- Joined
- Apr 3, 2004
- Messages
- 33,852
That's where the problem lies...Mickey D's will hire less workers and they will raise prices on every items.amc80|1460744317|4019762 said:It won't do anything in the long run. Prices will go up and we will be right back where we are now. They just did this in Oregon.
My question is does this mean I don't have to tip at restaurants? The argument was always that servers made such horrible wages and tipping compensated for that.
Minimum wage shouldn't be a livable wage because it isn't designed to be a forever pay check. I mean really, a kid in high school who is flipping burgers needs to make $15 and hour?
packrat|1460746618|4019780 said:And quite frankly, the people that work here in the McD's and Taco Johns etc, the gas stations...well, maybe in the bigger cities you've got stellar examples of workmanship and job pride but 'round these here parts you get people who stare blankly at you and can't get a medium oreo frappe and two small mocha frappes right to save their lives. Seriously. Honestly, sometimes I want to say yanno, maybe you guys really do deserve that much money per hour, because it is, quite clearly, the HARDEST job on the planet. Like..harder than being in surgery, harder than figuring out business taxes. Maybe they do deserve the big bucks. And that's mean and snotty to say but good jeezly crow come ON.
+ no student loans to pay. Go work for Taco Bell right after you graduated from HS.packrat|1460761743|4019821 said:They'll finally be able to afford the lobster on their own and not have to rely on welfare for it! It's win win. Sorry poor attempt at humor.
So really, I'll be coming out ahead. I have my para license and my child development associate and work with gen Ed and special Ed preschoolers. I make 10 bucks an hour. And that's after four years here..I didn't start out at this massive wage ohhhh no. I can *totally* get on board with someone speaking Charlie Brown adult talk to me at the mcd's drive thru and repeating my chicken nuggets and small fries back to me as mcdouble with a side salad large size with a coke making 5 dollars an hour more than I. Because I'll have more money in my pocket bc this will eliminate welfare obviously. Everyone will be clamoring to have glamorous jobs like gas station employee and Kmart shoe attendant bc those will become the standard of high paying awesome jobs. Screw spending all that time and money to be a doctor or teaching little kids bitches I'ma work at Pizza Hut!
When I was 18 years old, I was a shift manager at Taco Bell. There were three men who worked there where English was their second language. They were legal immigrants. Each one of them had three jobs. The only "skills" they had were: hard working, even harder working, and the ability to survive on very little sleep.hay joe|1460830009|4020068 said:For most of us, we reap what we have sown. Repetitive remedial tasks have less value than others. Entry level positions are just that, a place to start and no one succeeds by stopping at the start. It will lessen the incentive to better one's self.
House Cat|1460832913|4020099 said:When I was 18 years old, I was a shift manager at Taco Bell. There were three men who worked there where English was their second language. They were legal immigrants. Each one of them had three jobs. The only "skills" they had were: hard working, even harder working, and the ability to survive on very little sleep.hay joe|1460830009|4020068 said:For most of us, we reap what we have sown. Repetitive remedial tasks have less value than others. Entry level positions are just that, a place to start and no one succeeds by stopping at the start. It will lessen the incentive to better one's self.
Tell me, where would they have had the time to acquire new skills while working three jobs and sleeping four hours per night?
They were my store's best employees by leaps and bounds.
Your rhetoric does not apply in the real world. People have to feed their families. They have to house their families. There are only so many hours in the day. You judge if they go on public assistance to take the time to acquire new skills. You judge if they want more money when working hard. What is the right answer for you?
hay joe|1460840359|4020158 said:House Cat|1460832913|4020099 said:When I was 18 years old, I was a shift manager at Taco Bell. There were three men who worked there where English was their second language. They were legal immigrants. Each one of them had three jobs. The only "skills" they had were: hard working, even harder working, and the ability to survive on very little sleep.hay joe|1460830009|4020068 said:For most of us, we reap what we have sown. Repetitive remedial tasks have less value than others. Entry level positions are just that, a place to start and no one succeeds by stopping at the start. It will lessen the incentive to better one's self.
Tell me, where would they have had the time to acquire new skills while working three jobs and sleeping four hours per night?
