worry about my diamond

[munchee]

Thank you all of you. You are so patient to help me.

Unfortunately I have another problem today.
Today I brought my gf with the rings to shop in Cartier and other vendors to shop wedding rings.

I found my diamond had little fire than others. Although it had lot of brightness. Then i also viewed the diamond under the sun. I only can see the brightness but no fire.

Is it possible that a diamond has very high brightness but with low fire?
And the H&A is not very clear. Does it affect the fire also? I feel a little bit sad. Or it is just my wrong Imagination? Thank you very much.

That’s what’s differentiate a well cut diamond and just a normal 3 ex cut. A well cut diamond will give a lot of fire. That’s why a lot of people (including me) are willing to pay the premium price for an extremely well cut diamond (we call it Super Ideal cut) which have much less to none light leakage and maximize its light performance. If your question is about the inclusion the answer is your stone is good. But about cut, it’ll be a totally different question and different assessment

 

[D650]

That’s what’s differentiate a well cut diamond and just a normal 3 ex cut. A well cut diamond will give a lot of fire. That’s why a lot of people (including me) are willing to pay the premium price for an extremely well cut diamond (we call it Super Ideal cut) which have much less to none light leakage and maximize its light performance. If your question is about the inclusion the answer is your stone is good. But about cut, it’ll be a totally different question and different assessment

According to the HCA, my diamond is 1.2 score with 3ex. I found it is very brightness but with no fire. Is it possible that a diamond has high brightness but little fire? Or my diamond is not good?

 

[new-beginning]

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[Lula]

Numbers on GIA report look good. When is the last time you cleaned the diamond? Diamonds need to be cleaned frequently or they look dull.

 

[D650]

GIA - Report Check

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Thank you for quoting.

Numbers on GIA report look good. When is the last time you cleaned the diamond? Diamonds need to be cleaned frequently or they look dull.

I just bought it a month and my gf wore it for few days only. I feel really sorry to my gf.
Here is the photo and the video of the diamond.

1.00 Carat Round Diamond | Ritani

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I compared it with other diamonds. The brightness is very high. But I didn’t see fire compared with others. Should it be possible that a diamond with high brightness but low fire? And I didn’t see some of the arrows on the photo. Should the missing arrows lower the fire? Should I open a bew thread for this question?

 

[MMtwo]

Your diamond is beautiful. It could have been that if the diamonds in the case twinkled more than the diamond on your fiance's hand, the lights in the case may have been only shining on the case. The diamond may have been dirty. Every morning I give my diamond a scrubbing with a toothbrush and dish soap. Not only the top, but the bottom of the diamond must be clean to perform the best. You may know this already, but running through the possible issues.

I ran your diamond through the HCA. The cut brings you into a sweet spot of performance and it should be a fiery and bright diamond.

 

[D650]

Your diamond is beautiful. It could have been that if the diamonds in the case twinkled more than the diamond on your fiance's hand, the lights in the case may have been only shining on the case. The diamond may have been dirty. Every morning I give my diamond a scrubbing with a toothbrush and dish soap. Not only the top, but the bottom of the diamond must be clean to perform the best. You may know this already, but running through the possible issues.

I ran your diamond through the HCA. The cut brings you into a sweet spot of performance and it should be a fiery and bright diamond.

Apart from the HCA score, what do you think about my diamond?

I saw brightness and not very much color of fire on my diamond. Should it be possible that a diamond with high brightness but with low fire/just one or two color of fire? Or if a diamond has high brightness, the fire should be high also?

Because I bought it online just based on the HCA. Do you think my diamond on the video or photo has any problems, such as light leakage? Now I think HCA has it limitations.

 

[MMtwo]

Apart from the HCA score, what do you think about my diamond?

I saw brightness and not very much color of fire on my diamond. Should it be possible that a diamond with high brightness but with low fire/just one or two color of fire? Or if a diamond has high brightness, the fire should be high also?

Because I bought it online just based on the HCA. Do you think my diamond on the video or photo has any problems, such as light leakage? Now I think HCA has it limitations.

Sit in the sunshine with a clean diamond and see if you see color. The fire colors are dependant on the lighting conditions and a prism effect.

I do not see anything that gives me pause. Not only that, the experts on the forum including a very awesome diamond designer have looked this over and do not see anything that worries them about this cut. You have a 56% table. That is usually a bonus in a diamond that has good fire. The bright/lower fire diamonds have bigger tables. May I ask where you have learned yours is a BIC cut?

You have a TIC Tolkowsky Ideal Cut, not a BIC Brilliant Ideal Cut.

