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WHO Warns Against Using Artificial Sweeteners

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I avoid sugar and HFCD, and now have stopped using Trivia.
Now I use 1/4 teaspoon demerara sugar for a cup of coffee.


Continued consumption doesn’t reduce weight and could increase the risk of Type 2 diabetes, cardiovascular diseases and mortality in adults, the W.H.O. said on Monday.

By April Rubin, May 15, 2023Updated 4:30 p.m. ET

The World Health Organization on Monday warned against using artificial sweeteners to control body weight or reduce the risk of noncommunicable diseases, saying that long-term use is not effective and could pose health risks.

These alternatives to sugar, when consumed long term, do not serve to reduce body fat in either adults or children, the W.H.O. said in a recommendation, adding that continued consumption could increase the risk of Type 2 diabetes, cardiovascular diseases and mortality in adults.

“The recommendation applies to all people except individuals with pre-existing diabetes and includes all synthetic and naturally occurring or modified nonnutritive sweeteners that are not classified as sugars found in manufactured foods and beverages, or sold on their own to be added to foods and beverages by consumers,” the W.H.O. said.

The W.H.O. recommendation is based on a review of available evidence, the agency said, and is part of a set of guidelines for healthy diets being rolled out.

Some examples of the sweeteners include aspartame, saccharin, sucralose and stevia. The W.H.O.’s announcement contradicts previous studies that have said these sweeteners don’t offer any health benefits but also do not cause harm.

Nutrition research is constantly evolving and findings are being updated with stronger data, said Stephanie McBurnett, a registered dietitian and nutrition educator with the Physicians Committee for Responsible Medicine. Examining the effects of saturated fats and other parts of people’s diets may provide more insight into the overall reasons behind some health issues that have been blamed on sugar.

"It’s not surprising to me that the World Health Organization didn’t find really any difference in health benefits between a regular soda and a diet soda,” said Ms. Burnett, who is also a licensed dietitian and nutritionist. “They’re both processed foods.” She added, “If you look at what’s driving these chronic diseases like heart disease, diabetes, obesity, sugar is not always the only factor.”

The recommendation from the W.H.O. does not directly affect any individual country’s policy. The U.S. Food and Drug Administration, for example, might take this guidance into account and institute its own concerns or tweak labeling, Ms. McBurnett said. But it is not under any obligation to do so, either.

The F.D.A. did not immediately respond to a request for comment.

The International Sweeteners Association, a nonprofit organization that represents the industry, called the W.H.O.’s recommendation a disservice to consumers

"Low/no calorie sweeteners are one of the most thoroughly researched ingredients in the world and continue to be a helpful tool to manage obesity, diabetes and dental diseases,” the association said in a statement. “They offer consumers an alternative to reduce sugar and calorie intake with the sweet taste they know and expect.”

The W.H.O.’s recommendation is currently considered conditional, the organization said.

“This signals that policy decisions based on this recommendation may require substantive discussion in specific country contexts, linked for example to the extent of consumption in different age groups,” the statement said.

The recommendation doesn’t extend as far as personal care and hygiene products that include artificial sugars such as toothpaste, skin creams and medications, the W.H.O. said. It also doesn’t include low-calorie sugars and sugar alcohols, which come from sugar itself.

“People need to consider other ways to reduce free sugars intake, such as consuming food with naturally occurring sugars, like fruit, or unsweetened food and beverages,” said Francesco Branca, the W.H.O. director for nutrition and food safety. He said that non-sugar sweeteners “are not essential dietary factors and have no nutritional value. People should reduce the sweetness of the diet altogether, starting early in life, to improve their health."
 
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I don't use anything but real sugar if I am going to use anything. That said, a 10 pound bag of sugar lasted about 4 years maybe 5? I figure with such small usage, the real stuff is not a problem!

For baking, applesauce works great to reduce sugar. Or use dates.
 
