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Gussie

Gussie

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Both AGS super ideals

In particular, how noticeable will the difference in crown angle be?

TIA!

@flyingpig, @tyty333, @Dancing Fire, @Karl_K

A. I VS2

Depth 61.1
Table 56.6
Crown 34.1
Star 54.0
Pavilion 40.8
Lower girdle 77

B. J SI

Depth 61.8
Table 55.4
Crown 34.8
Star 48.0
Pavilion 40.8
Lower girdle 77.0
 
I thought I posted this in rt but somehow ended up here. Oops! I asked to move it.
 
What would you choose and will there be noticeable difference are two question.
Will I be able to tell which is which? Yes, certainly, IRL without any tool
Is one necessarily better than the other?
No
Which one will I choose?
It depends on other factors such as price, clarity chacteriestics and location, girdle treatment, fluo, carat weight.
 
flyingpig said:
What would you choose and will there be noticeable difference are two question.
Will I be able to tell which is which? Yes, certainly, IRL without any tool
Is one necessarily better than the other?
No
Which one will I choose?
It depends on other factors such as price, clarity chacteriestics and location, girdle treatment, fluo, carat weight.
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Assume a spherical chicken. :lol: All other Cs except cut are disregarded. I probably should have asked more specifically about the cut instead of anyone's choice. I am concerned that the lower crown angle for the first stone will look flat compared to the second stone. Thanks so much for your expertise!
 
Cut wise I'd prefer the smaller table with a higher crown. That's just me. ;))
 
But note, it is the combination of steeper crown AND smaller table that won here. If one had 58 TB and 35 CA and the other had 55 TB and 34 CA, then... I do not know. I need to see them side by side
 
Thanks yall! I think I will keep my stone B for a bit longer. I too prefer the higher CA, even if for purely architectural reasons. I am just not thrilled with my clarity. But with all other factors, I still think the smaller table/higher crown outweighs the SI. Plus it will save DH some money. For now! :lol:
 
Someone is planning an upgrade :dance:
 
Don't settle. Wait til you find that HG stone that will make your heart beat faster.
 
SimoneDi said:
@Gussie i actually really like the new stone (A) that you are considering. Can you evaluate in person?
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Unfortunately the wf showroom is closed. So, not at this time. I am hoping that covid cases go down and they can open again soon. I have been very spoiled by being able to see in person. I am not good at looking at videos at all. They all look the same!

What do you like about it?
 
Gussie said:
Unfortunately the wf showroom is closed. So, not at this time. I am hoping that covid cases go down and they can open again soon. I have been very spoiled by being able to see in person. I am not good at looking at videos at all. They all look the same!

What do you like about it?
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I understand, safety first!

I looked at the videos of the new stone and your current. To me, stone A appears to be a crisp, white, clean and bright. I think that if you see it, you might really enjoy the difference in clarity and color (although I realize that you have indicated not to be color sensitive). Your current stone’s clarity is based on twinning wisps and also has surface graining. From experience, those clarity symbols always affect transparency. Also, I have found that there is typically a vast difference between AGS I and J. I don’t discredit other people’s experiences, if different, but those are mine. And so, I would personally give the other diamond a chance before eliminating it based on numbers alone. I am not sure if ordering the diamond alone can be an option for you to evaluate at home, but if it is, I’d do that. Or just upgrade :)
 
@SimoneDi thank you! It is definitely the clarity that bothers me. I am going to think about it fir sure!
 
Here are the videos if anyone cares to opine. I like the cut numbers of my 3.443 but the crispness definitely goes the 3.243 as @SimoneDi pointed out. It is also a factor that this size stone in an affordable color doesn't come up very often. This stone will work for my EW setting. Thoughts? After seeing the video, does this change your mind? @flyingpig @tyty333 @Dancing Fire @MissGotRocks


Diamond | 3.443 ct J SI1 A CUT ABOVE® Hearts and Arrows Super Ideal Round Cut Loose Diamond AGS Certified | 4033329

This Whiteflash A CUT ABOVE® super ideal cut hearts and arrows 3.443 carat J color SI1 clarity loose diamond is graded by the American Gem Society (AGS) Laboratories. | 4033329
www.whiteflash.com

Diamond | 3.243 ct I VS2 A CUT ABOVE® Hearts and Arrows Super Ideal Round Cut Loose Diamond AGS Certified | 3009309

This Whiteflash A CUT ABOVE® super ideal cut hearts and arrows 3.243 carat I color VS2 clarity loose diamond is graded by the American Gem Society (AGS) Laboratories. | 3009309
www.whiteflash.com
 
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Gussie said:
Both AGS super ideals

In particular, how noticeable will the difference in crown angle be?

TIA!

@flyingpig, @tyty333, @Dancing Fire, @Karl_K

A. I VS2

Depth 61.1
Table 56.6
Crown 34.1
Star 54.0
Pavilion 40.8
Lower girdle 77

B. J SI

Depth 61.8
Table 55.4
Crown 34.8
Star 48.0
Pavilion 40.8
Lower girdle 77.0
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I like diamond B. Smaller table, higher crown angle, more fire!!
 
Its a beautiful stone for sure....I really like the crispness!

I wish we could put your current stone and the 3.24 in the compare function and watch the Sparkle video side-by-side.
 
tyty333 said:
Its a beautiful stone for sure....I really like the crispness!