HCA - defining ideal cut diamonds

I have a BIC, and as you can see from my photo...even I have fire.

 

[D650]

Sit in the sunshine with a clean diamond and see if you see color. The fire colors are dependant on the lighting conditions and a prism effect.

I do not see anything that gives me pause. Not only that, the experts on the forum including a very awesome diamond designer have looked this over and do not see anything that worries them about this cut. You have a 56% table. That is usually a bonus in a diamond that has good fire. The bright/lower fire diamonds have bigger tables. May I ask where you have learned yours is a BIC cut?

You have a TIC Tolkowsky Ideal Cut, not a BIC Brilliant Ideal Cut.

HCA - defining ideal cut diamonds

I have a BIC, and as you can see from my photo...even I have fire.

This is the 1st time I heard about the BIC, TIC and FIC. I didn’t know that. I just compared my diamond with others. And it had least fire compared with others. Though it had high brightness.

Actually the diamond is not expensive. It’s just around USD 6,500.

First I thought I am lucky to find it. But now I think maybe there are any problems within the diamond. Therefore I asked about the feather.

And now when I compared with others. I am afraid that the diamond has problems (light leakages, etc.).

I could not give a good weeding to my wife. And I feel guilty if the diamond has problems.

Here is a video I filmed after the proposed. Let me upload

 

[D650]

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And after the Comparison, the ring vendor just said my diamond is not good enough.

 

[D650]

Sit in the sunshine with a clean diamond and see if you see color. The fire colors are dependant on the lighting conditions and a prism effect.

I do not see anything that gives me pause. Not only that, the experts on the forum including a very awesome diamond designer have looked this over and do not see anything that worries them about this cut. You have a 56% table. That is usually a bonus in a diamond that has good fire. The bright/lower fire diamonds have bigger tables. May I ask where you have learned yours is a BIC cut?

You have a TIC Tolkowsky Ideal Cut, not a BIC Brilliant Ideal Cut.

HCA - defining ideal cut diamonds

I have a BIC, and as you can see from my photo...even I have fire.

Besides, the vendor said my diamond didn’t have the H&A. I didn’t see some of the arrows on the photo also. Is it true? Do the missing arrows lower the fire?

 

[MMtwo]

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And after the Comparison, the ring vendor just said my diamond is not good enough.

Let me understand. You went to another jeweler after you bought the ring and he said it was not a good diamond? His were better?

The video of you rocking your girlfriend's hand back and forth did not have any lighting that would have produced colored fire. You would need a high-up spotlight for that.

Try morning sun on a clean diamond. Broad electric lights do not show fire for anyone's diamond. The video looks good for the lighting you have.

I'm uploading two videos for you of my diamond under different lighting. One broad electric lighting (no colored fire) one in sunlight for fire.

 

[MMtwo]

The camera captures less of the colors than my eye can see, but I just made your two videos under different lighting. Only bright, concentrated lights will create fire flashes. It's not the diamond, it's the viewer and light sources.

 

[Lula]

Diamonds do not exhibit fire in all lighting conditions. The video of the diamond on your girlfriend’s hand shows good scintillation, which tells me your diamond is cut well. Do a search for “scintillation and diamonds” to learn more. Diamonds display fire under spotlighting or in the sun. They display scintillation indoors away from spotlights, or outdoors on a cloudy day. The best thing that diamonds do, in my opinion, is show dispersion. Dispersion is the shimmery rainbow colors you will see if you sit outside under a tree with leaves on a sunny day. Do a search for “dispersion and diamonds” to learn more.

The diamond looks beautiful on your girlfriend’s hand. What does she think of the diamond?

And for what it is worth, my diamond never looks as fiery as the diamonds in a store’s display case. The diamonds in the display case are very, very clean and are displayed directly under a spotlight. My diamond is very well cut, but when I go into a store it is on my hand and not in the case. It also has smudges on it from me wearing it.

You may not see arrows in every lighting condition or from every angle.

Take some time to enjoy the diamond and get to know its personality.

 

[D650]

Let me understand. You went to another jeweler after you bought the ring and he said it was not a good diamond? His were better?

The video of you rocking your girlfriend's hand back and forth did not have any lighting that would have produced colored fire. You would need a high-up spotlight for that.

Try morning sun on a clean diamond. Broad electric lights do not show fire for anyone's diamond. The video looks good for the lighting you have.

I'm uploading two videos for you of my diamond under different lighting. One broad electric lighting (no colored fire) one in sunlight for fire.

The full story is that I brought the loose diamond in a lower price. I thought I was lucky maybe.

