What factors cause OECs to have "bubbly" flowery facets?

[Moonie]

Top left is a tranny in my book: large table.
The other is a shallow OEC.

A good example of "bubbly" OEC is August Vintage European Round which often has PA greater than 41.0

0.9ct E VS2 August Vintage European Cut 74529717

Diamond Details Measurements 5.92 - 5.98 x 4.05 Cut Grade Ideal Polish Ideal Symmetry Ideal Fluorescence Negligible Culet Pointed Report Click here to view this diamonds AGS Report. Table 0.491 Depth 0.679

www.distinctivegem.com

Agree that AV OEC have the most perfect bubbly facets. The facets look almost completely round in the middle to me in a flower cluster.

 

[Moonie]

Oh I see. So one would buy an OEC which is designed (i.e. august vintage) to be bubbly instead of buying an antique diamond which is cut 100 yrs ago. Unless one is lucky enough to find an antique “bubbly” OEC.

I have seen some ladies here with very bubbly and lovely OECs that are antiques. I'm sorry I'm forgetting some of their names but @missy and @foxinsox @diamondseeker2006 (based on her avatar) come to mind?

 

[Moonie]

Here is a "checkerboard" style OEC.

Victor Canera

www.victorcanera.com

The pavilion angle is relative low at 40.8 and lower girdle length is short (though not indicated on the two).

Hmm interesting, would you say that it still does have the flowery facets in the center? I guess based on the visuals I'm having a hard time saying what has checkerboard patterns or not (aside from the fact that the facets are very crisp looking).

 

[Moonie]

@Moonie the N from parks if you really like it, is available...

So gorgeous and what a steal!! I was quite tempted but I actually ended up pulling a trigger on a very similar stat OEC (2.23M VS1) - interestingly enough with the exact same depth and table! The fact that they were so similar but that the facets looked a little different piqued my interest. My ring isn't here yet so I'll certainly do a lot of staring and photos to see if I can tell the difference hehe.

 

[Moonie]

My diamond shown in my avatar is an example of a "bubbly" OEC.

And such a gorgeous diamond!! I love how clear the center flower facets look. Would you be willing to share the stats on it?

 

[Moonie]

I’d consider these two to be ‘checkerboard’


and these two to be more like a pinwheel


I don’t have the most extensive experience with in person viewing of OEC
But have experienced seeing a stone or two that the camera could focus on the right depth and capture a nice floral center pattern, but the eye didn’t.

mine is wonky so it’s like a mutt crossbreed, depending on the viewing angle of what you’d see.

I think I understand what you mean by checkerboard in the top two! They have very nice clear patterns but not a clear floral pattern. Is that what you mean?

 

[joelly]

For sure!! I love that antique stones are all different...I find that they were hand cut so romantic and I love that they have different flavors...can't go wrong <3

I was told by a jeweler that there is no OEC out there that’s the same because they were cut individually under candlelight, unless they are not old/antique cuts.

 

[joelly]

I have seen some ladies here with very bubbly and lovely OECs that are antiques. I'm sorry I'm forgetting some of their names but @missy and @foxinsox @diamondseeker2006 (based on her avatar) come to mind?

True! I love @missy Bubbalah especially.

 

[flyingpig]

Hmm interesting, would you say that it still does have the flowery facets in the center? I guess based on the visuals I'm having a hard time saying what has checkerboard patterns or not (aside from the fact that the facets are very crisp looking).

I say this particular stone is flowery, but not bubbly.

 

[missy]

I have seen some ladies here with very bubbly and lovely OECs that are antiques. I'm sorry I'm forgetting some of their names but @missy and @foxinsox @diamondseeker2006 (based on her avatar) come to mind?

Here's a close up shot of Bubbalah showing her facets.

 

[missy]

True! I love @missy Bubbalah especially.

Thank you @joelly and I LOVE your OEC.
Have you named her yet?

 

[flyingpig]

I think I understand what you mean by checkerboard in the top two! They have very nice clear patterns but not a clear floral pattern. Is that what you mean?

In these photos, the diamonds are tilted. Many diamonds with large pavilion main facets (OEC, tranny, or even some MRB) can appear blocky when tilted. And I am not too sure if I classify the first stone as an OEC.
There are some trannies and MRBs that look like an OEC.
What you normally consider a checkboard OEC may not be an OEC after all.

 

[joelly]

Thank you @joelly and I LOVE your OEC.
Have you named her yet?

@missy I haven’t.... I’m trying to survive this waiting period

 

[missy]

@missy I haven’t.... I’m trying to survive this waiting period

Yes and maybe coming up with names will be a good distraction?
Just saying...

