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http://www.cnn.com/2012/12/21/justice/iowa-irresistible-worker/index.html?hpt=hp_t1

(CNN) -- Can a boss fire an employee he finds attractive because he and his wife, fairly or not, see her as a threat to their marriage?
Yes, the Iowa Supreme Court ruled Friday.

"The question we must answer is ... whether an employee who has not engaged in flirtatious conduct may be lawfully terminated simply because the boss views the employee as an irresistible attraction," Justice Edward M. Mansfield wrote for the all-male high court.
Such firings may not be fair, but they do not constitute unlawful discrimination under the Iowa Civil Rights Act, the decision read, siding with a lower court.

An attorney for Melissa Nelson, the fired employee, said the decision was wrong.
"We are appalled by the court's ruling and its failure to understand the nature of gender bias," said Paige Fiedler, the attorney. "For the seven men on the Iowa Supreme Court not to 'get it' is shocking and disheartening. It underscores the need for judges on the bench to be diverse in terms of their gender, race and life experiences."

The case concerns her client's employment as a dental assistant. Nelson worked for James Knight in 1999 and stayed for more than 10 years at the Fort Dodge business.
Toward the end of her employment, Knight complained to Nelson her clothing was tight and "distracting," the decision read. She denied her clothes were inappropriate.

At one point, Knight told Nelson that "if she saw his pants bulging, she would know her clothing was too revealing," the decision read.
At another point, in response to an alleged comment Nelson made about the infrequency of her sex life, Knight responded: [T]hat's like having a Lamborghini in the garage and never driving it."

During the last six months of Nelson's employment, Nelson and Knight, both married with children, started sending text messages to each other outside of work. Neither objected to the texting.

Knight's wife, who was employed at the same dental office, found out about those messages in late 2009 and demanded he fire Nelson.
In early 2010, he did just that. In the presence of a pastor, Knight told Nelson she had become a "detriment" to his family and that for the sakes of both their families, they should no longer work together, the decision read. Knight gave Nelson one month's severance.
In a subsequent conversation between Knight and Nelson's husband, Knight said Nelson had done nothing wrong and that "she was the best dental assistant he ever had," the decision read.

Nelson filed a lawsuit, contending that Knight fired her because of her gender. She did not say he committed sexual harassment.
In response, Knight argued that Nelson was fired because of the "nature of their relationship and the perceived threat" to his marriage, not because of her gender. In fact, he said, Knight only employs women and replaced Nelson with another female employee.
A district court sided with Knight; Nelson appealed.

"As we have indicated above, the issue before us is not whether a jury could find that Dr. Knight treated Nelson badly," read the high court's decision.

"We are asked to decide only if a genuine fact issue exists as to whether Dr. Knight engaged in unlawful gender discrimination when he fired Nelson at the request of his wife. For the reasons previously discussed, we believe this conduct did not amount to unlawful discrimination, and therefore we affirm the judgment of the district court."
 
kenny|1356217260|3338248 said:
At one point, Knight told Nelson that "if she saw his pants bulging, she would know her clothing was too revealing," the decision read.
At another point, in response to an alleged comment Nelson made about the infrequency of her sex life, Knight responded: [T]hat's like having a Lamborghini in the garage and never driving it."
:lol: ...anyhow,IMO, she is not beautiful.
 
HI:

Slow news day.....

cheers--Sharon
 
They said on the news she'd worked there 10 years. So NOW she's too pretty? :eek:
 
Exactly, JF. Unless she's rocked some awesome cosmetic surgery lately...something's off. Perhaps they were already having a proper affair and neither will admit it. So wrong, a terrible state SC precedent to make.
 
During the last six months of Nelson's employment, Nelson and Knight, both married with children, started sending text messages to each other outside of work. Neither objected to the texting.

Knight's wife, who was employed at the same dental office, found out about those messages in late 2009 and demanded he fire Nelson.


Yup, it's all right there. She wasn't a threat because she was suddenly "too attractive," she was a threat because something was a-brewing in those last months. Of course the wife wanted her out, I don't blame her! I think this woman is daft. The ONLY thing she had on this guy was sexual harassment but she didn't go after that, she goes for gender discrimination when he hires only female dental assistants. It's a family owned business - did she really think she could risk having the wife find out about the text messaging and keep her job? I think she should have kept quiet and have been grateful for the severance pay. She's going to have a hard time getting hired as a dental assistant in that town.
 
The whole affair is too transparent; she definitely brought him to court under the incorrect charge.
 
