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Will you buy a diamond with an eReport - no hard copy?

Garry H (Cut Nut)

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GIA has begun a new service - maybe its already been discussed?

e-copy cert's without a physical copy - see the text copied from GIA below.
Its green, and easy to communicate. Same info etc.
I wonder how many of you diamond junkies would be happy with this?
It will save cost and the environment. And it means we in the trade are less likely to mix up certs and diamonds.

Would love to know your feelings

http://www.gia.edu/lab-reports-services/diamonds/diamond-reports/index.html
GIA Diamond eReport
The GIA Diamond eReport, a digital-only report, provides the same impartial and exacting grading results you’ll find on other GIA reports. The report includes a graphic representation of the diamond’s proportions, and the added feature of a detailed face up image of the diamond captured during the grading process. Paperless and therefore environmentally friendly, the GIA Diamond eReport is accessible online via Report Check, GIA’s secure web-based report database, making the report always accessible and shareable. This service is available for natural, untreated diamonds in the D-to-Z color range that weigh from 0.15 to 2.99 carats.
 
i would not,b/c it'll be harder for me to sell the stone w/o a hard copy.
 
Dancing Fire|1341389918|3228416 said:
i would not,b/c it'll be harder for me to sell the stone w/o a hard copy.
aha - but they have a real photo DF!!!!
check out the GIA sample!!
 
Garry H (Cut Nut)|1341386839|3228402 said:
GIA has begun a new service - maybe its already been discussed?

e-copy cert's without a physical copy - see the text copied from GIA below.
Its green, and easy to communicate. Same info etc.
I wonder how many of you diamond junkies would be happy with this?
It will save cost and the environment. And it means we in the trade are less likely to mix up certs and diamonds.

Would love to know your feelings

http://www.gia.edu/lab-reports-services/diamonds/diamond-reports/index.html
GIA Diamond eReport
The GIA Diamond eReport, a digital-only report, provides the same impartial and exacting grading results you’ll find on other GIA reports. The report includes a graphic representation of the diamond’s proportions, and the added feature of a detailed face up image of the diamond captured during the grading process. Paperless and therefore environmentally friendly, the GIA Diamond eReport is accessible online via Report Check, GIA’s secure web-based report database, making the report always accessible and shareable. This service is available for natural, untreated diamonds in the D-to-Z color range that weigh from 0.15 to 2.99 carats.

Definitely! The pic is a bonus - can't read too much into it, but it's nice to have! I scan everything anyway - I don't have a clue where the hard copy for my centerstone is now, a couple years and cross-country move later... This way I wouldn't need to re-order a paper copy should I ever need it - the Ereport *is* the authoritative report.
 
Garry H (Cut Nut)|1341390184|3228417 said:
Dancing Fire|1341389918|3228416 said:
i would not,b/c it'll be harder for me to sell the stone w/o a hard copy.
aha - but they have a real photo DF!!!!
check out the GIA sample!!
Garry
i wouldn't have any problem if i were to sell the stone back to a vendor,but i'll have a hard time convicing another consumer w/o a hard copy report.
 
I am not a consumer, but I already explained in an earlier thread that I hate the potential for fraud that this new eReport offers.

To rephrase the question: would you accept if your government would abolish all physical ID's and only give you a virtual ID, accessible online?

If this GIA-report would become the norm in the marketplace, it is an open invitation for fraud. A dishonest dealer can take his uncertified H-SI1, find an electronic report for a G-VS2 with similar proportions, and easily present the stone with that new GIA-identity. The potential of being caught are minimal, also because the fees and procedures to get a paper-copy of the report are discouraging.

Live long,
 
Paul-Antwerp|1341398999|3228438 said:
I am not a consumer, but I already explained in an earlier thread that I hate the potential for fraud that this new eReport offers.

To rephrase the question: would you accept if your government would abolish all physical ID's and only give you a virtual ID, accessible online?

If this GIA-report would become the norm in the marketplace, it is an open invitation for fraud. A dishonest dealer can take his uncertified H-SI1, find an electronic report for a G-VS2 with similar proportions, and easily present the stone with that new GIA-identity. The potential of being caught are minimal, also because the fees and procedures to get a paper-copy of the report are discouraging.

Live long,
Is there a laser inscription Paul?
 
I would prefer a hard copy. If you are dealing with an out of state client they are going to think something is up if you don't provide all the paperwork. The hard copies run a little more but it is better to have peace of mind.
 
Paul-Antwerp|1341403096|3228448 said:
Thanks Paul, I was just going to hunt that down and you saved me some work.
I haven't changed my mind about it since the earlier thread.
I like the pic and wish they would add it for all reports, the rest not so much.
To me the bottom line is good idea, bad implementation.
 
Never. This is a terrible idea
 
Yssie|1341424320|3228569 said:
I missed that somehow.
That'd be a deal-breaker.
Why wouldn't they include an inclusion plot?
none of the value reports include one, it is likely the most expensive part of a regular report in terms of what it costs the lab to produce it.
They need to require inscription and maybe some kind of micro-inscription that is harder to duplicate than a girdle inscription.
 
More green?
Someone in the diamond-grading industry is talking about being "more green"?
Sorry, but let's, uhm, keep this in perspective.

Saving the earth by eliminating one sheet of laminated paper?
Gimme a BREAK!

