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Which Asscher do I purchase?! HELP!

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joey122

joey122

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I''m about to make a decision between two asscher stones.

1.39 I, VS2
6.15X6.18X4.29

Polish/Symmetry
Good/Good

Depth/Table
69.8%/62%

Cut
Excellent
$5220

OR...

1.37 I, VS1
6.21X6.34X4.06

Polish/Symmetry
Very Good/Good

Depth/Table
65.4%/62%

Cut
Excellent
$5250

Which stone should I purchase? Please help!
 
Need more info.
Perferable clear pictures of the actual diamonds and the crown height from the sarin.
By the info given either could be decent or either could be a total dog.
 
Date: 6/21/2005 4:17:21 PM
Author: strmrdr
Need more info.
Perferable clear pictures of the actual diamonds and the crown height from the sarin.
By the info given either could be decent or either could be a total dog.
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second that.
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Asschers can be a tough one to figure out from numbers alone. Images IMHO are a must! Also, that is not enough information...
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Okay...I''ve searched "Sarin report" on the threads but I''m still not clear. What exactly is the report and what am I looking for in it? Also, if I am working with internet vendors, how do i get actual pictures of the diamonds? (I am finding the same diamond listed on several sites at similar prices.) Do they have actual pictures on hand?
 
Date: 6/22/2005 3:19:11 AM
Author: joey122

if I am working with internet vendors, how do i get actual pictures of the diamonds?
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Ask the seller
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Sometimes their websites make it clear that they can provide pictures and what not - just look at how their inventory is presented.

It doesn't sound all that great to buy sight unseen, even if there is a return policy.

"Sarin" is presented here

However, it is quite difficult to model a step cut diamond starting with numbers: it certainly takes more than pavilion depth and crown height (sometimes this is all that the usual, simple version of Sarin report tells you) to reconstruct the picture. It is allot easier to look at a real one.

It may not be possible for the seller to take detaild pictures though - it is not easy to obtain representative ones. In that case, it remains little to do than rely on the return policy. It may help to look up a dimond that you like and send a range of specs for the seller to look for, assuming their choice still is better than stabbing in the dark or browsing a database.


About those two diamons:

sure they sound good
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as far as I can tell, and that leaves some room for error about how they actually look.

If you are not very particular about the shape (deep cut corners versus square, what not) and trust the seller to pic a brillint rock, why not. GIA's I/VS sounds safe for color & clarity and I should not dissapoint given the weight.

Just a thought...
 
I actually bought an asscher based on the numbers that you have alone and was originally told that it was a dog (a hunch based on the #'s), but I already purchased it and I have now received it and it's beautiful and after seeing the idealscope and sarin it turned out to be a good stone. I dealt with Renee at Whiteflash and asked for her opinion on the stone and she thought we would be very happy with it and she was right. So my advice to you is first see if they can give you the pictures, but I know WF you must pay and then if you buy the stone the money goes towards the purchase of the stone. If they can't go with your gut and choose the one that sounds the best to you and make sure they have a return policy. If I were choosing between the two stones I would go with the second choice because it's almost a perfect square, mine is a little less off than the first option and I can't tell the difference. Just my two cents!
 
Thanks dazedland! And everyone else too! I have requested a sarin report on the second stone. The vendor is having it faxed to them and then e-mailing the report to me. I even called a gemologist and gave him all the specs on both stones. He would go with the second stone. He says that the stone is worth the price if the crown height from the sarin is 11.2% or less. Otherwise they should come down in the price. Of course I have further complicated my search by adding one more stone which I''m about to call and request a sarin report on. It is...

1.32 I, VS1
6.20x6.17x4.07

Polish/Symmetry
Excellent/VG

Depth/Table
66%/62%

Cut
Premium

We''ll see what happens...I''ll let you know!
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Still waiting on a sarin report!

I requested one and then went out of town for the weekend. I still have not received it. When I talk to the jewelers, they emphatically reply that sarin reports are imperative for round stones, but that there aren''t any ideal specs for fancy cuts like asschers and that sarin report won''t tell me anything. Why a sarin report? I called a different jeweler today to get a sarin report for me first thing in the morning. I just hope the info I get from a sarin is as valuable as you are all telling me because they treat me like it is a ridiculous request! I trust you all though!
 
