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Thank you Garry. To clarify, if I am understanding, is there is some risk with buying a diamond that is not in house and that the diamonds that I can view from IDK, BN, WF etc. may "save me tears" from dealing with buying a junky diamond. That is worth a bit of money from my pocket IMO. Peace of mind is worth something.

Doesn't bother me where the diamond is "from". based on my quick read, often country of origin is not always known exactly since passes hands long the way.....thank you for your contribution.
 
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I am currently looking at comparable diamonds based on GIA on PS. Several with same basic specs. but areless money. Is this bc they may not sparkle as much? Light refraction? I did note not all are 8.5mm width/height. Not sure how much .1-.2mm makes in size. $1,500-$2k is quite less.....

http://www.bluenile.com/diamond-details/LD05589552?click_id=599204021

http://www.bluenile.com/diamond-details/LD06177102?click_id=322378271

http://www.b2cjewels.com/dd-6702655-2.27-carat-Round-diamond-J-color-SI2-Clarity.aspx??

http://www.bluenile.com/diamond-details/LD05560345?click_id=461998162 (strong fluorescents- I think I read to avoid v. strong)

One IDJ is holding has faint fluro. I think that is suppose to "help" the J color. But also drop the price a tad?

Am I suppose to dicker with price on the IDJ one? Or is the cash value pretty much what it is? I can show him the comparable diamonds (by GIA) that are less and see if they can wiggle some?
 
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Hello Cinnamonstick :wavey:
I just wanted to add my 2 cents on IDJ and Yekutiel specifically as he is the one that picked my round brilliant diamond.
I told him what I wanted and my budget and he delivered. He picked from a selection of diamonds that were listed with other vendors, I think it was listed with Blue Nile. I went in to his store and looked at all the diamonds he called in for me.
Yekutiel and his sister picked the best ones then I had to choose. We narrowed it down to two diamonds. Both diamonds were J color and the same size however one was VS1 and one was VS2. I then asked his dad which one he thought I should pick. He told me what he would pick if he was buying the diamond. Fast forward to today, I cannot tell you that a day does not go by without someone who notices my diamond ring. Whether its at work, at the grocery store, at the mall, at the movies, at parties, etc. Its my center diamond that just goes off like fireworks because its well cut. A well cut J will look like a G diamond when the proportions are ideal. My diamond although a J color, it is cut very well and it looks like a million bucks, :love:

I also have a cushion diamond that I purchased from Yekutiel last year and it was also listed with another vendor on line. IDJ beat the price from the on line vendor. The cushion is an amazing cushion diamond. So both my purchases from Yekutiel at IDJ are amazing diamonds. I feel he is honest and picks diamonds as if they were for his wife. I trust him dearly and the family at IDJ are good people to deal with. I live in New York and have access to all jewelry shops, vendors from 5th avenue to downtown Manhattan and I only choose to work with IDJ as they are fair and honest people. They always do the right thing for the customer and not their pocket. I wish you all the best, just wanted to throw in my 2 cents with sharing my story. :wavey:
 
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Madison2...you may have just sealed the deal!!!!!! (quote my husband made when I read your info to him). LOL! :) It is important for me to her these stories. I am glad you helped me worked though my fears a bit. <3 <3 <3 TY!!!!

I wish I lived in NY to view a line up of diamonds. Would be so much easier and less stressful. That is what I did when I went to a local brick/m store. Viewed several side by side and it was pretty easy to pick my favorite. Of the two J's I viewed (know this is a repeat but piggy backs off of your comment about your "J") one was a bit yellow. The other J--wow!! SMOKING! I had it side by side with a "G" 2ct I could not really tell the difference between the colors!!! That is what sold me that a "J" could be ok. If it was not for the $20,100 price tag on that "J", I may have walked out with it LOL!!!

Do I dicker with the prices with IDJ or is pretty much the cash price, the cash price?
I need to double check the price is fair by looking around a bit. Difficult for me to interpret table vs depth etc.I am sure subtle things would factor in a price. Im viewing a few diamonds that are GIA/3 excellent, same color, same basic specs. but different prices by up to $2k for some reason



THANKS TO ALL OF YOU!
 
