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What''s Obama hiding?
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$300,000,000 divided by $50 (the average Obama donation) is 6,000,000 donors. I wouldn''t release an entire list either. Not to mention people who have paid $5 for a bumper sticker, $20 for a t-shirt, $20 for a baseball cap, etc.
And attorney-client privilege is just like doctor-patient privilege. The client/patient can have information released if they want it to be released to a third party, but the lawyer/doctor cannot release anything unless subpoenaed, or the client/patient requests it. If the lawyer/doctor released information without a request from the client/patient, it would be illegal. Kudos to Obama''s team for keeping it LEGAL.
And attorney-client privilege is just like doctor-patient privilege. The client/patient can have information released if they want it to be released to a third party, but the lawyer/doctor cannot release anything unless subpoenaed, or the client/patient requests it. If the lawyer/doctor released information without a request from the client/patient, it would be illegal. Kudos to Obama''s team for keeping it LEGAL.
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Date: 10/25/2008 4:24:09 PM
Author: zhuzhu
Regarding Obama, Oceanbreez simply has no ability and intention to stop finding things of 'concerns'. It is getting really old. What is the point of addressing her pointless 'concerns'?
True...but I wouldn't have gotten to make my hilarious joke about Obama's DNA test to prove he's not the anti-Christ without Oshinbreez's "concerns"!
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Date: 10/25/2008 4:57:23 PM
Author: thing2of2
True...but I wouldn''t have gotten to make my hilarious joke about Obama''s DNA test to prove he''s not the anti-Christ without Oshinbreez''s ''concerns''!
there''s a test?! why didn''t you tell me?! i want bush, rove, cheney, and palin submitted to it immediately!
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Date: 10/25/2008 5:08:12 PM
Author: movie zombie
Date: 10/25/2008 4:57:23 PM
Author: thing2of2
True...but I wouldn''t have gotten to make my hilarious joke about Obama''s DNA test to prove he''s not the anti-Christ without Oshinbreez''s ''concerns''!
there''s a test?! why didn''t you tell me?! i want bush, rove, cheney, and palin submitted to it immediately!
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HA! I''ll try to make that happen as soon as I get Obama''s results. If it turns out he isn''t the anti-Christ, then Bush, Rove and Cheney are next on the list. Although I think we all know it''s going to be Cheney!
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Date: 10/25/2008 5:17:51 PM
Author: MoonWater
LOL, you guys are cracking me up.
Btw, Cheney isn't the anti-Christ. He's Darth Vader. I thought this was common knowledge.
Crap! I must have missed that segment on Fox News! It's hard to watch Fox News 24 hours a day, but I do my best so I can stay informed about what's REALLY going on in this election!
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I DO think he should release the entire list because it's just downright shady.
The Obama campaign intentionally disabled all default credit card security checks put forth by the merchant processor. Why would they do that? That's shady.
It's a big deal because you can go to his site, type in any name or address you want (pee-wee herman, even!) and the money is taken every single time. Multiple donations are being made under the same card with different names and different addresses.
Apparently someone from the NRO donated on Obama's site under Saddam, Osama...etc, and the money was taken out of the account no problem (despite the "offline" security they claim to have).
Compare all of this McCain's site. The same person tried it there and they were rejected before the card even processed.
I'm tempted to give it a try myself, but that would mean that I have to give money to Obama. Anyone else wanna give it a go?
So, IF they catch it and IF the money is returned eventually...it's been taking months. The election is in less that two weeks. Is he "borrowing" the money??? You could say that it's impossible for to keep track of all of those donations, but not if he would have started from the beginning. IMO.
Example 1:
http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/10/23/donor-patrol-obamas-online-site-accepts-more-fakes/
Example 2:
http://corner.nationalreview.com/ajax.p?md5=dd40bb4150bbbfcaee19eb6414386bac
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It must be terribly difficult to believe that Obama could be attracting so much more money than McCain. Picking on the method of collecting the money -- not being "secure" enough? People can give under the names of terrorists?? Scandal! I wonder if I tried to donate to Breast Cancer Research charities if they''d let me donate under the name Minnie Mouse? I''m so weary of all this spook scare gotcha nit picky throw every slimy accusation against the wall & hope it sticks. What are you even suggesting ... that people are donating multiple times, over the limit? Why are all these RICH folks *for* wealth-spreading again?
