When they say a J faces up white is it true?

[HappyAnniversary]

I guess WF still has my diamond on hold--(maybe they didintget the e-mail that I sent saying let it go)--So I''lll ask another Question before it is too late:

When they (White flash) say a J faces up white is it true?

Because my Dear Daughter was aghast I was going to get a J so we both went into a ben Bridge store to see what that color was and the saleslady was wearing a three stone J ring and it looked so dark--not what I wanted at all . DD said she saw the color right away. (She''s an artist-type and very good with colors. )

I wanted to stop the hold on the diamond but have just read an e-mail where they said it faces up white. What should I do? It will cost me the $45 shipping, plus shipping it back $20?)

 

[Paul-Antwerp]

According to me, a well-cut J will face up white, but it also depends on your sensitivity to colour.

But if you are only risking 65$ to find out, it is a small expenditure compared to the extra cost of going up to a mind-white colour.

Live long,

 

[neatfreak]

I think it depends on your level of color tolerance.

For me I can see the difference, but only really on the sides. That bothered me, so we went with a G. But from the top they looked darn white to me! But remember, the saleslady''s J could have been a poor cut, etc. A well cut J will look much better than a poorly cut one.

Only you can decide whether it will bother you or not, but WF has a good reputation for being honest about their stones. So why not? Paul has a great point about the cost v. possible benefit. Might as well give it a try for $45!

 

[Cehrabehra]

J is a fairly wide range and K is even wider.... Ben Bridge''s idea of a J could very well be a K or even an L by whiteflash standards.

That said, J is NOT colorless. If it is important to you to have a stone you see no or *very* little color in, I would stay above a G.

 

[Gypsy]

I''ve seen Mara''s ring at a GTG with other PSers.. who had rounds from colorless to J. And you know what? It was white! You could see the color from the side... but KristyD''s H and someone else''s I and Mara''s J... all face up??? Looked really really white.

 

[BunniBling]

Date: 4/30/2007 2:03:21 PM
Author: neatfreak

But remember, the saleslady''s J could have been a poor cut, etc. A well cut J will look much better than a poorly cut one.

Only you can decide whether it will bother you or not, but WF has a good reputation for being honest about their stones. So why not? Paul has a great point about the cost v. possible benefit. Might as well give it a try for $45!

Absolutely agree! Even if it turns out after viewing that the ''J'' is tinted a little too much for your personal taste, I''m betting you''ll still be impressed with the overall "whiteness". Good luck!

-J

 

[decodelighted]

Besides the wide range of colors WITHIN the "J" designation ... what it''s gonna look like could depend on which lab graded the stone "J"....

For instance ... the Ben Bridge lady''s "J" stones could have been graded by one of the "inferior" labs & that "J" would actually get a "K" or "L" at GIA or AGS.

In addition - it could be poorly cut -- which would make any color in the stone even more prominent -- now going into "M" & "N" territory.

You have to compare apples to apples.

If you''re considering a GIA or AGS Ideal cut stone -- you really need to see it with your own eyes -- unless you can find a stone you know to be as well-cut as the Whiteflash Ideals or ACAs that also has a GIA or AGS cert.

Bottom line: it''s probably way way whiter than the Ben Bridge lady''s ring -- but it still might not be "white enough" for your taste. It''s a bad comparison if it''s not Apple v. Apple -- yanno?

 

[kcoursolle]

Faces up white? Yes, definitely! However, it is definitely noticeable to see warmth from the side and sometimes from the corner of the crown as well.

 

[He Scores]

A "J" color with a natural girdle, slightly shallow make and an open culet will face up whiter than
the same "J" color with a faceted girdle and fuller proportions and a closed culet.

The reason is the same that makes water in a swimming pool blue...the deeper water, the bluer the water.
The natural girdle helps mask the body color much the same as putting white metal on the stone.

The culet works like a black dot and creates a contrast making the color appear lighter. You only have to cut a black flaw out of a "J" color once to find out you no longer have a "J".

