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vr4_rider

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Ask them if they are both eye clean. Can they take pictures side by side for you to compare? Id probably pick the 2.5, Expert select is still good. :wavey: ETA eye clean from both the top and the side at 6" ??
 
Whoa, those are gorgeous stones! I think the big question that only you can answer is whether the larger size would be something that would be desirable for her. For me personally, I'd rather have the 2.2 ACA just because I wouldn't feel comfortable wearing a 2.5 ct stone and I would know that it was the top of the top of cut quality. But if most of her friends have 2.5-3 ct stones, then you'd best choose the 2.5!!! But if her friends and sisters mostly have 1 carat stones, for example, she may think a 2.2 ct stone is huge! So much depends on her personal situation and whether the greater size is really desired. Has she ever expressed any preferences regarding diamond size?
 
Thanks, guys and gals!

I am looking at the AGSL Computer Generated Light Performance Map and the 2.2 looks so much more red. There is a lot of gray in the 2.5.

Are these computer generated maps accurate?

What is a Sarin report?

Thanks!
 
Look at the idealscope image which is not computer generated. The 2.2 is more perfectly cut. But even the 2.5 is AGS ideal cut and a top quality stone. I don't think you could see the difference looking at the actual stones. The lab report on the 2.5 would be one that anyone should be proud to present to someone. But again, so much depends on whether the size is a big factor for her.
 
DS, you're always a pleasant to hear from.

Here is the hearts images of the Expert Selected 2.5.

h_ags_104053182001_0.jpg

What do you guys think?
 
Also can someone teach me what all the angles mean? Like crown table angle, etc?

And what HCA is?

Thanks!
 
diamondseeker2006|1354473182|3320604 said:
Whoa, those are gorgeous stones! I think the big question that only you can answer is whether the larger size would be something that would be desirable for her. For me personally, I'd rather have the 2.2 ACA just because I wouldn't feel comfortable wearing a 2.5 ct stone and I would know that it was the top of the top of cut quality. But if most of her friends have 2.5-3 ct stones, then you'd best choose the 2.5!!! But if her friends and sisters mostly have 1 carat stones, for example, she may think a 2.2 ct stone is huge! So much depends on her personal situation and whether the greater size is really desired. Has she ever expressed any preferences regarding diamond size?
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DS, the idealscope on both are so similar it makes it hard to tell the difference.

I've shown her the 2.5 and she loves it. But she also wants the best light performance that we can afford (but if you can't tell between 2.5 and the 2.2 then it doesn't matter to us. The computer generated image on the AGS report shows a lot of gray (light leakage) on the 2.5, but we don't know if that will mean anything in real life).

I'm thinking about getting it shipped so we can see it.

Our concern is also how AGS is more lenient with color vs GIA color.

AGS H VS2

or

AGS G SI1

Which would you guys pick?
 
I think you would notice a difference in size more than any difference in light performance. Both are well cut, WF is just so particular about what is ACA graded.
 
You don't need the HCA with AGS Ideal cut diamonds. We mainly use that to narrow down the field with GIA excellent cut stones because it is such a broad category. I personally would be afraid of SI1 in a 2+ carat stone, so I would stick with the H VS2. We have several members here with large H VS stones and they seem to be happy with the color. I do like G color, but unless you can go to VS2, I wouldn't make that leap.

I do not believe you will be able to see anything negative in the 2.5 H VS2. If she thinks that is the size she wants, I think that stone is an excellent value! Just check and make sure they tell you if it is eyeclean from the sides if the sides will be seen once set.

Sending for it is a good idea. Just remember that it will take on environmental color and be affected by the lighting. It will appear whiter in some lighting and environments than others, which is true of most diamonds.

(And thank you!)
 
Did someone from here buy this diamond? It has been sold.
 
oh thats a shame :(
Lurkers will do that. Try and put the next one you find on hold.
 
Oh, goodness! I thought you were ready to put one on hold the other day or I would have urged you to do so! If there is a stone you are really interested in, it is good to put it on hold before posting here (or immediately after getting input) because there are many more people who read the forums than post. Of course, I am sure WF has a huge number of customers who have never come here, so there is no telling if a reader here bought it. But obviously, it was meant for someone else, so there must be another one for you! That 2.2 was very nice!
 