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Hi Cinnamonstick,
I am glad I was able to help. As far as price goes, whatever the online price is for the diamond, usually Yekutiel will beat that price listed. Thats what happened with my two diamond purchases. Blue Nile was more money and Yekutiel gave me a fair price. I did try to have him go down more, but he couldn't so I just paid what he wanted because it was less than blue nile price. I did my research and found it more on other vendor sites so I knew I was getting a fair deal price with IDJ.

I doesn't hurt to ask, and see what happens. Is the price with other online vendor more then what Yekutiel is asking?
 
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Yes. The JA price is $16,800 ouch. Not sure if that includes any cash break. My price from IDJ is $16,300 cash (still ouch).
I started off with $13k or less when i first stared my search....lol! :) It reminds me a buying a house or car. It always ends up being a lot more! TG no tax! I also was going to keep my origional 1.1. Now I'm going to try to sell it.

I am trying to locate the diamond on another popular vendors to see their prices on same diamond if I can. Pricescope only has it listed with JA.
 
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OK, got it!
I would ask Yekutiel if he can do a little better on the price. It does not hurt to ask if he says yes, you save some money. If he says no thats the price then at least your getting it cheaper than James Allen or other vendors are asking.
I loved my diamond and I wanted it badly and got it for less than Blue Nile was asking so for me it was a win win.

Good Luck and make sure to come back and show us the final ring when complete.
 
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cinnamonstick said:
I am currently looking at comparable diamonds based on GIA on PS. Several with same basic specs. but areless money. Is this bc they may not sparkle as much? Light refraction? I did note not all are 8.5mm width/height. Not sure how much .1-.2mm makes in size. $1,500-$2k is quite less.....

http://www.bluenile.com/diamond-details/LD05589552?click_id=599204021

http://www.bluenile.com/diamond-details/LD06177102?click_id=322378271

http://www.b2cjewels.com/dd-6702655-2.27-carat-Round-diamond-J-color-SI2-Clarity.aspx???

http://www.bluenile.com/diamond-details/LD05560345?click_id=461998162 (strong fluorescents- I think I read to avoid v. strong)

One IDJ is holding has faint fluro. I think that is suppose to "help" the J color. But also drop the price a tad?

Am I suppose to dicker with price on the IDJ one? Or is the cash value pretty much what it is? I can show him the comparable diamonds (by GIA) that are less and see if they can wiggle some?
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Just to comment on these 4 stones. The 1st and 4th BN stones have proportions that may not yield the best performance or spread. The 2nd BN stone has great proportions and interestingly it's priced much closer to the stone you're considering. The BC2 stone is an SI2, so not a fair comparison.

Faint fluor probably won't help the J much, but it won't hurt it either. Strong blue fluorescence isn't necessarily a bad thing as long as it doesn't make the stone appear hazy.

You are also paying for an expert to personally review the stone in hand. He provided you with an IS and ASET image, which BN won't do (and can't as they are a drop shipper).

You can show him the 2nd BN stone and ask him about it and see if he can get it for you. I would tell him what your comfort range is budget wise and see if he can align to those numbers.
 
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Do a search on any given carat/clarity/color AND cut grade and you will find pricing discrepancies of over 40% and upwards of 60% in value. While this is not new news, in the past 2 weeks alone we have seen no less than virtually half the options we've called in have open feathers on the crown, brown, hazy (not because of fluoro either), etc. or a combination of these and more. Nobody's giving anything away. If it's priced notably cheaper there is generally sound gemological reasons why.
 
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For me, I basically paid what he quoted.

The diamond was listed for more on BN but less on B2C. Nothing too crazy, just $100-$200 variances.

I considered his time, images, and professional opinion on viewing the diamond in-house as worth the extra couple of hundred.
 
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Rhino said:
Do a search on any given carat/clarity/color AND cut grade and you will find pricing discrepancies of over 40% and upwards of 60% in value. While this is not new news, in the past 2 weeks alone we have seen no less than virtually half the options we've called in have open feathers on the crown, brown, hazy (not because of fluoro either), etc. or a combination of these and more. Nobody's giving anything away. If it's priced notably cheaper there is generally sound gemological reasons why.
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This. He knows what he's talking about. :sun:
 
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JDDN|1439270119|3913216 said:
Rhino said:
Do a search on any given carat/clarity/color AND cut grade and you will find pricing discrepancies of over 40% and upwards of 60% in value. While this is not new news, in the past 2 weeks alone we have seen no less than virtually half the options we've called in have open feathers on the crown, brown, hazy (not because of fluoro either), etc. or a combination of these and more. Nobody's giving anything away. If it's priced notably cheaper there is generally sound gemological reasons why.
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This. He knows what he's talking about. :sun:
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I second that. I still have not found a +2ct eye clean SI2 that does not have something wrong with it that if most buyers knew stuff - they would choose to have some hard to see inclusions and live with it if that is what their budget required.
 