After I received it, I mounted it on a ring and went to shopping for wedding rings in Cartier. I found the diamonds in cartier had more colorful fire than mine.

I went to a vendor and compared their diamonds side by side. I realized that the light return maybe at the same level but the vendor’s diamond had a colorful fire. Also, I could see the arrows of the vendor’s diamond had high reflection. But I could not find mine’s arrows.

The vendor said mine is not very excellent. It’s just above the average. And the H&A of my diamond is not good.

After I bought the diamond and mounted it on a ring, I examined the diamond under the sunlight twice when I met my gf. As I remembered, I could see light return without fire (maybe little fire) and the arrows.

Is it possible that a very good data (my diamond) even don’t have H&A?

Is it possible that a diamond with high light return but with very very low fire?

Does the H&A really affect the fire?

I didn’t think I am a lucky man. But I bought the diamond in a price of around USD 6,500. Does it has any tricky things? Thank you for your help.

 

[Sunstorm]

Dear. You need to chill. According to the report and what all the experts told you here you got a really nice stone. Nothing to worry about. If you are still worried get a referral here to a recommended appraiser and get an independent report.

Never listen to the scare tactics of competitors bashing your diamond. They are unethical people trying to sell you their stones.

Diamonds perform very differently under different lighting conditions.

 

[tyty333]

As @MMtwo stated, fire only shows up in certain lighting. First, you need to make sure your stone is clean (warm water, dawn dish soap and
a soft toothbrush)...Scrub lightly, rinse, and dry. Most of us clean our rings every day or every couple of days depending on what we've been
doing. Especially in this time of having to constantly put on hand sanitizer.

Take your ring outside on a sunny day and go under a tree where you can catch a little sun. Play around with it and you should be able
to create some fire. My stones do not fire in most areas of my house due to lighting. Clean stone and the right lighting are the keys to fire.

Most conditions are not good for fire but when you do hit the right conditions it should send off some sparks.

Your stone is not H&A. H&A is a level of cutting precision that you usually have to pay more for.

There is really nothing more that we can tell you about your stone without Aset Images, Idealscope images, and H&A images.
Your stone has decent numbers but GIA does round.

Are you out of the 30-day return policy?

 

[Lula]

Sounds like if you are in the return period you should consider returning the diamond. But only if you can compare several diamonds in person and pick the one your eyes like the best. Otherwise you are likely to receive a new diamond that looks the same as this diamond. All we can say for sure is that the numbers look good and the diamond looks like it should in the video. You are the one seeing it in real life. Perhaps you need to return this diamond and buy a diamond locally where you can compare the fire of several stones and pick the one you like.

 

[MMtwo]

The full story is that I brought the loose diamond in a lower price. I thought I was lucky maybe.

After I received it, I mounted it on a ring and went to shopping for wedding rings in Cartier. I found the diamonds in cartier had more colorful fire than mine.

I went to a vendor and compared their diamonds side by side. I realized that the light return maybe at the same level but the vendor’s diamond had a colorful fire. Also, I could see the arrows of the vendor’s diamond had high reflection. But I could not find mine’s arrows.

The vendor said mine is not very excellent. It’s just above the average. And the H&A of my diamond is not good.

After I bought the diamond and mounted it on a ring, I examined the diamond under the sunlight twice when I met my gf. As I remembered, I could see light return without fire (maybe little fire) and the arrows.

Is it possible that a very good data (my diamond) even don’t have H&A?

Is it possible that a diamond with high light return but with very very low fire?

Does the H&A really affect the fire?

I didn’t think I am a lucky man. But I bought the diamond in a price of around USD 6,500. Does it has any tricky things? Thank you for your help.

This is what I suggest to you, if you need confirmation of the cut and performance of your diamond. Take this diamond to an appraiser. One who is not trying to sell you a diamond. Ask this person their opinion and take your GIA certification with you.

We have tried to tell you your diamond is lovely. You seem to be unconvinced this is a good diamond. I don't think this site can help you further because we are talking in circles. An evaluation by a GIA-certified appraiser near you will help you to evaluate this diamond and see if the performance is subpar for some reason. In your mind, if this is not a good diamond, it does not matter what strangers tell you on the internet.

Edit: I worry this post with seeming harsh, but I am intending to be pragmatic and help you solve your problem of concern for this diamond.

I would ask you to consider your finance. Most important, and way more important than how you feel - how does she feel? She is the one to love and wear it.

 

[tyty333]

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[D650]

Dear. You need to chill. According to the report and what all the experts told you here you got a really nice stone. Nothing to worry about. If you are still worried get a referral here to a recommended appraiser and get an independent report.

