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Date: 3/20/2010 7:51:23 AM
Author:Lone_Wolfe
Hi everyone. I'm having the diamond replaced in a ring I've had for years and I've narrowed it down to these 2 here.

http://www.whiteflash.com/diamonds/diamond_details.aspx?idno=2192362

http://www.whiteflash.com/diamonds/diamond_details.aspx?idno=2231132

Which one would you choose and why?

Thanks very much.
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Hi Wolfe and welcome!

Looks like these two are possibly near miss ACA h&a but didn't quite make the cut. Both are excellent however if it were me I would probably be inclined to go with the smaller one and save the money. Both would give essentially the same look when set, the .90 wouldn't look much larger than the .83, just depends on whether you want the slightly heavier weight and are willing to spend 1k extra and of course if the SI is eyeclean to your standards.
 
Hi Lorelei and thatnks for the welcome!
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Actually they both had the 5-star rating posted, but for some reason took it off the website after I reserved them. According to Bob at Whiteflash they''re both in the highest grade. Thanks for your thoughts.


Any more opinions? Just an FYI, price isn''t my highest priority, although I don''t want to be stupid here either.
 
Ditto Lorelei.
Better clarity, better price.
Go for the smaller one.
The .9ct has some graining issues, I really hate that, especially if the diamond has SI clarity.
 
Hi Queenmum, I appreciate the input. Can you explain a bit about graining issues?

Thank you
 
Others will disagree, because vendors tell that surface graining is not an issue.
But I just hate it.
It is a feature I don''t want on a (SI) diamond.
 
I too like the smaller one because I don''t think the larger is going to be noticably bigger, and it is almost $1k more, so it seems a bit of a waste to spend that much more for not much size and lower clarity.

I do think Stephen''s issue with surface graining is fairly idiosyncratic, but of course, you are free to agree or disagree with him. Or me!
 
Date: 3/20/2010 1:49:43 PM
Author: dreamer_d
I do think Stephen''s issue with surface graining is fairly idiosyncratic, but of course, you are free to agree or disagree with him. Or me!
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No it isn''t.
My issue is empirical.
I bought a $15,000 VS2 GIA certified diamond, I had to bring it back to the seller because of surface graining visible without loupe.
I lost a few thousands in that transaction.
 
Date: 3/20/2010 2:02:15 PM
Author: QueenMum

Date: 3/20/2010 1:49:43 PM
Author: dreamer_d
I do think Stephen''s issue with surface graining is fairly idiosyncratic, but of course, you are free to agree or disagree with him. Or me!
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No it isn''t.
My issue is empirical.
I bought a $15,000 VS2 GIA certified diamond, I had to bring it back to the seller because of surface graining visible without loupe.
I lost a few thousands in that transaction.
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Well! I didn''t know you could see surface graining without a loupe sometimes. Good to know!

I think that, depending on your tolerace levels OP, you can ask WF and they will be honest about whether you can see it with the naked eye. But to be totally safe you can avoid it all together as Stephen suggests.
 
OK, it looks like the .90 has been voted off the island. Let me throw 2 more rocks onto the ballot.

http://www.whiteflash.com/diamonds/round-cut-diamond-2275631.htm#

and

http://www.whiteflash.com/diamonds/round-cut-diamond-2119077.htm#


One thing to consider is the setting. It''s a one-off, kind of hard to describe, but think of an all yellow gold half-bezel. Except that the gold covers most of the underside of the diamond. I know that might be hard to envision, but think of the stone pushed down into the gols and held there. For that reason I''ve mostly looked at D colors, but really don''t know if an F would look just as white. I know I won''t go below F.

The other limitation I have is size. The stone being removed is about 6.05 -6.08 mm. I can''t go much is any smaller, but I can go a bit larger. Probably 6.30 would be tops. It''s going to be a Whiteflash, the ring is already on it''s way to them. Any more input is greatly appreciated. FWIW, I would like the slightly larger size even at the higher price if not for the problems mentioned here.
 
I would pick either the .83 D frmo the first round of the F VS1 from the second round, but honestly I am basing it mostly on price
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These are all great diamonds. If it is not an ACA, check that the stone is eligible for all of WF''s policies, some ES stones are not. I would choose a stone that is eligible for the policies(like upgrade and byback) for the peace of mind those options offer, if I were choosing between two similar diamonds like you are.
 
If the price isn''t a factor would you still choose the same stone? Truthfully I wish they had more stones in the .85 to.95 range for 5 to 7k to pick from. This won''t be my first or even close to my biggest diamond, but I wear this ring more than all my other combined. It''s comfortable to wear and doesn''t snag on anything. I trisd to post a pic, but don''t know how. I don''t mind spending the $$$ to get the best stone.