Noooo. I'm really sorry. Maybe that ACA is meant to be yours? If you still want a larger ES, ask WF if they're getting more sometime soon.
 
Have you thought about Phoenix's 2.6 ct H SI-2 diamond that she has up for sale? It's an original BGD H & A so the cut is top notch. The inclusion is off to the side and extremely eye clean! I once considered seriously purchasing it for myself! Here's the original link:

[URL='https://www.pricescope.com/community/threads/pics-of-2-656ct-barbara-pendant-5-444ctw-3-stone-ring.163076/']https://www.pricescope.com/community/threads/pics-of-2-656ct-barbara-pendant-5-444ctw-3-stone-ring.163076/[/URL]

She's got it on consignment on Leon Mege's website now:

http://www.micropave.com/index.php/loose-diamonds/2-65-carat-ideal-cut-round-diamond-h-si-2-color-clarity-hearts-and-arrows-100-eye-clean.html
 
Thanks guys/gals for psoting. I guess I won't do that next time..haha. I think I've learn enough about about diamonds to make my own judgement. I'l post info AFTER I buy.

For the 2.6 BGD diamond, 34k is a bit much for a used diamond and SI2? It's a gorgeous stone!

What's the general % loss on a Heart and Arrow diamond?

And I've been using the HCA calculator for fun. Does it highly correlate (i.e.; is it accurate?) with diamond performance?

The reason I ask was because last night, I was playing with the numbers, and the lowest I got was a .5 HCA.

Why don't all diamonds get cut to specs that will give a .5 HCA if that will give the best fire, brillance, etc?

Thank!
 
I think Phoenix would be willing to take offers on that 2.6 BGD stone. So if you're interested, you should find out more info. I think it would look perfect in a halo!
 
vr4_rider|1354984772|3326237 said:
Thanks guys/gals for psoting. I guess I won't do that next time..haha. I think I've learn enough about about diamonds to make my own judgement. I'l post info AFTER I buy.

For the 2.6 BGD diamond, 34k is a bit much for a used diamond and SI2? It's a gorgeous stone!

What's the general % loss on a Heart and Arrow diamond?

And I've been using the HCA calculator for fun. Does it highly correlate (i.e.; is it accurate?) with diamond performance?

The reason I ask was because last night, I was playing with the numbers, and the lowest I got was a .5 HCA.

Why don't all diamonds get cut to specs that will give a .5 HCA if that will give the best fire, brillance, etc?

Thank!
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Because lower is not better when it comes to an HCA score. Under 2 is worth exploring and there are many great stones under 3 as well. But you don't use the HCA on AGS ideal cut stones because those have been evaluated for light performance by AGS. Most of the stones I like score above 1 on the HCA.

Not sure what you mean by percent loss on Hearts and arrows? I don't see any loss involved!
 
Thanks M2B and DS!

So I should never use the HCA with a AGS stone? If so, then it makes it a lot easier..haha.

What I mean by % loss is: Do diamonds lose value when buying new vs used? And if so, what is the % you would lose (e.g.; A new diamond is 30,000. If I were to sell it after I had it a few years, what would I sell it for?)

Sorry for such newbie questions.
 
vr4_rider|1355010570|3326477 said:
Thanks M2B and DS!

So I should never use the HCA with a AGS stone? If so, then it makes it a lot easier..haha.

What I mean by % loss is: Do diamonds lose value when buying new vs used? And if so, what is the % you would lose (e.g.; A new diamond is 30,000. If I were to sell it after I had it a few years, what would I sell it for?)

Sorry for such newbie questions.
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Correct, we mainly use the HCA to narrow down the wide GIA Excellent category. AGS ideal cut is great almost all the time. I have a seen a couple I didn't like, though, so I always prefer seeing images.

Selling immediately would result in loss, although WF may still have a buy back policy within one year of something like 70 percent (I need to look that up). They used to, at least. But the good thing about WF is that you could always trade that diamond in at any point for a new one if she wanted something different. You can't predict reselling in a few years because that is dependent on diamond prices at the time. For example, I bought a hearts and arrows stone in 2006 and sold it this year for several thousand dollars profit after jeweler commission due to the fact that diamond prices had increased so much in the last couple of years. It is possible to buy second hand for lower prices, but I personally would want to mainly do that from people I know and trust here (and know where they bought their stones).
 
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