What you think?

[jonohall]

Hey guys,

what you think of the stone at this link. I reckon I will get Jogia to make an engagement ring for me.

http://www.jogiadiamonds.com.au/diamonds/diamonditem.php?code=SS1140

Does this diamond seem reasonable value for money? What should I make of the fluorescence?

The cut proportions seem good.

All opinions welcome.

thanks in advance!

 

[Dreamer_D]

Date: 12/19/2009 7:47:40 PM
Author:jonohall
Hey guys,

what you think of the stone at this link. I reckon I will get Jogia to make an engagement ring for me.

http://www.jogiadiamonds.com.au/diamonds/diamonditem.php?code=SS1140

Does this diamond seem reasonable value for money? What should I make of the fluorescence?

The cut proportions seem good.

All opinions welcome.

thanks in advance!

Made it clickable

 

[Dreamer_D]

It looks great!

Can''t speak to price since I don''t know the conversion. You can check some of the US vendors and do your own comparisons, there is a search function above.

Are you choosing VVS because you like that clarity? I only ask because sometimes people think that is the only way to get an eye clean diamond, but you can go as low as VS2 without worry about visible inclusions. You pay a high premium for VVS, so unless it is something you specifically like then you can get a larger rock perhaps for your money, or save some money by dropping clarity.

 

[Dreamer_D]

RE Flor. Medium blue means that in the sunlight the dimond will take on a slightly violet or bluish tint, and in blacklight it will glow blue. I think with med flor it will be subtle. Sometimes very very rarely flor can have a negative effect on the diamond''s appearance in sunlight, making it look oily, but usually that is with stong and very stron blue flor. But to be safe you can ask the vendor about whether the flor affects the diamonds appearance in sunlight. But it is unlikely.

 

[jonohall]

No, not specifically choosing VVS. There is only a limited choice of ''in house'' diamonds from Jogia and this one suits best what I want. Just under a carat (tiny girlfriend - no need to go crazy with size), colourless, ideal cut.

The vendor felt the fluorescence has no detrimental effect.

cheers for the quick reply.

 

[Dreamer_D]

You''re welcome!

 

[Lorelei]

Looks like a good diamond!

 

[jonohall]

Yeah they all look pretty nice. Looking at the videos its hard to tell them apart.

Anyone have an opinion on the cost? I don''t expect to profit or anything but just don''t want to pay far too much!

Also, does anyone reckon it looks at all cloudy in the lit up video?

Its not cheap for me

thanks

 

[jonohall]

Also, is the thickish girdle ok?

The crown + pavilion + girdle does not equal the total depth. Does this mean its a warped diamond? (I just read that on the forum lol.)

geez. harder than buying a car.

 

[Lorelei]

Date: 12/20/2009 10:51:17 PM
Author: jonohall
Also, is the thickish girdle ok?

The crown + pavilion + girdle does not equal the total depth. Does this mean its a warped diamond? (I just read that on the forum lol.)

geez. harder than buying a car.

The girdle is absolutely fine, thin to slightly thick is right in the sweet spot.

As to *warped diamonds* you have no need to worry. You can do a search above to get further reassurance on this subject.

 

[jonohall]

Have reserved the diamond and just about to put a deposit down.

Any more opinions? go for it? back out now? ;P

http://www.jogiadiamonds.com.au/diamonds/diamonditem.php?code=SS1140

cheers

 

[jonohall]

What do people think of the ideal-scope image? Its not as bright as some of the others?

 

[Lorelei]

Date: 12/22/2009 11:01:05 PM
Author: jonohall
Have reserved the diamond and just about to put a deposit down.

Any more opinions? go for it? back out now? ;P

http://www.jogiadiamonds.com.au/diamonds/diamonditem.php?code=SS1140

cheers

This image looks as if it has been cut off slightly around the edges, probably when they cropped it to post the image....From what I can see it looks ok but its not a great image in so far as the quality of the image itself, maybe Jogia could retake it if you ask them.

 

[Stephan]

Other will disagree with me, but I would never buy a diamond that has medium fluo + internal graining + surface graining. I would prefer a VS diamond without graining.

 

[stone-cold11]

Date: 12/23/2009 6:05:12 AM
Author: QueenMum
Other will disagree with me, but I would never buy a diamond that has medium fluo + internal graining + surface graining. I would prefer a VS diamond without graining.

At VVS level, you will never see anything, also with needle as the grade setter, the other two types of inclusions are even smaller.

