apacherose
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I'm interested to hear if she spoke with a rep over the phone or her agent or a CSR or something. Not that there aren't good agents out there but a lot of then don't know what they are talking about.JoCoJenn|1419823759|3808955 said:I have usaa and my jewelry is insured for appraised amounts. Did you go onto their site & upload the docs/description or call them to insure the items? I am very interested in how this plays out and why.![]()
JoCoJenn|1419823759|3808955 said:I have usaa and my jewelry is insured for appraised amounts. Did you go onto their site & upload the docs/description or call them to insure the items? I am very interested in how this plays out and why.![]()
apacherose|1419840650|3809002 said:JoCoJenn|1419823759|3808955 said:I have usaa and my jewelry is insured for appraised amounts. Did you go onto their site & upload the docs/description or call them to insure the items? I am very interested in how this plays out and why.![]()
That is what is so strange!
My other items insured with them are the appraisal values.
I have gotten a quote from Jewelers Mutual, and I am going to also get one from Chubbs. Concerning USAA, I just am baffled as to why:
a) I get different answers from different representatives- on insurance values and replacement policies, as to whether or not the items are covered during shipping, etc. and, yes, all the folks I have spoken with are in the valuable personal property division of the insurance department (they have a VPP team, internationally trained people, as well as an offline team, who communicate in writing)
b) why my other rings and items were all made to be insured at the appraisal value, and now the change???
SB621|1419843341|3809005 said:Ummm...I'm not sure about this. I have used USAA for almost a decade with my jewelry. I have also only worked with 1 person by request for all my jewelry issues (adding stuff, deleting from policy, changing values etc) and I have never had any issues. I think the detail that is missing here is what is the dollar amount you are trying to insure for. If you bought something for 5k but it appraised for 15k that will be a red flag to them and you will need additional supporting documentation. For anything over 25k you can't add it online but will need to speak to a representative and get 2 managers up approvals to add. Also if it is a diamond over 1ct without a GIA/ EGL/ AGL report they don't like to take appraisals, but want the report number and then your receipt. I recommend the next time you call you get the name and agent number of who you work with and they only work with them on your VPP. For what it is worth I have LOVED USAA. I have filed several lost/ stolen claims with them over the years they have always been super easy to deal with. once again I have just kept the name of the agent and only work through her. goodluck!
JoCoJenn|1419824343|3808959 said:Agree Niel. I called and asked to speak with a specialist in jewelry insurance when I initiated my policy. Since then, I have just been able to add items & upload appraisals to the website to add them to my policy. But your point about making a claim on the policy is a good/valid one. I might call JM for a quote and see how it stacks up. I do know my items are fully covered against all perils, and usaa has always been good to me, so I feel comfortable with them covering my assets.
Chubb no longer does jewelry standalone policies. So you probably will not get a quote unless you're willing to move your house and cars to them.apacherose|1419840650|3809002 said:JoCoJenn|1419823759|3808955 said:I have usaa and my jewelry is insured for appraised amounts. Did you go onto their site & upload the docs/description or call them to insure the items? I am very interested in how this plays out and why.![]()
That is what is so strange!
My other items insured with them are the appraisal values.
I have gotten a quote from Jewelers Mutual, and I am going to also get one from Chubbs. Concerning USAA, I just am baffled as to why:
a) I get different answers from different representatives- on insurance values and replacement policies, as to whether or not the items are covered during shipping, etc. and, yes, all the folks I have spoken with are in the valuable personal property division of the insurance department (they have a VPP team, internationally trained people, as well as an offline team, who communicate in writing)
b) why my other rings and items were all made to be insured at the appraisal value, and now the change???
denverappraiser|1419875614|3809162 said:I interact with USAA regularly, and they're very cooperative. There's more to this story. Here are a few options I can think of:
1) They have a problem with the appraiser. Lack of credentials is usually the issue here. They like appraisers with qualifications and, frankly, most don't have anything at all or just a GG (which is a gemological credential, not an appraisal one). If this is the problem, they should be prepared to tell you what they're looking for.
2) The underwriter thinks the replacement value is out of line. Not that this is any of their business. Assuming they're accepting the appraiser as an expert, they are bound by their report. That said, sometimes appraisers put some pretty crazy values on things and they may be doing you a favor to reject it.
3) The report itself is inadequate in some way. Lack of photos, unclear description, missing data, wrong value definition, wrong date and the like. As with the above, they should be happy to tell you what the problem is if this is the case.