Never listen to the scare tactics of competitors bashing your diamond. They are unethical people trying to sell you their stones.

Diamonds perform very differently under different lighting conditions.

Thank you very much.

As @MMtwo stated, fire only shows up in certain lighting. First, you need to make sure your stone is clean (warm water, dawn dish soap and
a soft toothbrush)...Scrub lightly, rinse, and dry. Most of us clean our rings every day or every couple of days depending on what we've been
doing. Especially in this time of having to constantly put on hand sanitizer.

Take your ring outside on a sunny day and go under a tree where you can catch a little sun. Play around with it and you should be able
to create some fire. My stones do not fire in most areas of my house due to lighting. Clean stone and the right lighting are the keys to fire.

Most conditions are not good for fire but when you do hit the right conditions it should send off some sparks.

Your stone is not H&A. H&A is a level of cutting precision that you usually have to pay more for.

There is really nothing more that we can tell you about your stone without Aset Images, Idealscope images, and H&A images.
Your stone has decent numbers but GIA does round.

Are you out of the 30-day return policy?

I asked the vendor to send me the ideal or ASET to me first before the shipping. But they didn’t. I was angry at that time. It had already exceeded the 30 day return policy for few days.

I really would like to know if H&A has a high reflection on fire? And if it is really totally overwhelmed mine?

How could I know my diamond is not H&A? Is it because we can’t see the black arrows on the photo and video?

Sounds like if you are in the return period you should consider returning the diamond. But only if you can compare several diamonds in person and pick the one your eyes like the best. Otherwise you are likely to receive a new diamond that looks the same as this diamond. All we can say for sure is that the numbers look good and the diamond looks like it should in the video. You are the one seeing it in real life. Perhaps you need to return this diamond and buy a diamond locally where you can compare the fire of several stones and pick the one you like.

I am in a difficult situation now cuz my wedding is suddenly came beforehand within two weeks.

This is what I suggest to you, if you need confirmation of the cut and performance of your diamond. Take this diamond to an appraiser. One who is not trying to sell you a diamond. Ask this person their opinion and take your GIA certification with you.

We have tried to tell you your diamond is lovely. You seem to be unconvinced this is a good diamond. I don't think this site can help you further because we are talking in circles. An evaluation by a GIA-certified appraiser near you will help you to evaluate this diamond and see if the performance is subpar for some reason. In your mind, if this is not a good diamond, it does not matter what strangers tell you on the internet.

Edit: I worry this post with seeming harsh, but I am intending to be pragmatic and help you solve your problem of concern for this diamond.

I would ask you to consider your finance. Most important, and way more important than how you feel - how does she feel? She is the one to love and wear it.

She loves it. But I don’t know if she just doesn’t want to make me feel sad.
It’s a long story and I want to give her the best that I can give.
I think the most concern maybe the H&A. Cuz I don’t know if it is really different in the colorful fire if a diamond has H&A.

 

[MMtwo]

You could absolutely kill this moment for your finance and cause her to look at her finger with disappointment. Not that ANYTHING is wrong with the ring or diamond, but that you are unsatisfied with the diamond. It will taint the entire experience for her.

It sounds like you went somewhere and a salesman completely sabotaged your ring in your mind to sell you a new one.

 

[Lula]

Diamonds without hearts and arrows can show fire. Emerald cuts, Old European cut diamonds, etc., do not have hearts and arrows and show fire.

Arrows are typically not black when viewing your diamond under normal lighting conditions. They are a pale silver. But many times I cannot see the arrows in my diamond at all.

If you want to see your diamond's arrows, you can order a hearts and arrows viewer from Amazon.com.

I agree with @MMtwo -- you are risking spoiling your girlfriend's happiness and your upcoming wedding with your worries about this diamond. This is a special time in your life -- please try to enjoy it and put your worries about the ring and the diamond aside.

 

[Dancing Fire]

IMO, The biggest test you can do with a diamond is to go dining in a low lighting restaurant and view your stone under the table to see how will it performs. You'll still see sparkles in a well cut stone. All the stones below are H&A cuts.

 

[MMtwo]

IMO, The biggest test you can do with a diamond is to go dining in a low lighting restaurant and view your stone under the table to see how will it performs. You'll still see sparkles in a well cut stone. All the stones below are H&A cuts.

DF, I love your tension (or tension illusion) ring.

 

[ringo865]

“Vendor” is a seller of diamonds, other than the seller of your diamond. Vendor wants your money. Vendor says your diamond is not as good as Vendor diamonds so you will buy a Vendor diamond so Vendor gets your money. This is a tactic to manipulate your money into “vendor’s” pocket. Then what, he will buy your “subpar” diamond? If it is so crappy, how could he sell it? Tactic.