I don't use anything but real sugar if I am going to use anything. That said, a 10 pound bag of sugar lasted about 4 years maybe 5? I figure with such small usage, the real stuff is not a problem!

For baking, applesauce works great to reduce sugar. Or use dates.

+1, and Kudos!
 
What about Stevia, isn't that natural?
 
Thanks, @kenny this has been known by those of us in Med.
Glad it is now more widely publicised.
There are other negative effects too.
Cancer https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/35324894/
This is the boomerang effect - “data in both animal models and humans suggest that the effects of artificial sweeteners may contribute to metabolic syndrome and the obesity epidemic. data in both animal models and humans suggest that the effects of artificial sweeteners may contribute to metabolic syndrome and the obesity epidemic. Artificial sweeteners appear to change the host microbiome, lead to decreased satiety, and alter glucose homeostasis, and are associated with increased caloric consumption and weight gain.” https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/29159583/
So I am with you, @stracci2000 and @TooPatient.
@Gloria27 most of the studies see on common artificial sweeteners such as Sucralose, acesulfame K (ACE K), aspartame, and saccharin. Not so much on stevia.
 
@Gloria27 The WHO statement explicitly mentions stevia.
 
What about Stevia, isn't that natural?

"Natural"?
Using your supposed logic, snake venom is okay to put it in your morning coffee because it's natural.


I doubt America's FDA will act on the data the WHO is acting on.
American policy is too beholden to lobbyists for corporations.

Again, follow the money. :nono:
 
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"Natural"?
Using your supposed logic, snake venom is okay to put it in your morning coffee because it's natural.


I doubt America's FDA will act on the data the WHO is acting on.
American policy is too beholden to lobbyists for corporations.

Again, follow the money. :nono:
Nah mate, I'm using sugar or honey not artificial crap. I once had a Stevia Cola, twas nice but I don't drink that stuff everyday.

Y'all use chemicals (far far worse than some artificial swetener) on yourselves everyday but you like it cause it smells good.

So someone's gotta tell you it's bad for you, either NIH, FDA or whatever?
 
Okie Dokie, mate.
 
Y'all use chemicals (far far worse than some artificial swetener) on yourselves everyday but you like it cause it smells good.

Are you talking about perfume? Soap? Moisturizer? Not sure which or what you mean.
 
I used to drink so much diet soda. I swear aspartame is addicting, or at least it was to me. I quit cold turkey two years ago. Have I lost weight and feel so much better? No, not really. Nothing is really "free". I remember reading FDA studies that it's safe to consume and no harmful effects but never quite believed it. I knew there had to be a tradeoff to 'no calories'.
 
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/...se-new-chocolate-bars-75-sugar.htmlArtificial sweeteners taste like chemicals to me, so I don't use them.
Just real sugar in my tea.

agreed
they taste like sh*t was the first thng i thought reading Kenny's post

saw this on the net yesterday
they eve achknowlege we wont like it

 
Thanks, @kenny this has been known by those of us in Med.
Glad it is now more widely publicised.
There are other negative effects too.
Cancer https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/35324894/
This is the boomerang effect - “data in both animal models and humans suggest that the effects of artificial sweeteners may contribute to metabolic syndrome and the obesity epidemic. data in both animal models and humans suggest that the effects of artificial sweeteners may contribute to metabolic syndrome and the obesity epidemic. Artificial sweeteners appear to change the host microbiome, lead to decreased satiety, and alter glucose homeostasis, and are associated with increased caloric consumption and weight gain.” https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/29159583/
So I am with you, @stracci2000 and @TooPatient.
@Gloria27 most of the studies see on common artificial sweeteners such as Sucralose, acesulfame K (ACE K), aspartame, and saccharin. Not so much on stevia.