4) They have a problem with the item itself. Antiques can be an issue because they're difficult to replace and pre-existing damage can get you kicked out of the system. Once again, the agent should be able to tell you if this is the issue.
5) The agent you're talking to is either untrained or doesn't understand the question. Talk to a supervisor.
LoveLikeCrazy|1419858575|3809048 said:JoCoJenn|1419824343|3808959 said:Agree Niel. I called and asked to speak with a specialist in jewelry insurance when I initiated my policy. Since then, I have just been able to add items & upload appraisals to the website to add them to my policy. But your point about making a claim on the policy is a good/valid one. I might call JM for a quote and see how it stacks up. I do know my items are fully covered against all perils, and usaa has always been good to me, so I feel comfortable with them covering my assets.
We have had our jewelry insured by USAA, but i did not like the way they listed my diamond (refused to put AGS 000, etc) and they also kept going back and forth on how the diamond would be replaced. I ended up getting a quote through jewelers mutual and it was much cheaper than USAA! We moved everything but my husband's rolex watches over there. In the case of the rolex - he ended up losing his and they replaced it within a few days through one of their distributors, so that worked out well.
doberman|1419972534|3809702 said:I agree with diamondseeker in that I insure for the cost of the item or cost to replace it. Otherwise the premiums are ridiculous when you add them all up. I notice that some people seem happy when insure their item for much more than it cost them based on an inflated appraisal. I don't get it, but to each his own.
apacherose|1419980916|3809774 said:doberman|1419972534|3809702 said:I agree with diamondseeker in that I insure for the cost of the item or cost to replace it. Otherwise the premiums are ridiculous when you add them all up. I notice that some people seem happy when insure their item for much more than it cost them based on an inflated appraisal. I don't get it, but to each his own.
Just to be clear my concerns revolve around whether I will be able to replace my jewelry in the event of a loss.
Furthermore I got an evaluation by an independent appraiser, who deliberately tries not to inflate values.
The difference in premium to be fully covered for the appraisal replacement value vs. the retail value, is, in my case, well worth the peace of mind. That, as you say, is a personal decision. And, as with all insurance purposes, you buy and pay for the peace of mind you are individually comfortable with, for your budget and risk tolerance.
My purpose in starting the thread was to ascertain whether others who use USAA have dealt with this issue and insight into the process, not a general inquiry on what level of coverage individuals maintain on their valuables, or cars or life etc.
As Oldminer stated above, my issues with coverage through USAA have been resolved.
therainbowradish|1442729077|3929747 said:I actually just went through a total loss claim with USAA and boy I'll tell you they had me sweating. They insisted that they would find me a new old European diamond with their in house diamond replacement department. I was very leery of their ability to replace my diamond with a comparable stone. The representative told me that if they could not find a diamond of like kind they would cash me out at their wholesale cost in other words what it would cost them to buy the same stone. That would be of no use to me because I am NOT in the trade and can't buy wholesale . He then gave me a lecture on how appraisals are inflated and that throughout the process claim they would be readjusted my appraisal to reflect a more accurate value. How they would determine that, I have no idea. They took one week to find the ugliest old European I have ever seen. I turned it down and kindly requested that they work with a vendor of my choosing who specialized in antique cuts. I provided them with a very extensive list of comparable stones any of which I would be happy to accept. A few days went by and I received a call that they had decided to cash me out at full appraisal value. I was shocked. I literally dropped the phone when I heard the message. After all the stress of thinking that I would not be getting a stone of the same caliber or that they would cash me out at a much lower rate which would not allow me to get a stone of equal or like kind they really surprised me. I don't know why they put me through that song and dance when they ended up doing exactly what they said they would from the beginning. At the time of taking out the policy they assured me they would replace at the appraisal value, and guess what? They did! They also allowed me to insure my new ring with them at appraisal value without an issue.
diamondseeker2006|1419910488|3809426 said:I always insure for purchase price as that is how much it would cost me to replace, especially when there is inflation protection built in. If they allow an additional 25% over what you paid to replace a like item, I am not sure why you'd want to pay higher premiums? There is no need.
kenny|1442884645|3930390 said:I don't blame an insurer for refusing to honor so-called appraisals.
Diamond appraisals are BS.
Even the ones that came with the diamonds I've bought stated the diamond is worth about 40% more than I just paid.![]()
HELLO!![]()
You pay $10,000.
Appraisal states $14,000.
You insure it for $14,000.
There is a loss.
Since you can replace it for $10,000 why should the insurance company pay you $14,000?