Ever seen an open pit diamond mine?

open_pit.png
 
Karl_K|1341425862|3228581 said:
Yssie|1341424320|3228569 said:
I missed that somehow.
That'd be a deal-breaker.
Why wouldn't they include an inclusion plot?
none of the value reports include one, it is likely the most expensive part of a regular report in terms of what it costs the lab to produce it.
They need to require inscription and maybe some kind of micro-inscription that is harder to duplicate than a girdle inscription.
I'm sure this is correct. And the second most expensive peice to produce is that laminated sheet of paper.
 
Karl_K|1341403452|3228453 said:
Paul-Antwerp|1341403096|3228448 said:
Thanks Paul, I was just going to hunt that down and you saved me some work.
I haven't changed my mind about it since the earlier thread.
I like the pic and wish they would add it for all reports, the rest not so much.
To me the bottom line is good idea, bad implementation.
yup!!.. :appl:
 
I don't know. There are certain things you don't want to leave to e-copy. This might be one of them. I don't know. Maybe if they give you the option of hard copy for an additional 10 bucks or so, maybe.
 
I am likely to print out the report if not provided a hard copy, so i'm not sure how much this is going to help the environment.

To answer your question, yes I will buy a diamond with an eReport from reputable vendor.
 
Gypsy|1341468867|3228788 said:
I don't know. There are certain things you don't want to leave to e-copy. This might be one of them. I don't know. Maybe if they give you the option of hard copy for an additional 10 bucks or so, maybe.

How about the option of eReport at 10 bucks less?
 
I would not. I require a physical copy. And that's non-negotiable.
 
The argument that this is some sort of environmental initiative seems clearly like whitewash (ok, greenwash). It’s about money. By eliminating the printed report, the inscription and the plot, they can and do offer the service a little bit cheaper. It also reduces costs for some of the people downstream like the dealers who ship or carry around those documents. A diamond weighs 1/5 of a gram or so and take up basically no room in a safe. All of that packaging bumps that up to the neighborhood of 50 grams and a stack of just a dozen of them is several inches thick. That may not matter for a consumer but for a dealer who is shuffling 1000 of the things it’s significant. It’s even more for the AGS-platinum. Storage costs go up, shipping goes up, handling goes up, and the piece of paper itself is the part that’s most prone to wear by showing the stone to people for sale. It’s a little hard to estimate what the savings are and to whom, and some of it WILL pass through to the end consumer, but this is about green as in money, not green as in the environment.
 
denverappraiser|1341500396|3228914 said:
The argument that this is some sort of environmental initiative seems clearly like whitewash (ok, greenwash). It’s about money. By eliminating the printed report, the inscription and the plot, they can and do offer the service a little bit cheaper. It also reduces costs for some of the people downstream like the dealers who ship or carry around those documents. A diamond weighs 1/5 of a gram or so and take up basically no room in a safe. All of that packaging bumps that up to the neighborhood of 50 grams and a stack of just a dozen of them is several inches thick. That may not matter for a consumer but for a dealer who is shuffling 1000 of the things it’s significant. It’s even more for the AGS-platinum. Storage costs go up, shipping goes up, handling goes up, and the piece of paper itself is the part that’s most prone to wear by showing the stone to people for sale. It’s a little hard to estimate what the savings are and to whom, and some of it WILL pass through to the end consumer, but this is about green as in money, not green as in the environment.
So then provide the report on paper AND eReport and keep the paper at GIA for pulling after the diamond sells to the consumer.
 
denverappraiser|1341500396|3228914 said:
The argument that this is some sort of environmental initiative seems clearly like whitewash (ok, greenwash). It’s about money. By eliminating the printed report, the inscription and the plot, they can and do offer the service a little bit cheaper. It also reduces costs for some of the people downstream like the dealers who ship or carry around those documents. A diamond weighs 1/5 of a gram or so and take up basically no room in a safe. All of that packaging bumps that up to the neighborhood of 50 grams and a stack of just a dozen of them is several inches thick. That may not matter for a consumer but for a dealer who is shuffling 1000 of the things it’s significant. It’s even more for the AGS-platinum. Storage costs go up, shipping goes up, handling goes up, and the piece of paper itself is the part that’s most prone to wear by showing the stone to people for sale. It’s a little hard to estimate what the savings are and to whom, and some of it WILL pass through to the end consumer, but this is about green as in money, not green as in the environment.

Neil this is a big problem for dealers who go to trade fairs on the other side of the world with hundreds or even thousands or reports. If they could just have all on an iPad they would probably save a lot of time and energy.

Thanks everyone for your views - BTW my sales staff are also unimpressed.

So next question.................

If plots and laser inscription were provided (or better still a high tech non removable marking) would we be happy little vegemites?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0yA98MujNeM
 
Garry H (Cut Nut)|1341541716|3229290 said:
If plots and laser inscription were provided (or better still a high tech non removable marking) would we be happy little vegemites?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0yA98MujNeM
As a consumer I'd be happy with an e-report if it included plots and laser inscriptions.

I scan all of our important documents anyway, so this would save me a step. (And some room in my filing cabinet--I HATE cleaning that thing out every year! It's so much easier to just delete old documents from my computer.)
 
No way. The stone, the cert, the inscription is all one nice neat package. Can you imagine the new "labs" that would pop up with the e-certs that say gosh knows what and push to consumers? The AGS or GIA paper is like a Microsoft Hologram sticker for authenticity.

Further, when going for an insurance claim, I would be interested to know if JM or Chubs would accept an e-cert. Also, if an appraiser was doing an appraisal for a stone without the plot to verify on a e-cert, would it be a MORE expensive appraisal?

I agree with Denverappraiser :
The argument that this is some sort of environmental initiative seems clearly like whitewash (ok, greenwash).

It's just a way to save GIA money. That's about it.
 
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