20 years ago (I cant rememeber who) a medical proffesional told the other half to avoid aspartimane (probably not spelt right)
 
20 years ago (I cant remember who) a medical professional told the other half to avoid aspartame (probably not spelt right)
Same here from several doctors over the years.
My current Endocrinologist recommends against all of the modified/artificial sweeteners and if someone don't like plain water to add a small amount of no sugar added fruit juice for flavor to a large glass of water.
The small amount of natural sugar in it is very much better for you than what is in any pop/soda diet or not.
She went as far as to say she had seen times when switching from regular soda to diet made no difference in blood sugar levels. With the disclaimer that people vary.
I miss my large bottle of Pepsi!!!!! but I like my diabetes under control even more!!
 
...

Y'all use chemicals (far far worse than some artificial swetener) on yourselves everyday ...

Very true.
Zillions of things we use or eat are not good for our health.

That said, a person can have, not one, but two reactions.
1. As implied by your response, your reaction ... Because you're already eating so many harmful things, throw your hands up, give up, and just consume the artificial sweetener.

2. The polar opposite ... Because you're already eating so many harmful things, don't consume more, as in artificial sweetener.

Even though they are opposites, 1 of the 2 reactions will make sense to each person.
IOW, neither is universally correct.
 
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Same here from several doctors over the years.
My current Endocrinologist recommends against all of the modified/artificial sweeteners and if someone don't like plain water to add a small amount of no sugar added fruit juice for flavor to a large glass of water.
The small amount of natural sugar in it is very much better for you than what is in any pop/soda diet or not.
She went as far as to say she had seen times when switching from regular soda to diet made no difference in blood sugar levels. With the disclaimer that people vary.
I miss my large bottle of Pepsi!!!!! but I like my diabetes under control even more!!
that is great news
what is the climate like where you live Karl ?
can you grow a lemon tree or a lemonaid tree if you can get one -(sweetest lemon ever)
we have a mayer lemin tree here that towers above the house laden ith fruit all year long
i wish i could give you a big bag, it not only makes great flavored water but is pretty good as a salad dressing and brightens up a lot of cooked veg
 
that is great news
what is the climate like where you live Karl ?
can you grow a lemon tree or a lemonaid tree if you can get one -(sweetest lemon ever)
we have a mayer lemin tree here that towers above the house laden ith fruit all year long
i wish i could give you a big bag, it not only makes great flavored water but is pretty good as a salad dressing and brightens up a lot of cooked veg
Midwest USA 70 miles from Chicago.
4 seasons, meaning most years there are days at -15F and days at 100F and everything in between.
Google says lemon trees need to be grown indoors in my zone.
I'm not a huge lemon fan but have occasionally put a small amount in my water at a restaurant.
I just drink 3/4 gallons of plain water a day except when its hot then I often drink double that.
A strong black coffee when I need a caffeine boost.
 
Midwest USA 70 miles from Chicago.
4 seasons, meaning most years there are days at -15F and days at 100F and everything in between.
Google says lemon trees need to be grown indoors in my zone.
I'm not a huge lemon fan but have occasionally put a small amount in my water at a restaurant.
I just drink 3/4 gallons of plain water a day except when its hot then I often drink double that.
A strong black coffee when I need a caffeine boost.

you and all the people in your part of your country plus Canada are so hardy Karl, i dont know how you survive :lol-2: (i guess insulation and winter clothes) :lol-2:
mayor lemons are tart but sweet enough to peel and eat if you like sour like me
 
you and all the people in your part of your country plus Canada are so hardy Karl, i dont know how you survive :lol-2: (i guess insulation and winter clothes) :lol-2:
mayor lemons are tart but sweet enough to peel and eat if you like sour like me
lol I wear shorts year round.
Hmm those lemons sound yummy!
 
lol I wear shorts year round.
Hmm those lemons sound yummy!

i wear shorts all round too but today i have two singlets on :lol-2:
before we cut back on sugar i learnt to make this English cake called a lemon drizzle cake
it was so yummy (takes 3 eggs though :lol-2: )
i was always meaning to buy some stevia but its a bit expsensive and ment to be tricky to bake with

i was buying this but its been hard to get since all the covid shortages, some products just never came back
not sure if it was perhaps not all it was claimed or just not popular
Chelsea-White-Sugar-Low-Gi.jpg

:lol-2:
 
Are you talking about perfume? Soap? Moisturizer? Not sure which or what you mean.