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This is all great information to read when I woke this morning. I know everyone's time is precious and appreciate your time.

I do 100% agree with DarkKing that it is worth extra payment to have someone review my diamond first hand before I purchase. Especially someone that is found to have a great reputation. It does ease my mind and worth the extra $ with out question.


I will ask about the one BN stone that is $1k less vs the 2.28 on hold. $1000 cheaper for what seems like a very close diamond in specs. I will trust IDJ's input since I cant see both diamonds side by side. Either way IDJ will make a sale so assume they would only want to find me a perfect match. It will be interesting to see what he says.

Here goes nothing! I suspect by this afternoon I will be wiring money to NY! :appl: :appl: I cant believe I am pulling the trigger after so many years!! Literally, it may even be closer to 9 years of wanting/searching/saving....just hope it is a stunning diamond that is worth every bit of $16k on todays market.

:) TY
 
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Its done :) Bought it :) SHEWWWW! THANK YOU ALL!! Never would have felt as comfortable with out bouncing off of your knowledge!!

He wiggled a tad. LOL -small tad. $16,150 final price. Shared few "friends" felt it looked a bit yellow in the video possibly. He said the gray table top/lights etc influences. He feels it looks white face up and I will be very pleased. STUNNING! Added that WG prongs will help cover/reflect to counter the "J" from the sides. I feel he is being honest and this is a whiter "J". Full trust.


***Now-here is one small extra.......

I shared I have a local jeweler (good rep/but never used personally) who I will have set the diamond in my current setting. I didn't add that I would also have him also look at the diamond with the GIA. Sure he assumes. When I shared that I had a setting already, IDJ said he could set my diamond in my current ring for $150 if I wanted. Switching head. In addition, I wanted it set as low as possible. I do think IDJ would do a nice job. IF I do this, I would need to send him my current setting, this means NOT seeing the loose diamond before hand. My gut says I will love this diamond, but not sure that is smart. We discussed color many times since that is my only worry point and I do believe this will be white enough for me.

So WWYD? Full trust and have him set the stone in NY unseen, get the loose stone and have the man set it here and look over the diamond for me, or get the loose stone- have the man look it over here, and send it back to NY to be set by IDJ? IDJ guessed $150 to have the new diamond sent back to NY with my current ring and diamond. HAS to be more than that? Husband feels IDJ is trustworthy, send him my ring and have the diamond set there sight unseen. IDK.

?? Thoughts?? I could ask for a few more pics to show color first but not sure that would tell me much. Seems not wise to set a $16k diamond but not to see it first with my own eyes loose (not that I really know what I am viewing anyway other than if it looks good). I do believe I will love this diamond and think he will do an awesome job setting it for me, but not seeing it first in person worries me.

One more option, I COULD send him my ring/diamond and say "if the stone is any more yellow than mine, it is too yellow" and let him look at them side by side before setting (mine is a super old GIA 1998, I, but has a LOT of spread. table is 64%, depth 56.4%, 6.84,6.97,1, 3.88). He felt since my table was so wide (he gasped a bit politely), my current "I" prob looks "warmer" than a well cut I. I still feel I should view the diamond first loose. Shouldn't I?
 
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Just a switch of the head although I really want it as low set as possible (lefty). Simple for any jeweler?
 
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Excited you have found your diamond. What did IDJ think about the second BN stone?

I would think your ring will need some adapting to fit the stone as the design of the ring is not symmetrical so the bigger diamond would bump on one side.
 
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Hello, I type up some information on the Blue Nile stone but since I am so long winded I thought I would spare you all and just try to get to the point. Funny thing is I still think I was long winded!