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It obviously doesn't matter to you, but for some of us it does.
That's exactly what people are suggesting. That, and he's getting money from out of the country (that verification has been disabled as well).
Tell me, if he's got nothing to hide, why NOT just show the birth certificate? Why NOT just release the names? He's stood up when other things were wrong...why not these things?
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He did show the birth certification ... to people who have verified it was the real thing. Same as McCain did with his medical records -- didn't release them, but allowed examination.
The money is a non-issue to me. If he is abiding by the law -- why should it matter? You're picking on the small donors ... how much dirty money gets to the Republicans through the back door that's never declared in any way. We'll never know. You think McCain is gonna release a list?
D-e-s-p-e-r-a-t-i-o-n. Kitchen sink politics. Michelle Obama's thesis? Really? Really? Some African Americans in 99% white environments feel threatened. What a controversial stance!!! How is she still walking the streets free??!!! Unbelievable.
The money is a non-issue to me. If he is abiding by the law -- why should it matter? You're picking on the small donors ... how much dirty money gets to the Republicans through the back door that's never declared in any way. We'll never know. You think McCain is gonna release a list?
D-e-s-p-e-r-a-t-i-o-n. Kitchen sink politics. Michelle Obama's thesis? Really? Really? Some African Americans in 99% white environments feel threatened. What a controversial stance!!! How is she still walking the streets free??!!! Unbelievable.
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Who do you think McCain showed his medical records to ... THE MEDIA. It''s not "total difference" ... its, in fact, EXACTLY THE SAME.
And as to the law regarding funding ... you have no idea if the GOP is abiding by the law EITHER. Who knows what happens behind closed doors? The GOP claims they aren''t stealing votes with fixed voting machines ... many people feel differently. Not just Democrats. The Obama campaign doesn''t have to list donors of under $200 amounts. It is an honor system to some extent -- and changing the rules & demanding release just because some folks are PARANOID about the funding dichotomy between the two campaigns (due to, EXCITEMENT & PASSION ... you know religious like fervor ... Messiah, blah, blah, blah ... you guys want to argue every side. People think he''s a god, but only foreign dictators & fakers would be donating money to him. MAKE UP YOUR MIND!!!)
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Deco...it''s not the same. I''m not talking about medical records. I''m talking about proving that he was born in the United States.
Somebody filed a complaint back in March questioning McCain''s citizenship. What did he do???? He cleared it up immediately. Hired two non-partisan lawyers, SHOWED HIS DOCUMENTS, and got it over with.
Obama shows his to a couple of people from the media. They have authenticating power now? He ignores the several people in several states that are questioning it. The Obama campaign. Who urged people to call into a radio station, flooding the phone lines in anger, when a host dared to have someone on who wasn''t pro-Obama. To some people, that''s fishy.
Doesn''t matter anyway. The case was dropped yesterday because the guy suing is a civilian.
As for the rest of your post, sure there is no way to prove that the GOP isn''t "cheating" either. But look at the link I provided:
But a New York Times analysis of campaign finance records looking for obvious anomalies in donor information quickly found more than a dozen contributors to Mr. Obama using obviously fictitious name. This was a tiny fraction of Mr. Obama’s donor pool, but it appeared from the analysis that Mr. McCain had far fewer apparent fake names among his donors.
I believe this is due to several things. First, Obama going against his word and opting out of public financing...a system that was put in place to prevent fraudulent donors.
Then MANUALLY removing all the default security checks in the system so you can use the same card with multiple different names and addresses--which enables people to vote fraudulently. The links I provided earlier show the fraud in progress! Money taken out of accounts no questions asked! The NRO made a good point the other day...even if the campaign is returning all of the money when THEY decide that it is a fraud, how much interest is he making off of it? No one said that that they are worried that "only" foreign dictators and fakers" are donating to his campaign. But since those links that I provided show fraud in action, it makes you wonder just how often it is happening.