Fragrances, they are everywhere and in all products unless specified as fragrance free. If you want to live a clean life, gotta consider giving those up. It's useless to buy organic foods if you put those on you everyday, some are as bad as pesticides, look it up.

It's good that artificial sweteners are being looked into, hope they don't stop there.
 
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but is pretty good as a salad dressing and brightens up a lot of cooked veg

I haven’t tried lemon on cooked veggies but I could see that adding a nice zing if done right.

There was an Italian place back home where I grew up that had a salad with a lemon flavored dressing. It is hands down one of my favorites but I’ve never found anything similar elsewhere.
 
Are you talking about perfume? Soap? Moisturizer? Not sure which or what you mean.

They contain endocrine disrupters. I personally have stopped applying perfume. Not worth it to me.
Haven’t worn makeup in decades.
I am careful what I put in or on my body. However yes I have certain vices. I make my decisions wisely and always examine risk vs benefits. I also believe perfect is the enemy of good enough. We all choose our poisons and it’s ok. As long as we go into it eyes wide open imo
 
Very true.
Zillions of things we use or eat are not good for our health.

That said, a person can have, not one, but two reactions.
1. As implied by your response, your reaction ... Because you're already eating so many harmful things, throw your hands up, give up, and just consume the artificial sweetener.

2. The polar opposite ... Because you're already eating so many harmful things, don't consume more, as in artificial sweetener.

Even though they are opposites, 1 of the 2 reactions will make sense to each person.
IOW, neither is universally correct.

No Kenny, that's not what I meant or practice myself. I actually have a very healthy diet and use only products with very few additives.

I mean there are worse things that people are not willing to give up, much worse than fake sugar. If you think giving up fake sugar means you are getting rid of chemicals, think again, you are only getting rid of one.

That's all I meant by that, I am all for not using chemicals on ourselves, our pets, our gardents, our environment etc.
 
The only time I was really heavy into artificial sweeteners was in my 20’s when I was on Weight Watchers. Diet Coke was very accepted on the program as a way to stay full without the calories. I was never a fan but went with it because I thought that was the way to lose weight.

Now I avoid all artificial sweeteners, it’s tough because they are everywhere, recently tried to find cough syrup for our eight year old and kept coming across sucralose aka Splenda. It’s sad to me that other countries care more about their citizens and therefore have higher food quality standards than the U.S.
 
i wear shorts all round too but today i have two singlets on :lol-2:
before we cut back on sugar i learnt to make this English cake called a lemon drizzle cake
it was so yummy (takes 3 eggs though :lol-2: )
i was always meaning to buy some stevia but its a bit expsensive and ment to be tricky to bake with

i was buying this but its been hard to get since all the covid shortages, some products just never came back
not sure if it was perhaps not all it was claimed or just not popular
Chelsea-White-Sugar-Low-Gi.jpg

:lol-2:

@Daisys and Diamonds I love lemons:kiss2: and always have some in my fridge. Must be lovely to have a lemon tree. All that talk about lemon drizzle cake made me get a lemon drizzle slice - I ate one quarter of that slide and it was plenty:appl:
 
Now I avoid all artificial sweeteners, it’s tough because they are everywhere, recently tried to find cough syrup for our eight year old and kept coming across sucralose aka Splenda. It’s sad to me that other countries care more about their citizens and therefore have higher food quality standards than the U.S.
Almost all hot cocoa mixes have aspartame and do not disclose it other than the fine print on the back.
I would like a law requiring anything with it to be labeled as to what it contains on the front in a readable font size.
 
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