Girdle is fine, idealscope, the diamond looks tilted when the image is taken. wrap diamond is something recently intro for GIA graded stones, but seems to be the norm for other parts of the world to prevent switching of the stones, but it also prevents a better inspection of the stone, not worth it especially if you are buying it from a trusted vendor.

 

[Lorelei]

Date: 12/23/2009 6:26:33 AM
Author: Stone-cold11

Date: 12/23/2009 6:05:12 AM
Author: QueenMum
Other will disagree with me, but I would never buy a diamond that has medium fluo + internal graining + surface graining. I would prefer a VS diamond without graining.

At VVS level, you will never see anything, also with needle as the grade setter, the other two types of inclusions are even smaller.

Girdle is fine, idealscope, the diamond looks tilted when the image is taken. wrap diamond is something recently intro for GIA graded stones, but seems to be the norm for other parts of the world to prevent switching of the stones, but it also prevents a better inspection of the stone, not worth it especially if you are buying it from a trusted vendor.

SC, if you mean the term ' warped diamond' mentioned by the OP, this originated from the head of diamondcuttersinternational, a Mr Fred Cuellar. It has nothing to do with GIA as far as I am aware. Mr Cuellar says a diamond is ' warped' if the total crown, girdle and pavilion percentages don't equal the depth %.

Read this thread for more info, and there are many more in the archives.

https://www.pricescope.com/community/threads/question-about-warped-diamonds.49418/

 

[stone-cold11]

I thought he meant the sealed diamonds.

 

[Stephan]

Date: 12/23/2009 6:26:33 AM
Author: Stone-cold11
At VVS level, you will never see anything, also with needle as the grade setter, the other two types of inclusions are even smaller.

I'm not talking about inclusions, but about the effect of graining with fluorescence.
In most of the case, graining won't affect the clarity grade of a diamond.
Only in rare cases, graining with a whitish haze can downgrade the clarity grade of a diamond. Otherwise it won't.

 

[stone-cold11]

Still it is a VVS.

 

[Lorelei]

Date: 12/23/2009 6:40:04 AM
Author: Stone-cold11
I thought he meant the sealed diamonds.

Ok, no he meant warped which is rather a controversial subject around here!

 

[Stephan]

Date: 12/23/2009 6:43:19 AM
Author: Stone-cold11
Still it is a VVS.

Yes, with medium fluorescence, surface and internal graining.
Those can have bad effects I''ve already seen.
I would pass on it, especially if I''m a VVS lover.

 

[stone-cold11]

Date: 12/23/2009 6:46:52 AM
Author: QueenMum

Date: 12/23/2009 6:43:19 AM

Author: Stone-cold11

Still it is a VVS.

Yes, with medium fluorescence, surface and internal graining.

Those can have bad effects I've already seen.

I would pass on it, especially if I'm a VVS lover.

And he is not a VVS lover, just that is the only in house stone in budget and criteria for him.

Date: 12/19/2009 8:23:01 PM
Author: jonohall
No, not specifically choosing VVS. There is only a limited choice of 'in house' diamonds from Jogia and this one suits best what I want. Just under a carat (tiny girlfriend - no need to go crazy with size), colourless, ideal cut.

The vendor felt the fluorescence has no detrimental effect.

cheers for the quick reply.

 

[Stephan]

Let me say it another way:
Fluo + graining can have bad effects when they come together.
I''ve already seen those effects.
I would pass on it, especially in a VVS diamond.
If you pay for VVS, you pay for purity.

 

[stone-cold11]

Can mean will 100% be definitely bad? I would defer that judgement to the vendor who has the stone in hand or the independent appraiser than just speculation.

 

[Stephan]

Date: 12/23/2009 7:09:56 AM
Author: Stone-cold11
Can mean will 100% be definitely bad?

No, of course.

I would defer that judgement to the vendor who has the stone in hand or the independent appraiser than just speculation.

I wouldn't pay for a VVS diamond with fluo and graining, with or without appraiser.
I don't see what is speculation here.

 

[jonohall]

Ok guys. now I don''t know what to do.

What bad effects can come about from fluorescence + graining exactly?

You said it can be bad but in what manner/way?

cheers for all replies though.

 

[jonohall]

QueenMum. What are the bad effects that can come about from fluorescence and graining coming together? thanks

Anyone else have an opinion to help me make my decision? cheers

 

[Stephan]

My personal experience is that such a combination can weaken the fire or make it look blurry in strong lighting. In diffuse lighting, you shouldn''t notice anything.
I repeat myself: if you pay for VVS, you don''t need fluorescence + internal graining + surface graining.