McCain has gone above and beyond to be honest re: campaign contributions. I wouldn''t say Obama is doing the opposite, but his campaign has made it really easy to cheat. Do both have fraudulent donors? Sure. But Obama has way more.
LOL who thinks he''s a god? Not Republicans. We JOKE that he must be a God because women are saying that they want to have his babies and people are writing songs and creating music videos in his honor. Because he had a halo on the cover of newsweek. Because he sends shivers up Chris Mathew''s leg. Because he had greek columns at his acceptance speech. Because he''s a freaking politician and yet people CRY in his presence. I don''t think anyone thinks he''s a god more than HIMSELF though...creating his own presidential seal, replacing the American flag on his plane with the Obama symbol, "the rise of the ocean beginning to slow", etc. I guess noticing these things and making fun of them is just jealousy. LOL. It''s a win-win for me if Obama becomes president (which it looks like he''s going to) because "Mark my words...in six months" the media will get over him and his more extreme followers are going to wonder why they still have bad credit and can''t get a car. lol!
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Date: 10/26/2008 3:29:03 PM
Author: luckystar112
Oops. I pulled a ''Piper''s LV bag''. I retract my statement about Obama replacing the flag on his plane with the O symbol. Should have looked into it first.
Bummer...I was hoping it was true! I''ve always liked his "O" logo better than the flag...here''s to the United Socialist States of Obama!
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You're right about one thing: both have fraudulent donors
McCain's contributor database shows at least 201 donations from individuals listing themselves as "anonymous" or "anonymous anonymous," according to Obama's campaign. In one particularly embarrassing episode, the McCain campaign mistakenly sent a fundraising solicitation to the Russian ambassador to the United Nations.
There isn't any proof that Obama is breaking any laws. Its just SUCH a bummer he has so much support from regular old *people*.
Under current law, there is also very little policing of small-dollar contributions. The false donations uncovered by news outlets or by rival campaigns have all involved more than $200, because those contributions must be disclosed in published reports. The campaigns are not required to share any information about donors who give less than $200. And they are not required even to keep records of donors who give less than $50 — they can even give cash.
And I wonder how much "interest" McCain earned on this $:
John McCain's campaign has refunded more than $1.2 million in contributions from anonymous, excessive, and fraudulent contributors
Yeah, the "borrowing of money" is the problem now. What an OBSCENE amount of interest Obama is probably earning on money that they then lawfully return, as does McCain. I guess the crime here is making the point of entry easier for the laymen. Making donation easier & sorting out wheat from the chaff later AFTER the moment of generosity has passed. HOW DARE THEY! If the GOP doesn't like it -- work on changing the campaign finance laws. Don't expect a grass-roots campaign to hold itself to whatever standard the opposition FEELS like at the moment. But, of course, you'd rather everyone be donating to charity anyway and use our TAX $$ for campaigns ...
If Obama only did THIS or THAT then surely he'd have your support. NOT. Hoop jumping isn't what Mavericks do, is it?
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lol...Deco. You''re right, Obama will never have my support. I wasn''t presenting this argument for you to try to convince me, nor is this even REMOTELY the reason why I''m not voting for him. This benign compared to the other stuff that bothers me. I was merely posting as a devil''s advocate as to why some people would think it is shady. And if you read my post again, you''ll see that I did not deny, and in fact admitted, that McCain has shady contributions as well.
And apparently leaders from BOTH sides of the aisle would prefer that internet donations are taken out of equation in future elections all-together. It makes fraud too easy. And they are already talking about campaign finance reform to the tune of increasing the public financing amount and other measures to make it more fair. A lot of people think Obama is "buying" the election. Note: I did not say *me*, so please do not make this about me, personally.
And apparently leaders from BOTH sides of the aisle would prefer that internet donations are taken out of equation in future elections all-together. It makes fraud too easy. And they are already talking about campaign finance reform to the tune of increasing the public financing amount and other measures to make it more fair. A lot of people think Obama is "buying" the election. Note: I did not say *me*, so please do not make this about me, personally.
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