He thought the Blue Nile stone was okay but noted it had a cloud in the GIA. Also noted the GIA additional clouds not to shown. Didn't think it would represent the same beauty. Also diamond is in India and can't see them side by side to compare. Since I feel he is trustworthy, I followed my god that the diamond probably does not look as nice as the one he had in his hand on hold for me.

Just left the local guy I feel comfortable with him. He said 200 to set the diamond. I still think for some reason I should see that loose diamond even though I know they would said it nicely up in New York City. Any comments on that? Viewing the diamond loose first before getting it set? I know I'm going to love it if IDJ says breathtaking. But, seems smart to view? Or is GIA and IDJ enough to know? My current diamond is a piece of crap so honestly I know this thing is going to knock my socks off!
 
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I think that is symmetrical maybe it was just the angle? Either way I would want to be set the best it could possibly be set and I'm sure New York has a great job. It's just a matter of not seeing the loose stone first
 
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If you know your current diamond is your threshold for yellow tint then you can proceed with your last option.
You can even ask him to take pictures/videos of side by side comparison w/ your current diamond.

Have you sent a picture of your current setting to IDJ just to make sure there are no surprises?
(Your current setting is quite unique! Looks great).

2nd best options IMHO, for peace of mind, is to have him ship the loose diamond to you and have it set by the local jeweler.
Price is comparable if I'm understanding it correctly.

Having IDJ send you the loose stone, then sending both the diamond and current setting back to him is quite a bit of back and forth.
 
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Quickie question: Has your jeweler seen your current setting? Has IDJ seen a photo of your current setting?

It appears that on one side the diamond is sitting almost flush against the metal and that there is some room on the opposite side. I'm wondering if that would necessitate the new head to be slightly off center to accommodate the larger diamond? Since your stone is larger, won't it need to sit higher up to fit in the opening of your setting?

Just wondering if your jeweler and IDJ has said your new diamond will fit just fine in your current setting.

I think either option would be fine. It's all a matter of what you're most comfortable with. Seems like you'd like to view the stone before having it set, which is probably a smart move.

I would trust IDJ with setting the stone for me, but that's not the issue here. It sounds like you'd like to view the stone first. If it was set, could you still return it if on the off chance you didn't like it? If the answer is no, then I would have it sent loose as it's a lot of money to forgo in the event you don't feel 110% about it.
 
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IDJ will have the diamond insured if anything should happen to it whereas you would need to get the loose stone insured if your local jeweller set it as he would not cover a $16000 diamond for $150 setting job. I believe I have read it is difficult to get an insurer to cover a loose stone for the obvious - easy to lose. I am not sure about your setting but thought the same as JDDN as though they would need to make the ring finger size larger to accommodate or shave some metal away or sit off to the side of the base or sit higher, only a jeweller or appraiser could advise on this but I think it may not be as simple as it looks to the layman so to speak.
 
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D- no idea what shade my "I" is. GIA is old, 1998. Heard they have gotten more strict? I do not see any yellow in my diamond based on my untrained eye. One appraiser who wrote up for insurance said H/I (which was weird bc she had the GIA in hand that said "I"). Maybe it is a white "I" then. All I know is I saw two 2ct J's in person Sunday. One was perfect, no yellow. Looked like the "G" she had and my "I". Other one was clearly yellow beside the other "J". Subjective grading. TY for the compliment. I had an invisible setting with a carrot on each side prior. It was a nightmare! Fixws 5 or more times. I decided to get rid of all side stones.

JDNN- I used a ruler and tried to measure. The SMALLEST space is 2mm away from the head (curved side of the gold is the closest). Other sides have 3mm or 4mm based on my rough ruler measurement as the diamond sits now. The local guy viewed my setting in person today, as well as IDJ (sent him 8 photos of the current setting, you all saw a few). Neither said anything about it being "tricky" to set. Both said the diamond would sit a bit higher- 2mm maybe (bummer being a lefty). Not sure how to get around that. Suppose no way. My current is so shallow. :(

IDJ said he would try to shave a bit of the prong insides to help the diamond sit lower, if possible (if it is as low as my current that is fine, does not need to be "lower" but I hope not to have a very high head). Said will mist likely sit higher. Local guy agreed it would sit maybe 2mm higher or so bc the new diamond is deeper (larger). Local also said would NOT shave any of the prongs to set it lower. He seemed more likely to just pop it in where IDJ mentioned trying to make it as low as possible maybe with a tweak. Local said prongs would be a very similar head thickness wise. IDJ mentioned "bear claw" prong. I will need clarification on that with IDJ.