This is what I was taught in diamond cutting school and validated by my 37 years of cutting.

Bill Bray
Diamond Cutter

 

[MWG]

Date: 4/30/2007 1:53:33 PM
Author:HappyAnniversary
I guess WF still has my diamond on hold--(maybe they didintget the e-mail that I sent saying let it go)--So I''lll ask another Question before it is too late:

When they (White flash) say a J faces up white is it true?

Because my Dear Daughter was aghast I was going to get a J so we both went into a ben Bridge store to see what that color was and the saleslady was wearing a three stone J ring and it looked so dark--not what I wanted at all . DD said she saw the color right away. (She''s an artist-type and very good with colors. )

I wanted to stop the hold on the diamond but have just read an e-mail where they said it faces up white. What should I do? It will cost me the $45 shipping, plus shipping it back $20?)

Well.....I was like you.......been to the B&M and seen their "poorly cut" diamonds and seen what they call a H, I, J etc and I would not buy them either. Now, the ACA are cut so well that they do face up white, believe me, they have the best cut diamonds I have ever seen......It shocked me and I now know....that CUT IS KING!!!!!!!

Dont take my word for it.......order it......and you will see........and if you dont like it.......they will take it back and give you all your money back.

Good Luck and let us know what you decide
MWG

 

[HappyAnniversary]

Thanks all for your comments. Bill Bray--your post went whoosh way over my head. The diamond says "pointed" on the culet. Does that mean anything? Does that affect the color?

I guess I want to make sure that when people look at my ring, they don''t say nice things to my face, and then say "ick" when they walk away. I know I could take my $2300 and choose a smaller diamond but there seems to be a dearth of slightly smaller diamonds in the .6 plus range and I was so excited to think I could get a .77 carat diamond!! in my price range. I will probably get it anyway and check it our myself--WF has a great trade-up policy so I can switch out if I need to in the future. Decision-making is not my best asset.

 

[JulieN]

Less than a ct, you probably won''t have much of a problem. And with an ideal cut, no one is going to say ick.

 

[doobao]

I''m pretty color sensitive too~ but my friend''s ideal cut J color RB looks much whiter than a H color RB I once saw in LA Downtown diamond district~
So I think the cut really does matter!

If you really don''t like it when you see the WF diamond in person, you can always return it.

 

[Harriet]

I have an I/J ACA that faces up a blazing white. The only tint I see is from the side.

 

[HappyAnniversary]

Thanks all again--I will call and start the ball rolling tomorrow--wouldn''t want a coulda-shoulda-woulda situation where I always think of that big rock I could have had. And .77 is gi-normous to me. In my day a .3 was average size and I never thought mine was that small until I moved to Massachusetts where the younger girls in my office had a rule "Don''t settle for less than a carat !"

I''ll keep you posted and if I can ever figure out how to make a pic smaller I''ll post a picture. All I have is an Adobe starter free software.

 

[Mara]

i have a J that faces up pretty darn ''white'' but from the side you can see a bit of a tint. that is not atypical for a well-cut or ideal well-graded J.

funny...my nail salon owner always forgets she has seen my ring like every time i go there, and she always thinks it''s a D or E. the first few times i was like no it''s a J...and then the last 2 times because i think it''s funny she doesn''t remember my ring even though she compliments it like every 2 months...i said ''no it''s a G'' and she is like ''oh it''s so white!''...and last time i said ''yeah it''s an E'' when she said ''oh a D''...and she just nods.

this and other similar stories just underscore for me that most people have no idea what they are looking at with diamonds and color. if it''s well cut and sparkles, that is what they notice and assume it''s a high color and clarity because it''s pretty!

 

[He Scores]

HA....sorry for being so technical. A "pointed" culet is a closed culet or actually a "NO" culet. An "open" culet is a med or sl. large culet.

Both have very minimal effect on face up color.

Bill