 

[Moonie]

Here's a close up shot of Bubbalah showing her facets.

Every time I see your ring I swoooooon

 

[Moonie]

In these photos, the diamonds are tilted. Many diamonds with large pavilion main facets (OEC, tranny, or even some MRB) can appear blocky when tilted. And I am not too sure if I classify the first stone as an OEC.
There are some trannies and MRBs that look like an OEC.
What you normally consider a checkboard OEC may not be an OEC after all.

That was something I was wondering as well...maybe flowery facets (especially bubbly ones) look more so straight down from the top. I'm still having a hard time telling unless I stare at it straight on haha.

 

[Moonie]

Yes and maybe coming up with names will be a good distraction?
Just saying...

@joelly did you end up picking one?? I'm so happy for you! Did you get a chance to see it in person?

 

[Roselina]

A pair of OEC, maybe transitional earrings, one more checkered, one more flowery, I‘d say.

 

[joelly]

Here's a close up shot of Bubbalah showing her facets.

Oh wow look at those facets. Bubbalah is bubblycious

 

[joelly]

@joelly did you end up picking one?? I'm so happy for you! Did you get a chance to see it in person?

I saw it in person yes. @missy helped me.

It’s so nerve wrecking as I have to wear mask and all. But gosh it’s such a lovely experience. A jeweler does have a lot of diamonds. Of course I have to touch every single one of them.

So I chose thru pictures but I saw my chosen one in person before buying it.

Hubby was offered a tie holder which crusted with 50 pointers asschers. It’s TDF but hubby casually said oh I don’t wear a tie ...

 

[joelly]

Every time I see your ring I swoooooon

Me too... The earth is suddenly moving under my feet... the most beautiful OEC I’ve ever seen.

 

[joelly]

Yes and maybe coming up with names will be a good distraction?
Just saying...

So true... I need some inspiration

 

[Moonie]

@joelly do you have photos or videos you could share?? that's so exciting that you were able to visit! Also jealous that @missy the OEC whisperer was able to help you!

 

[joelly]

@joelly do you have photos or videos you could share?? that's so exciting that you were able to visit! Also jealous that @missy the OEC whisperer was able to help you!

I know right? She is the OEC whisperer. I like that

 

[joelly]

@joelly do you have photos or videos you could share?? that's so exciting that you were able to visit! Also jealous that @missy the OEC whisperer was able to help you!

@Moonie just for you some videos

 

[gregchang35]

So gorgeous and what a steal!! I was quite tempted but I actually ended up pulling a trigger on a very similar stat OEC (2.23M VS1) - interestingly enough with the exact same depth and table! The fact that they were so similar but that the facets looked a little different piqued my interest. My ring isn't here yet so I'll certainly do a lot of staring and photos to see if I can tell the difference hehe.

oh- did you post a video or pic of it? I may have missed it...

Did you get from Alex??!
pls share!

 

[ForteKitty]

Beautiful! Just based on the photos, the three in calipers almost seem transitional to me? But I'm going off on photos of transitionals that Jewels by Grace has posted of her stones.

Early American Cut is what most of us call Transitional cuts. You should get Al Gilbertson's book, it's very educational.

 

[ForteKitty]

Thanks for the super detailed explanation! I became really curious because I noticed that the first 2.23N OEC stone that Alex posted (video above) has the exact same table and depth as the OEC that I chose (47% table, 62.7% depth) but our overall measurements are a little different (I'm sure to be expected). In fact mine is a little more "spready" although by very very small amount. I guess the way you cut the diamond aside from table and depth would affect the "bubbly" look of the center facets?

Yeah, table and depth really isn't enough to determine the look. Just a tiny change in upper/lower half and angle can change everything. I've seen an oec with 60% depth with beautiful petals and another 60% depth with terrible girdle reflection, even though both had similar table sizes and no girdle. There are so many factor I really just go with my eyes. If I can get to the safe this week, I'll take out my tray of oecs to photograph... i've collected about 20 or so for projects, and most of them are late european cut/early american cuts. eta: there are some posted in my IG but the box pic isn't updated.

 

[foxinsox]

I have seen some ladies here with very bubbly and lovely OECs that are antiques. I'm sorry I'm forgetting some of their names but @missy and @foxinsox @diamondseeker2006 (based on her avatar) come to mind?

I think mine's not what I'd call a bubbly OEC as I understand it from this discussion - my table is 52% so probably too large. AVRs definitely look to me to be bubbly OECs

 

[joelly]

I think mine's not what I'd call a bubbly OEC as I understand it from this discussion - my table is 52% so probably too large. AVRs definitely look to me to be bubbly OECs

Look at that flowery facets. It’s gorgeous!