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I was already talking about it on a different thread, but that''s because that thread was hi-jacked by me from me from a different topic.

Budget: $5000 - $9100 (including tax, shipping, engagement ring, diamond, etc.)

Type: Princess or Asscher
Carat: 1.50 - 1.90
Clarity: VVS1 - VS2
Color: D - I
Ring: Simple, solitaire, yellow gold
Cut: I have no idea... the only thing I''m not very we''ll aware of.


After reading a few threads, I see that the most descriptive site is gold on gold, but that is also the most expensive one I''ve seen.

Is this possible guys and gals?
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those are two very different looks. the only thing they have in common is that they are both square. i would suggest making a decision on the cutting style before you start your hunt.
 
http://www.jamesallen.com/diamond.asp?cid=131&item=866221
>I would want to know exactly where the girdle was Very Thin (seems to be because of a natural) and remember that you don't steam clean diamonds with feathers.

http://www.jamesallen.com/diamond.asp?cid=131&item=866678
http://www.jamesallen.com/diamond.asp?cid=131&item=866220
http://www.jamesallen.com/diamond.asp?cid=131&item=866214
>I'm not sure about the inclusions on this one.

James Allen will be great...ask for IdealScope images.

You should understand that by staying out of SI1 clarity, you aren't getting ideal cut (maybe the top 3% of princesses,) and these are all "premium" cuts. The minimum score any of these would get is an AGS 4, and I suspect it's more like 5.
 
Date: 6/1/2006 3:02:51 PM
Author:JPWRana
Budget: $5000 - $9100 (including tax, shipping, engagement ring, diamond, etc.)
Type: Princess or Asscher
Carat: 1.50 - 1.90
Clarity: VVS1 - VS2
Color: D - I
Ring: Simple, solitaire, yellow gold
Cut: I have no idea... the only thing I''m not very we''ll aware of
Is this possible guys and gals?
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Mmmmm. At first glance that seems like a pretty tall order -- unless you seriously compromise on cut quality -- which most folks around here would say is the ONE THING you should NEVER compromise on.

I''d immediately start adding stones between 1.3 & 1.5 into your searches ... sometimes the "spread" or visual look of a stone can be the same or close to the "spread" or look of 1.5ish stones FOR MUCH LESS $$$.

At least you''ll save with a 18kt yellow gold solitaire setting!! (with platinum at $1300/ounce!)
 
Date: 6/1/2006 5:25:18 PM
Author: JulieN
http://www.jamesallen.com/diamond.asp?cid=131&item=866221

>I would want to know exactly where the girdle was Very Thin (seems to be because of a natural) and remember that you don''t steam clean diamonds with feathers.


http://www.jamesallen.com/diamond.asp?cid=131&item=866678

http://www.jamesallen.com/diamond.asp?cid=131&item=866220

http://www.jamesallen.com/diamond.asp?cid=131&item=866214

>I''m not sure about the inclusions on this one.


James Allen will be great...ask for IdealScope images.


You should understand that by staying out of SI1 clarity, you aren''t getting ideal cut (maybe the top 3% of princesses,) and these are all ''premium'' cuts. The minimum score any of these would get is an AGS 4, and I suspect it''s more like 5.
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JulieN... these are all EXCELLENT choices...

I dont get what you say about "You should understand that by staying out of SI1 clarity, you aren''t getting ideal cut". So If I get ideal cut, the diamond has to have more inclusions?
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What is an AGS score?

That''s too bad that NONE of these diamonds have pictures like on goldongold
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Date: 6/1/2006 5:37:27 PM
Author: decodelighted
Date: 6/1/2006 3:02:51 PM

Author:JPWRana

Budget: $5000 - $9100 (including tax, shipping, engagement ring, diamond, etc.)

Type: Princess or Asscher

Carat: 1.50 - 1.90

Clarity: VVS1 - VS2

Color: D - I

Ring: Simple, solitaire, yellow gold

Cut: I have no idea... the only thing I''m not very we''ll aware of

Is this possible guys and gals?
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Mmmmm. At first glance that seems like a pretty tall order -- unless you seriously compromise on cut quality -- which most folks around here would say is the ONE THING you should NEVER compromise on.


I''d immediately start adding stones between 1.3 & 1.5 into your searches ... sometimes the ''spread'' or visual look of a stone can be the same or close to the ''spread'' or look of 1.5ish stones FOR MUCH LESS $$$.


At least you''ll save with a 18kt yellow gold solitaire setting!! (with platinum at $1300/ounce!)
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We''ll... me and my gf are BOTH amateurs novices on diamonds... She wants a big rock. I had read somewhere that the smaller her ring size, the bigger the rock will look. She is a size 5.5.

I would most likely end up getting a 14kt yellow gold solitaire... THAT IS WHAT BOTH OF US had in mind anyways.

The one thing I still havent gotten from anyone is what dimension metrics I''m supposed to look for as in regard to what is the IDEAL cut.
 