I just bought a second-hand Eightstar, too bad it''s too big for the setting.....
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Date: 3/20/2010 5:58:37 PM
Author: Lone_Wolfe
If the price isn''t a factor would you still choose the same stone? Truthfully I wish they had more stones in the .85 to.95 range for 5 to 7k to pick from. This won''t be my first or even close to my biggest diamond, but I wear this ring more than all my other combined. It''s comfortable to wear and doesn''t snag on anything. I trisd to post a pic, but don''t know how. I don''t mind spending the $$$ to get the best stone.




I just bought a second-hand Eightstar, too bad it''s too big for the setting.....
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I am basing it on price because I don''t like to spend money uneccesarily
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To *me*, it does not make sense to pay more for a diamond that is lower clarity and only a teensy weensy bit bigger! Cut is a wash with these since they will all look great to your eye. Might as well base it on money then! Or base it on color and get the D just because it is nice to have a D... whatever criteria you want!

Really, though, flip a coin and pick. Check that the ES stone is upgradable etc just in case you might want that.
 
You have a point there Dreamer, and thw 2 are so close in size. I appreciate your input.



Any other opinions out there?
 
Date: 3/20/2010 5:05:03 PM
Author: Lone_Wolfe
OK, it looks like the .90 has been voted off the island. Let me throw 2 more rocks onto the ballot.

http://www.whiteflash.com/diamonds/round-cut-diamond-2275631.htm#

and

http://www.whiteflash.com/diamonds/round-cut-diamond-2119077.htm#


One thing to consider is the setting. It's a one-off, kind of hard to describe, but think of an all yellow gold half-bezel. Except that the gold covers most of the underside of the diamond. I know that might be hard to envision, but think of the stone pushed down into the gols and held there. For that reason I've mostly looked at D colors, but really don't know if an F would look just as white. I know I won't go below F.

The other limitation I have is size. The stone being removed is about 6.05 -6.08 mm. I can't go much is any smaller, but I can go a bit larger. Probably 6.30 would be tops. It's going to be a Whiteflash, the ring is already on it's way to them. Any more input is greatly appreciated. FWIW, I would like the slightly larger size even at the higher price if not for the problems mentioned here.
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The first ACA above looks super, WF haven't loaded the Idealscope image so you would need to ask them to load it or email it to you.

The second also looks great, it just comes down to personal preference and whether you want the branding and VS1 clarity and whether the SI is eyeclean if you prefer the other.
 
Lorelei, I got someone there on chat and they posted up the IS image. I think it looks nice. With the stone set way down into a solid yellow gold setting will I be able to see a difference at all in color? I just wonder if the F color will be able to "fight off" all that yellow as well as the D.

Thanks everyone.
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Date: 3/22/2010 5:41:50 PM
Author: Lone_Wolfe
Lorelei, I got someone there on chat and they posted up the IS image. I think it looks nice. With the stone set way down into a solid yellow gold setting will I be able to see a difference at all in color? I just wonder if the F color will be able to ''fight off'' all that yellow as well as the D.

Thanks everyone.
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Can you post the IS image here please? I would think a well cut F colour is still going to look very white in a YG setting.
 
I''ve tried to post pics. Still no luck. I don''t know what I''m doing wrong, but the pics aren''t large and have simple names.
 
Date: 3/22/2010 6:23:41 PM
Author: Lone_Wolfe
I''ve tried to post pics. Still no luck. I don''t know what I''m doing wrong, but the pics aren''t large and have simple names.
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Try renaming to something unique and don''t use any unusual characters in the filenames. If that doesn''t work, contact admin using the msg admin button then they will give you instructions on sending the image to them so they can post it for you, don''t forget to let them know which thread so send them the URL.
 
OK, I'll have to try that. In the meantime can you look at the IS image from the link above?

Thanks
 
Even side by side, you will never be able to tell the difference in color between an AGS graded D and F.
 
So which of the 2 that you like best would you choose? The oics and IS images for both look good to my only slightly knowledgable eye.

Thanks
 
ISs for the ACA and ES look fantastic. I''d go for the cheaper ES.
 
Date: 3/22/2010 6:43:42 PM
Author: yssie
ISs for the ACA and ES look fantastic. I''d go for the cheaper ES.
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Me too as long as it was eligible for all of WFs policies.
 
Date: 3/22/2010 6:44:53 PM
Author: dreamer_d

Date: 3/22/2010 6:43:42 PM
Author: yssie
ISs for the ACA and ES look fantastic. I''d go for the cheaper ES.
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Me too as long as it was eligible for all of WFs policies.
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good call
 
Date: 3/22/2010 6:43:42 PM
Author: yssie
ISs for the ACA and ES look fantastic. I''d go for the cheaper ES.
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Which ACA did you like? I put up 3, but most everyone here doesn''t care for the .90 in my first post.
 
Any more opinions on these choices? I''ve eliminated the non-ACA stone from consideration, so I''m down to 3. All opinions/comments are welcome. :wavey:
 
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