No more than $200 local guy said, $150 IDJ. Honestly, if it takes some tweaking and adjustments to make it as low as possible, I would gladly pay for time and effort.

Pyramid- As far as insurance, it will be insured before taking it to the local jeweler if that is the root I go. It will be worked out here. No problems. GREAT tip for a newbie!!! IDJ warned me about loose diamonds and insurance co's. In the clear there.

I am going to contact IDJ and ask if he can take a few pics to help show the shade of the diamond since if I have them set it, I wont see it before hand. I will ask about the return policy if set by IDJ, as well as "bear claw"/prong clarification. Last, if I have him set it, I will have him compare my current diamond when he gets it color wise to the "J" before he actually does set it.
 
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Closest side (curved side), straight side, and one other angle. I do agree with a much larger diamond it may take a little tweak with the head. It would drive me crazy if it was not set centered properly.
 
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IDJ is going to send me a video in natural light, on white paper, beside an "I" (can be any shade of I, suppose) etc. He said face up this diamond looks like a "H". Side view you can see a little "warmth". Worries me a tad but I know he sees thousands of diamonds and feels this one is a "good J". That means a lot since color has been the topic of the majority of our conversations. HOPEFULLY the pics/video will clarify more. I will post. I wish I could pay you all back for your time and opinions/suggestions.

Called Mervis to ask about the J's I saw. She said the J I loved is more like an I/J. Looks more I. Other "J" is more typical. Ok so hopefully since IDJ feels this is a "whiter J" it is going to be ok. Maybe not setting the stone in NY is best to see although IDJ states this is a great "J".
 
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Hello,
This may be thinking outside the box, but my my thought is ask IDJ to put your new diamond in a classic tiffany simple setting. This would be a simple as it gets for you to see it and get a feel for the diamond at all angles and even try it on at home. See if you like it.
then move ahead and decide what you want to do setting wise.

I was not understanding what you want to set your diamond in? What setting were you thinking of putting your new diamond in? My concern is that the new diamond won't fit into a old setting. Why force something to fit rather then just get a simple setting that he has in the store, nothing fancy just a six or 4 prong Tiffany classic setting. He did a ring for another pricescoper NYCSpring, and you can really see how beautiful the diamond is. Again just my 2 cents here :D
Pic below of NYCSpring diamond and setting done by IDJ.

classic_tiffany_setting.jpg
 
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update:

IDJ sent two videos which was helpful. There is some warmth from the side view but it is so hard for me to really know how much warmth it is since I am not a diamond expert. He placed the diamond beside a "G" (side views video). He said the "H" and "I" looked too close to really show a difference in the video, which is why he chose to compare it with a "G" (white background).

What makes me feel the most comfortable is have the loose stone sent to me, view it and send it back with my ring/old diamond to be set. I REALLY feel IDJ would do the best job setting my ring after speaking with him on the topic a few times. Correction on my part about shaving the prong inside. That was not accurate on my end. IDJ was mentioning trimming of the bottom of the head (V base part I believe). Flatten it out 1mm, per my request to set it as low as possible. It seems win/win for my peace of mind. Some inconvenience on my end to view the diamond first but, it is what it is. What is $100 more for shipping back and forth at this point?? Nothing.

Madison2: I really want to use my current setting. Pics above. Quizzed IDJ bit ago about my setting. He feels it will fit just fine and look great.

I am going to try to upload a few pics of the diamond I purchased beside a "G". Again, IDJ felt my "J" diamond was too close to "I" and "H" to show much of a difference which is why he jumped up to the "G". Thoughts of the color now that it is up against white?Hopefully I can figure out how to upload a still shot of the video.
 
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Video shots:

G on left
My J on right

Including the "worst" yellow still shot I can find and a few "general" random shots. If anyone wants to take a peak it would be appreciated. No need to view all since I went a but nuts, I wanted to get as many shots as possible since at times I don't see the warmth so much, but others I see slight warmth.
 
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More :) TY for looking...
 
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Few more and some of the diamond top view (looks great) and side alone not beside a "G" stone
 
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Bit more for anyone not sick of viewing yet...wanted some pics all views to really get your opinions on color
 
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