Indeed. The ruling (and the issue) seems hardly related to what the real matter may be. The real problem between employer and employee is not germane to what the court was deciding. That, however, does not make their ruling any less weird. With equal protection under the law I can only imagine people in Iowa now being fired also for being too ugly. And not addressed is the issue of who judges the line between pretty and too pretty? If it is a judgement call by the firing employer, then anyone can be fired as long as the boss is willing to say he/she is too turned on by the employee. What is wrong is not the effect on her case, but the precedent this judgement sets. Now in Iowa anyone can be fired for anything, including nothing, with the added insult that they are ugly, or perhaps ironically pretty. Pretty ugly.
 
What's next? Fired for being too tall / short?
 
The implications of this ruling is mind boggling.

I am sure now that the Iowa State Supreme Court has decided what the interpretation of the current law is.... That the Iowa Legislature will change the law next year to be more inclusive and to clarify exactly what they want it to mean.

I am also sure that this case was really a "test case" just to challenge the law as no one really knows what laws mean until they have judicial review and history.

This lady is still free to sue under Sexual Discrimination as long as it is within the allowed time period. That would much more likely have a different outcome.

Perry
 
According to the linked article:
"We are asked to decide only if a genuine fact issue exists as to whether Dr. Knight engaged in unlawful gender discrimination when he fired Nelson at the request of his wife. For the reasons previously discussed, we believe this conduct did not amount to unlawful discrimination, and therefore we affirm the judgment of the district court."

So does that really set a precedent for the legality of firing someone for being too attractive? It doesn't sound that way to me, but I'm not a lawyer.

The business owners didn't handle this "professionally". Once the wife wanted her out (and for the reasons she did), they should have cut the hygienist's hours so that she was not working at the same time as the dentist, then found some nitpicky thing wrong with her performance, then put her on a performance plan that was impossible to adhere to, then offer her 6 months severance pay. Their mistake was being honest in saying why she had to go.
 
Maria D|1356272317|3338495 said:
According to the linked article:
"We are asked to decide only if a genuine fact issue exists as to whether Dr. Knight engaged in unlawful gender discrimination when he fired Nelson at the request of his wife. For the reasons previously discussed, we believe this conduct did not amount to unlawful discrimination, and therefore we affirm the judgment of the district court."

So does that really set a precedent for the legality of firing someone for being too attractive? It doesn't sound that way to me, but I'm not a lawyer.

The business owners didn't handle this "professionally". Once the wife wanted her out (and for the reasons she did), they should have cut the hygienist's hours so that she was not working at the same time as the dentist, then found some nitpicky thing wrong with her performance, then put her on a performance plan that was impossible to adhere to, then offer her 6 months severance pay. Their mistake was being honest in saying why she had to go.


These devious, contrived tactics to undermine an employee's performance would be as reprehensible as firing her for being too attractive. What the wife should have done is divorced the louse of a husband who's only moral compass is in his pants. As it is she got rid of a symptom only, still has the disease and now unpleasant side effects from the symptom masking.
 
VapidLapid|1356273621|3338508 said:
Maria D|1356272317|3338495 said:
According to the linked article:
"We are asked to decide only if a genuine fact issue exists as to whether Dr. Knight engaged in unlawful gender discrimination when he fired Nelson at the request of his wife. For the reasons previously discussed, we believe this conduct did not amount to unlawful discrimination, and therefore we affirm the judgment of the district court."

So does that really set a precedent for the legality of firing someone for being too attractive? It doesn't sound that way to me, but I'm not a lawyer.

The business owners didn't handle this "professionally". Once the wife wanted her out (and for the reasons she did), they should have cut the hygienist's hours so that she was not working at the same time as the dentist, then found some nitpicky thing wrong with her performance, then put her on a performance plan that was impossible to adhere to, then offer her 6 months severance pay. Their mistake was being honest in saying why she had to go.


These devious, contrived tactics to undermine an employee's performance would be as reprehensible as firing her for being too attractive. What the wife should have done is divorced the louse of a husband who's only moral compass is in his pants. As it is she got rid of a symptom only, still has the disease and now unpleasant side effects from the symptom masking.

I agree with you that the husband was/is an ass, but I wouldn't presume to tell a woman whether or not she should divorce her husband. These are the reprehensible contrived tactics that corporations use when they deem it necessary to get rid of someone whose presence is causing a problem for the business as a whole. And that's what this hygienist's presence was doing. Not because the dentist found her so attractive but because he could say outrageous things to her (check out my pants bulge, seriously???) and her response was not to cry sexual harassment but to engage in after work text messaging. Why on earth did she want to continue working there? She didn't have a problem with his behavior until she was fired?
 
Yeeeaaahhhh.

This is never gonna be a problem for me. :rolleyes:
 
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