Date: 6/1/2006 5:25:18 PM
Author: JulieN
James Allen will be great...ask for IdealScope images.
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What''s an IdealScope image? How can I get pictures of the diamonds?
 
I noticed that some of the diamoands that Julie showed me varied in girdle size... how does that affect the "cut" of the diamond?
 
Go onto Whiteflash or GOG and read their diamond tutorials. Seriously, you need a lot more information and it would take too long to write it all out. The stones you posted are all bad. The first one is worth considering, but JulieN is right about the importance of finding out where the girdle is VTN as princess cuts are prone to chipping on the corners. The others...let''s just say I would not look twice at them.

I know this is a frustrating process. Trust me, I went through it myself (just look back on my old posts and you''ll see the poor quality stones I had thought were great back then). But, you''ll be thrilled with the results if you do your research.
 
Date: 6/2/2006 2:08:16 AM
Author: JPWRana

Date: 6/1/2006 5:25:18 PM
Author: JulieN

You should understand that by staying out of SI1 clarity, you aren''t getting ideal cut (maybe the top 3% of princesses,) and these are all ''premium'' cuts. The minimum score any of these would get is an AGS 4, and I suspect it''s more like 5.
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I dont get what you say about ''You should understand that by staying out of SI1 clarity, you aren''t getting ideal cut''. So If I get ideal cut, the diamond has to have more inclusions?
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I think what Julie means is that NOT to stay away from SI1 and to include it in your search - a VS diamond doesn''t necessarily have a bad cut any more than an SI diamond will have visible inclusions, you have to take it on a case by case basis. Be aware that an Asscher in an SI clarity might show inclusions more than a VS, step cuts can show inclusions more however. You DON''T have to sacrifice cut to have a clean diamond or vice versa - you can have both and should aim for that.
 
Date: 6/2/2006 3:10:18 AM
Author: researcher
Go onto Whiteflash or GOG and read their diamond tutorials. Seriously, you need a lot more information and it would take too long to write it all out. The stones you posted are all bad. The first one is worth considering, but JulieN is right about the importance of finding out where the girdle is VTN as princess cuts are prone to chipping on the corners. The others...let''s just say I would not look twice at them.


I know this is a frustrating process. Trust me, I went through it myself (just look back on my old posts and you''ll see the poor quality stones I had thought were great back then). But, you''ll be thrilled with the results if you do your research.
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Really?!?! all except the 1st one are bad?!?!? They look to be decent color, clarity, and carat size. What is the girdle supposed to be for a princess?

what is VTN?
 
Date: 6/2/2006 3:10:18 AM
Author: researcher

I know this is a frustrating process. Trust me, I went through it myself (just look back on my old posts and you''ll see the poor quality stones I had thought were great back then). But, you''ll be thrilled with the results if you do your research.
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Is this THIS specifically the guidelines for a EXCELLENT princess cut?!?!?! If it is that would be awesome cuz now I know what EXACTLY too look for in the princess diamond cut dimensions
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that is a great guideline. i have found several ags0 graded princess that fall outside of the top parameters on that chart but it is a great place to start.
 
Did I just lose my whole post? ARGH.

Ok.

A primo girdle is med-slt thick, although thin-slt thick is fine, too.

VTN means Very Thin. On the GIA report, a natural is indicated, which may cause a very thin girdle in just one spot. This could be ok, or it could be bad news. It's a case by case basis.

The ones I posted from James Allen all meet your search parameters. It is up to you to get more information on them. I don't know if they are good or not; no one does except someone who can see it. The first one has the most potential, however. The very thick girdles and good symmetry are clues that they are of a lesser make than the first one, but we can't know for sure if they are dogs without more information. If these stones are not in-house, then Researcher is correct, I probably wouldn't spend time and money bothering to get more information. However, if they are in-house, it doen't cost you anything to get an Ideal Scope picture, which is must for buying stones.

The AGA cut grades are not the end all and be all (or however the saying goes.) They are good guidelines, though. You can find AGS 0 princesses into the AGA 2A, maybe 2B category. Guidelines, not rules.
 
Julie I have lost SO many posts, I now copy mine so I can paste them if I lose them, it saves a lot of aggravation!
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JulieN wrote: ''and remember that you don''t steam clean diamonds with feathers.''





I have never heard that one before?
 
they can expand (and I'm guessing contract sharply) if you rinse in cold water right after. Which you shouldn't do in any case...
 
Date: 6/2/2006 5:40:17 PM
Author: JulieN
Did I just lose my whole post? ARGH.


Ok.


A primo girdle is med-slt thick, although thin-slt thick is fine, too.


VTN means Very Thin. On the GIA report, a natural is indicated, which may cause a very thin girdle in just one spot. This could be ok, or it could be bad news. It''s a case by case basis.