Storm is the expert on these I think. But I would think all the extra information you can get on an asscher is only going to help you in your selection process. Also the eyes are the most important tool you have. Asschers are very complicated and are a whole different breed of diamond so to speak. So arm yourself with all the info you can get your hands on and, and Good luck. They are my favorite stone right now. HTH.
 
Who is Storm and how do I find him?
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I PM''d him for you!!!
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Although he has already been PM''d he posted on your thread, his avatar is the angry looking sky with lightning. He scares me
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j/k
 
Nothing to be scared of, he''s a sweetie, but don''t tell him I said that!!!! Now thunderstorms, that''s something to be scared of!!!!
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You rang?

Iv been following this thread off and on to see if more info had been posted.
From the info given there isnt anyone that can tell you much of anything about it.
The numbers just dont tell you that much with asschers.
They will tell you if its square, if the table is in the right range and if the depth is in the right range but dont give you a clue about how it looks.
For example is it a 3,4,5 or 6 step pavilon or a 2,3 or 4 step crown?
No way to tell from the numbers.

crown height is critical and that isnt there either.


There is also an asscher thread in the faq with a ton of info:
https://www.pricescope.com/community/threads/all-about-asschers.24689/
 
Sarin Report info

Shape: Asscher
Weight: 1.36
Width: 6.20mmx6.36mm
L/W: 1.03
Total Depth: 4.04mm 65.2%
Girdle 1.5%
Table: 4.06mm 3.99mm 4.13mm 64.4%
Table Off: 1.2 Cutlet Off: 1.3
Crown Height: 0.85mm 0.82mm 0.89mm 13.7%
Pavil Depth: 3.10mm 3.09mm 3.12mm 50.0%

Please help Storm and others! The stone is on hold for me today and I''d like to make a decision. I realize that I do not have actual pictures of the stone, but there is a return policy from the online vendor. I have to go to work now but I''ll be back in a few hours to check your responses! Thanks so much! Joey

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Why don''t you ask the online vendor to snap some photo''s?
 
Yes we need to see a pic in order to help you.
 
for us to help, we''ll need a pic. or, you can just have the stone sent to you and you can see for yourself if you love it.
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Table Off: 1.2 Cutlet Off: 1.3 <-- bad news

lacking a picture I cant say for sure what it looks like but that is a bad sign.
If its that far off the odds the rest are also.
Overall from the limited data im not getting good vibes about it.

imho if the vendor cant provide photos then find one that will.
I usualy avoid giving specific recomendations but imho you need to talk to
Jon at www.goodoldgold.com and or the folks at www.whiteflash.com who will call asschers in if they dont have them in stock and get you the information you need.

It really seems to me that these are virtual stones and the vendor your talking too is not willing to call them in.
 
Joey,
That is very good advice that Sorm gave you. You can''t buy an asscher by the numbers, you''ve got to see a picture of it. You should deal with vendors that will send you pics of the stones and he reccommended 2 very good ones. Good luck and let us know how it goes. I really love asschers and hope you find a beautiful one. Sounds like this may not be the one.
 
"Table Off: 1.2 Cutlet Off: 1.3"



Sorry...the cutlet is off .3 not 1.3
 
will you be able to get pics?
 
Date: 6/27/2005 5:59:12 PM
Author: joey122



''Table Off: 1.2 Cutlet Off: 1.3''




Sorry...the cutlet is off .3 not 1.3
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thats better but still doesnt change my recomendation.
 
I have taken your recommendations and am not buying without pics of the actual stone. I am promised digital pics tomorrow and will post them for everyone to see and comment! I do read everything you say and trust that you are all in the conumer''s best interest. Thanks again.
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This thread is uesless without pictures!!!!
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I just posted my dream setting for my future asscher as my avatar...that is a totally new search...my next one. I''m gonna start a thread for that one if i can''t find enough info on reputable, affordable tension setters/benchman? Does anyone have a clue about where to get my tension set?
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Date: 6/28/2005 12:35:01 AM
Author: joey122
I just posted my dream setting for my future asscher as my avatar...that is a totally new search...my next one. I''m gonna start a thread for that one if i can''t find enough info on reputable, affordable tension setters/benchman? Does anyone have a clue about where to get my tension set?
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http://www.boonerings.com/

ti is the only material id consider for a tension ring.
 
Here is the pic EVERYONE requested. The vendor has sent it! Reply!
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