.jamesallen.com/loose-di...rat-j-color-si1-clarity-ideal-cut-sku-2463227
https://www.jamesallen.com/loose-di...i-color-vs1-clarity-excellent-cut-sku-2677167
 
tyty333 said:
That "I" you picked is not that nice. Low crown and too many dark inclusions. Not big on the 80% lower halves either (causes very thin arrows).
The H&A is really off...I cant get the arrow shafts to match up with the arrow heads. If Cut is your top priority (which it should be), that stone is
not it.

Not finding a whole lot right now that meets your specs...
https://www.whiteflash.com/loose-diamonds/round-cut-loose-diamond-3571555.htm

https://www.jamesallen.com/loose-di...rat-j-color-si1-clarity-ideal-cut-sku-2463227
https://www.jamesallen.com/loose-di...i-color-vs1-clarity-excellent-cut-sku-2677167
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Thank you for replying.
-Too many dark inclusions that are visible at 20x magnification? or "eye-clean"?
-Low Crown as in crown height of 13.5% (ideally........15%?)
-I don't know how to match arrow shafts to heads. Is this done with the top view of the diamond at 20x mag?
 
 
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gm89uk said:
http://www.b2cjewels.com/dd/6956911/0-90-carat-round-diamond-h-color-vs2-clarity

I would reserve this ASAP, great stone that is everything you want.

other suitable stones
http://www.b2cjewels.com/dd/9143642/0-90-carat-round-diamond-h-color-si1-clarity
http://www.b2cjewels.com/dd/9192752/0-97-carat-round-diamond-g-color-si1-clarity (check if eyeclean with that feather at 12oclock)
http://www.b2cjewels.com/dd/9118403/0-90-carat-round-diamond-h-color-vs2-clarity

B2C is a pricescope recommended vendor.
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Why?
The AGS Diamond is over 2 years old, and the face up size is small relative to 0.90ct (~6.25mm).
Everything else looks good to me. Is that what you see as well?

edit: referring to the first link.

appreciate the reply
 
It does not face up small relative for a 0.90, it faces up spot on for a 0.9. You have just been looking at shallow stones with lower crowns. A crown with 13.5% height will compromise fire and favour brightness. Fire are the coloured lights that come off a diamond (the sparkle). Brightness is how bright it appears. This diamond will be plenty bright with an ASET like that. They probably have the stone in hand if it is Perfection cut, so I would ask regarding clouds as the primary inclusion. At VS2 it should be safe in most cases, especially if vetted for their branded line.

Re: age of report, I did speak to a B2C rep about this before and I think their customer base is primarily GIA. A friend just bought a perfection cut 1.5 from them with a 2 year old report, and it is great. They are all inspected before hand, but worthwhile clarifying with them.

That diamond has a great ASET and H&A. It is far better cut than what you first suggested and for the price, with that colour and clarity it's a win. If you want larger, check the 0.97 I linked you. Ask about eyeclean and for an ASET and H&A pictures.
 
Thank you, why would I get a higher color? I wouldn't be able to tell if it was yellow based on the photos ?
 
Some people are color sensitive and so a J is somewhat of an "advanced topic"
 
JA can only supply idealscope images for locations overseas and just idealscopes (not ASET)? After talking to online rep

This is a game changer..
 
Idealscope is fine if ASET is not available. Most people will notice some yellow tint from the side in a J. A well cut stone helps face up white. In a 0.9 it is less noticeable than a larger carat.

It is not going to ice white, it is a J and is a J for a reason. If it didn't have a slight tint, it wouldn't be a J. Depends on how colour sensitive you and your SO are, and the type of setting.

Hence I would get a higher colour, especially as you already have great ASET and H&A images provided, and it is 2 colours higher, and within ideal range. If you have not seen J's before, then look at them in real life before you buy online, preferably with your SO.
 
Thank you for the reply.

You are talking about the AGS diamond?
What I understand is there are also spectrums of colors? (High J and Low J?)
 
Yes.

There are a spectrum but you cannot tell with accuracy from a video. Depends on videography, post video editing, and your screen. You can ask JA gemologist to comment on whether they think it's a high or low J (not the rep, they can't tell you either).
 
Do you know for a fact that your intended wants a yellow tinted diamond?
 
She does not, I was under the impression that color J was only yellow tinted under magnification..
 
Justin T said:
She does not, I was under the impression that color J was only yellow tinted under magnification..
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A J will not be a yellow diamond, especially in that size. It will show a little body color from the side, but a well-cut J will face up nice and white... assuming that your SO isn't really color sensitive. My last diamond was a 2.43 ct J and it was very white face up, with a bit of tint when viewed from the side (which was a moot point because it was set in a halo).

The type setting you'll choose matters as well. Some settings do not allow the side of the diamond to be viewed fully. In a 1 ct or less, even a 6 prong will hide a lot of the side view.

If you are hesitant about a J, I would just go with an I color and call it a day. Now I have a 3.33 ct I (avatar) and it is white even from the side (and the larger the diamond, the more color it will show).
 
Interesting indeed. But a couple of the proportions don't match up with what GIA measured apart from the one colour upgrade from J to I.
 
I have an I pendant, GIA graded and I can see yellow tint. I think the best way to avoid that is to buy a J from Wink at highperformancediamonds.com that way you know you are getting such an excellent cut that body color likely won't be an issue. The other choice would be whiteflash.com
 
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Justin T said:
Nice, but I don't think I want a D/VVS2 diamond. Especially when it's a final sale!

Will this one (https://www.jamesallen.com/mobile/l...j-color-vs2-clarity-excellent-cut-sku-2805443) be eye-clean? I see a black inclusion on the table....:( But I mean that shouldn't do anything without magnification?
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You would take a J/VS2 with a table inclusion over D/VVS2 that also has a great cut and it's from the same vendor? :confused:

P.S. That diamond sold for $6,760: https://www.jamesallen.com/mobile/l...d-color-vvs2-clarity-excellent-cut-sku-796285
 
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The loupetroop liting is very nice.
 
SimoneDi said:
You would take a J/VS2 with a table inclusion over D/VVS2 that also has a great cut and it's from the same vendor? :confused:

P.S. That diamond sold for $6,760: https://www.jamesallen.com/mobile/l...d-color-vvs2-clarity-excellent-cut-sku-796285
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No...I just feel that I want to buy from a seller that has a refund policy/buy back instead of transferring money through paypal to a seller that is final sale? If I have misinterpreted the website then I'm sorry.

And no, I wouldn't take a J/VS2 + table inclusion > D/VVS2......but I know my budget and preference of where I purchase has me slotted in the J/VS2 range as of now....perhaps it will change. Which is why I'm here to learn! :)
 
Justin T said:
No...I just feel that I want to buy from a seller that has a refund policy/buy back instead of transferring money through paypal to a seller that is final sale? If I have misinterpreted the website then I'm sorry.

And no, I wouldn't take a J/VS2 + table inclusion > D/VVS2......but I know my budget and preference of where I purchase has me slotted in the J/VS2 range as of now....perhaps it will change. Which is why I'm here to learn! :)[/QUOTE
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Many of us have bought what we call "pre-loved" diamonds or other pieces of jewelry. In my opinion, and considering your budget, I would seriously consider the D/VVS2 that is for sale by a private party. She has bought it from JA (so you know the vendor) and I personally may try to negotiate a 3 day inspection period. A more comfortable option to purchase would be for the seller to send it to a local appraiser who can facilitate the sale for example. I would reach out to the seller one way or another, the stone is really worth considering. I would pick it over the J (and I have a J).
 
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