The ones I posted from James Allen all meet your search parameters. It is up to you to get more information on them. I don''t know if they are good or not; no one does except someone who can see it. The first one has the most potential, however. The very thick girdles and good symmetry are clues that they are of a lesser make than the first one, but we can''t know for sure if they are dogs without more information. If these stones are not in-house, then Researcher is correct, I probably wouldn''t spend time and money bothering to get more information. However, if they are in-house, it doen''t cost you anything to get an Ideal Scope picture, which is must for buying stones.


The AGA cut grades are not the end all and be all (or however the saying goes.) They are good guidelines, though. You can find AGS 0 princesses into the AGA 2A, maybe 2B category. Guidelines, not rules.
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So thick and thin girdles are good?!?!?
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What do you mean by in-house? That the diamonds belong to James Allen? or that they are in his warehouse?
 
TN-STK girdles are good. You just don't want extremes.

In-house means that the stone is somewhere in the vendor's office. Usually, that means the vendor owns it, but not always.

Not in-house (out-house) means the stone is with the wholesaler.
 
I could understand a feather expanding in a I3 diamond where it is exposed to the surface maybe, but jewellers steam clean diamonds with feathers all the time I believe.
 
Sure, anytime you have something open, it can be a problem. But I don''t think it matters whether it''s an I1 or a VS1, because the grade doesn''t depend on if it''s open or closed.
 
No, but I think this just scares people when a diamond with a VS1 feather can be steam cleaned without a problem.
 
no offense to any princess owners out there... one thing to consider is that princesses are all the rage right now but they are headed the way of the marquise, about to be out of style. styles have a twenty year cycle and I personally believe that princesses are in their last year of popularity.

I am starting to see abandoned princesses in the pawn shops, not a good sign! and the marquises and pears,that were stylish in the 70s and 80s, and went out of style, are coming back in style.

consider the asscher?
 
Just throwing this out there. Have you guys looked at other square cut stones? GOG has some lovely squares that aren't princesses or asschers.

I personally have an asscher and love it. But all I wanted was a square stone and would have been thrilled with just about anything other than a radiant (don't care for them). Square cushions, particularly, are just gorgeous... haven't seen a flanders in person but would no doubt love it and the square hearts and arrows looks intriguing. Also... not to offend EVERYONE here... but Whitehall (gasp, maul store) actually has a very nice proprietary square cut... and when we were shopping they actually matched prices with a few princesses we were looking at elsewhere of the same color and clarity and carat weight. And the cut on those is actually quite nice from what I remember. To get a reasonable price you just have to talk to the manager... we did and it took two days for them to get the approval for the price from someone higher up... but frankly they were quite eager for the sale. I actually felt bad we bought elsewhere.


That was just to give you other options.

But, honestly, if it were me shopping with such a difficult budget to spec ratio I would probably just call up either GOG or whitehall or james allen, or ERD (I'd probably go with GOG but that's just a personal thing... I've really been impressed with Jon) and work exclusively with them ... give them my specs and have them find the nicest stone, overall, for me that they can (but then I would trust Jon to pick a winner out for me, and would buy his recommendation without hesitation) for my budget and requirements... and for anything other than a step cut (emeralds, asschers) I would definitely consider eye-clean SI's and I would consider up to medium flourescence in stones that weren't colorless (again personal thing, strong blue scares me).

Just my $.02
 
Date: 6/2/2006 3:10:18 AM
Author: researcher
The stones you posted are all bad. The first one is worth considering, but JulieN is right about the importance of finding out where the girdle is VTN as princess cuts are prone to chipping on the corners. The others...let''s just say I would not look twice at them.
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Why is only the firs tone worth considering? What is wrong with the other ones that JulieN proposed?
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Date: 6/2/2006 5:40:17 PM
Author: JulieN
Did I just lose my whole post? ARGH.


Ok.


A primo girdle is med-slt thick, although thin-slt thick is fine, too.


VTN means Very Thin. On the GIA report, a natural is indicated, which may cause a very thin girdle in just one spot. This could be ok, or it could be bad news. It''s a case by case basis.


The ones I posted from James Allen all meet your search parameters. It is up to you to get more information on them. I don''t know if they are good or not; no one does except someone who can see it. The first one has the most potential, however. The very thick girdles and good symmetry are clues that they are of a lesser make than the first one, but we can''t know for sure if they are dogs without more information. If these stones are not in-house, then Researcher is correct, I probably wouldn''t spend time and money bothering to get more information. However, if they are in-house, it doen''t cost you anything to get an Ideal Scope picture, which is must for buying stones.
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Why is it that the 1st one has the most potential?!?! What specific cut parameters give it "the most potential"? What do you mean by lesser make? That the cut isn''t that good? Isn''t good symmetry a good thing?

Date: 6/2/2006 5:40:17 PM
Author: JulieN
The AGA cut grades are not the end all and be all (or however the saying goes.) They are good guidelines, though. You can find AGS 0 princesses into the AGA 2A, maybe 2B category. Guidelines, not rules.
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What are these 2A and 2B Categories?
 
How is THIS diamond? Is this one better?
 
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