They were my store's best employees by leaps and bounds.
Your rhetoric does not apply in the real world. People have to feed their families. They have to house their families. There are only so many hours in the day. You judge if they go on public assistance to take the time to acquire new skills. You judge if they want more money when working hard. What is the right answer for you?
My rhetoric, real world, judge, judge.... you left out my skin color and religion.
"The only "skills" they had were: hard working, even harder working, and the ability to survive on very little sleep." So they did their best which is great. A very admirable thing to do. I'll bet they were willing to do this so their children could have a better life here in the United States. Again, a very admirable thing to do. Much like what my father did for me. That does not change the value of the services they provided. If you feel that a taco bell employee should be able to support a family and house good for you. You are free to believe as you which. I don't agree, and have no negative comments about your beliefs.
hay joe|1460843518|4020172 said:At 15 dollars an hour for doing a repetitive remedial task they may become unemployed. That's my concern.
azstonie|1460858942|4020248 said:No one I went to high school with held jobs at McDonald's. We babysat, worked at gas stations or small stores or in our parents' businesses. Mowed lawns. The people working at McDonald's were part timers who were moms or men who'd been to prison and that was the best job they could find.
Today, the workers I see at McDonald's are adults, not high school students.
This "high school student" justification for slave wages/no benefits is BS.
And besides, how is working long hours every week in fast food a good use of time for high school students or college students, or really ANYONE? Ya got the rest of your life to work a $#itty job for $#itty pay in sweat shop conditions. As has been pointed out, there is no "next level skill set" to be acquired in fast food. I'd much rather see a high school or college student apply themselves to their education rather than shoving garbage-level food out a window to fat diabetics who can well afford to pay REAL MONEY for real food but just don't.
Honestly, I find Americans exhausting on this subject. You want to live in a society where only a fraction have medical insurance? Hey, you're the BEST, way to be compassionate and in line with your church dogma. You want to live in a society where the quality of medical care has plummeted because we don't educate our citizens at the right time in their lives, so while you lay on your butt in the assisted living facility expect bedsores and infections and unchanged diapers and bad food and rough handling because really, that's what you receive when the overworked immigrant or undereducated person assigned to you has been treated by society this way along the way. Expect that your air conditioner, your plumbing, your electrical, your gas, your car, your refrigerator, WHATEVER cannot be fixed because we are now a nation of numbskulls because everyone worshipped at the COLLEGE COLLEGE COLLEGE altar and vocational education and training went out the window. Whole city blocks blow up because of the idiot worker who backhoes where they should not, or the gas company gave up on maintenance because "it costs too much." Same thing for the infrastructure of the US---roads, bridges and the like. No complaining from you when the bridge crumbles from beneath you. You want low taxes and less government. Well you got it now, baby.
Because, hey, buying cheap shit at a constant rate is worth more to you than a healthy, educated and competent society.
I'm so sick of people who think they will be untouched by the have-nots and the dumbed down society the US has become. So sure, let's have LESS government (you love those airbags that kill you with shrapnel, highly contaminated drinking water, unbreathable air, bad roads, uninspected food sources and drugs, etc.).
And has been said already over on the Millenial threat, GET OFF MY LAWN YOU KIDS!
Yssie said:I agree that raising the minimum wage without other actions - tax reform, anyone? - isn't going to achieve a darned thing.
Well - besides raise unemployment, and force many more people into part time positions sans benefits.
Gypsy|1460863281|4020266 said:hay joe|1460843518|4020172 said:At 15 dollars an hour for doing a repetitive remedial task they may become unemployed. That's my concern.
Most people I know WANT to work. They don't want to sit on unemployment getting depressed day after day. They want to be active.
And you can't sit on unemployment indefinitely. That's just BS. You have to LOOK for work. There are conditions for it. And it expires.
I agree with azstone.
VirginiaZee|1460867251|4020298 said:Yssie said:I agree that raising the minimum wage without other actions - tax reform, anyone? - isn't going to achieve a darned thing.
Well - besides raise unemployment, and force many more people into part time positions sans benefits.
This. I have a friend in backwoods Oregon, she's working retail and is worried about hours or positions being cut. It seems that there are no easy answers.