I wish we could put your current stone and the 3.24 in the compare function and watch the Sparkle video side-by-side.
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I know! I am so technologically challenged. The reason I am not satisfied with my stone is the lack of crispness. It's definitely the twinning wisps across the table, even though it's eyeclean. I am tempted to just go ahead and try it. I can always upgrade later if a higher crown/smaller table becomes available. I have been looking at stones for a while and there are very few that will fit my setting. I just can't justify another EW setting $$$.
 
The brilliance video on the 3.24 is beautiful. If you are dissatisfied with your current stone, this one will,
1. Fit into your Margot setting =)2 2. Be Crisper, whiter/brighter. 3. Like you said, trade up later if something else comes along with a higher crown. 4. Or wait it out and hope something turns up that fits these criteria.
Brittany or Becca should be a good resource to help you don’t you think? Following your journey with interest!
 
Bonfire said:
The brilliance video on the 3.24 is beautiful. If you are dissatisfied with your current stone, this one will,
1. Fit into your Margot setting =)2 2. Be Crisper, whiter/brighter. 3. Like you said, trade up later if something else comes along with a higher crown. 4. Or wait it out and hope something turns up that fits these criteria.
Brittany or Becca should be a good resource to help you don’t you think? Following your journey with interest!
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WF does make it so easy. I don't want to unset my stone just for a video though. I am almost afraid to pass on this because of how long it might take to get another lower color stone in the right size. But the bottom line is that I am not as impressed with my current stone as I was my previous stone which was very crisp. I am not sure I will notice the architecture and fire as much as I will seeing sharp clear arrows.

If I sound like I am trying to talk myself into this, it's probably because I am! :lol-2:
 
Gussie said:
WF does make it so easy. I don't want to unset my stone just for a video though. I am almost afraid to pass on this because of how long it might take to get another lower color stone in the right size. But the bottom line is that I am not as impressed with my current stone as I was my previous stone which was very crisp. I am not sure I will notice the architecture and fire as much as I will seeing sharp clear arrows.

If I sound like I am trying to talk myself into this, it's probably because I am! :lol-2:
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I get ya! I went from a very high crowned OEC with all the colorful fire to my ACA and I‘m telling ya, the bright sparkle that comes off this stone is amazing! I want your heart singing Gussie!
 
:D:lol:
 
Well, SimoneD makes a very good point. It is definitely clearer and brighter. It is .20 smaller so if that isn't an issue for you - and I assume it isn't because it will still fit in your setting - you might be foolish to pass it up. It is a clarity grade and a color grade higher so that definitely offsets the size difference. At 3.24, I doubt you'll see much shrinkage - lol!! To be perfectly honest, just from reading the numbers I would have said no but the images tell a different tale. I think it is hard to find a bad ACA cut wise so you are really just judging on the color and clarity.
 
@Gussie - I'm excited for you!!!!
 
I’m familiar with this diamond. I also inquired about it when it was a new listing, I think back in April. It’s the size I want (9.5mm) and the price is great. It would have cost very little to upgrade for me.
I had WF take pictures side by side with other diamonds but the diamond has yellow undertones and to me they were noticeable when compared to another I and an H. I knew it would look yellower next to the H but to me it looks even yellower than the I In the picture as well. And I love my current diamond tbh so if I trade it, it has to be a diamond I have no regrets over.
Even my salesperson mentioned that it has yellow undertones. So I passed.
Below are the pictures they sent me.
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Thanks @kayla17! Oh, that is definitely more yellow than yours. I wish I weren't so picky!!! This definitely gives me pause since I am paying for an I. I really wish they had a J with better clarity at this size. I am afraid I will have a long wait if I don't do it though. One thing I know for sure is that if something bothers you about a stone, it will only get more bothersome as time goes on. The lack of crispness drives me crazy in my current stone. It looks like it's dirty all the time. Since I really don't care too much about color, do you think the yellow in this stone would be more of a problem than the clarity in my stone?

Thinking out loud, I know that's my question to answer. I really really appreciate this information though.
 
Gussie said:
Thanks @kayla17! Oh, that is definitely more yellow than yours. I wish I weren't so picky!!! This definitely gives me pause since I am paying for an I. I really wish they had a J with better clarity at this size. I am afraid I will have a long wait if I don't do it though. One thing I know for sure is that if something bothers you about a stone, it will only get more bothersome as time goes on. The lack of crispness drives me crazy in my current stone. It looks like it's dirty all the time. Since I really don't care too much about color, do you think the yellow in this stone would be more of a problem than the clarity in my stone?

Thinking out loud, I know that's my question to answer. I really really appreciate this information though.
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Tbh I prefer better clarity than higher color. I would rather get a VS clarity and lower color than SI and higher color but that’s a mind clean thing for me.

Since color doesn’t bother you as much as the clarity in your current diamond, this might be a great choice for you.
But like you said, if one thing bothers you then it will always bother you.

If you get this diamond will the size bother you since it will be a little smaller than your current diamond? Will you be always searching for a little bigger?

I honestly prefer the numbers on your current diamond, which was another thing about the 3.24 that bugged me. I prefer a higher Crown angle and crown % ( 15%), and a smaller table as well. I like the look of the arrows better with a smaller table in a round brilliant.

I would write down exactly what you want in an upgrade and go from there. And see how many checks this diamond gets. And if it doesn’t meet all the criteria then I would wait for one that does. They will always get new diamonds.
 
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