HCA does not equal H&A. You can have a beautifully cut diamond that scores well on the HCA, but might not also be H&A. Still can be a beautiful Stone. You have one of these.

H&A does not equal Fire. Fire is when light enters the diamond and as it comes back out after hitting a pavilion facet, it breaks up into the colors of a rainbow. H&A stones can do this, but so can other very well cut non-H&A stones. You have one of these. Go into a Home Depot or Costco and your diamond will probably shine like you never thought.

Also, clean it every day with dawn and a baby toothbrush. Clean the bottom, sides, and top. Dry thoroughly. Diamonds are grease magnets, meaning when you use soap to wash your hands, shampoo and conditioner in the shower, rub lotion or oil on your body, that all sticks to the diamond. Good thing is that it comes right off with a light scrub with dawn. Make sure it’s dried thoroughly. Sparkle bomb!

And last, your insecurities about this diamond are going to project on to your gf. She likely has enough stress right now with your wedding being two weeks away. She doesn’t need to stress out that you think her diamond is garbage. IT IS A GOOD DIAMOND. However, if you are still worried about it AFTER the wedding, even though many many many diamond connoisseurs and even trades people on here have tried to reassure you that you GOT A GOOD DIAMOND, then simply offer to give her an “upgrade” for your one-year anniversary. But this time, go to Whiteflash or High Performance Diamonds, or Brian Gavin or Victor Canera or Distinctive Gems. AND COME HERE FIRST. You can put her (this) engagement diamond into a pendant that she can wear near her heart and you can get whatever you think is a “perfect” diamond from one of the super-ideal vendors. Then also “stop looking”... there will ALWAYS be a bigger, nicer, whiter, more expensive diamond out there. Doesn’t mean that the one you have is subpar. Some people don’t even have diamonds. Just like there is always a bigger house, smarter kid, nicer car, less weedy lawn... be grateful for what you have. Some people don’t even have houses or kids or cars or lawns.

 

[Ionysis]

I don’t mean to be horrible but if I was your fiancé I’d be more worried that my intended husband was fretting manically about a perfectly good diamond and appears to be off the scale anxious for no good reason.

Are you sure you aren’t projecting your anxiety about the whole wedding thing or other issues into this stone?

In my opinion you seriously need to relax and stop obsessing. This is pretty off the scale. Just try to relax and enjoy the important thing -getting married!

 

[munchee]

@D650 Apart from whether its a good diamond or not, whether its a mistake or not, there’s absolutely nothing you can do right now, you can’t return this diamond. Whether is a good buy or not, at this point you need to accept it as what it is. If you’re not satisfied with this diamond because you think you can do better, just like what @ringo865 said, get her a new ring/upgrade from Super Ideal vendors for anniversary/birthday and turn this stone as a pendant or right hand ring. There’s no such thing as too many diamond or too many jewelry, only not enough diamond/jewelry. Just enjoy your big event coming up, don’t worry too much, you have a lifetime to makeup for this if you think this is a mistake. There are so many regrets in life, but this is something that you can fix later on, don’t let it ruin your moment!

 

[twosanguinehearts]

The full story is that I brought the loose diamond in a lower price. I thought I was lucky maybe.

After I received it, I mounted it on a ring and went to shopping for wedding rings in Cartier. I found the diamonds in cartier had more colorful fire than mine.

I went to a vendor and compared their diamonds side by side. I realized that the light return maybe at the same level but the vendor’s diamond had a colorful fire. Also, I could see the arrows of the vendor’s diamond had high reflection. But I could not find mine’s arrows.

The vendor said mine is not very excellent. It’s just above the average. And the H&A of my diamond is not good.

After I bought the diamond and mounted it on a ring, I examined the diamond under the sunlight twice when I met my gf. As I remembered, I could see light return without fire (maybe little fire) and the arrows.

Is it possible that a very good data (my diamond) even don’t have H&A?

Is it possible that a diamond with high light return but with very very low fire?

Does the H&A really affect the fire?

I didn’t think I am a lucky man. But I bought the diamond in a price of around USD 6,500. Does it has any tricky things? Thank you for your help.

Don’t compare your stone to the ones in the Cartier store. They have specific lighting that would make any diamond fire up. That’s the misleading thing about looking at a stone in a retail store - they’re pulling out all the stops to make the diamond look its best. It’s very likely that most of those stones would never be that sparkly again in real world environments!