*What Do You Think Of This Diamond?*

[AGBF]

Have to ask, what are her concerns with the 5.01? Because it's quite a bit bigger! and a 5ct is just amazing, not to mention, it's got a nice cut (obviously this is where the aset image would help determine that)....Just curious...

She was worried about the corners of a princess cut and the princess cut just didn't jump out at her with the same charm as the radiant. That was the first stone she asked about, however. She was certainly interested in it!!!

Deb

 

[Niel]

Also, id probably enquire about this..... not an ideal cert, BUT price is right... and its a nice squarish one.

http://www.b2cjewels.com/dd-3650350-5.06-carat-Emerald-diamond-J-color-VS1-Clarity.aspx?sku=3650350&utm_source=pricescope.com&utm_medium=referral&utm_campaign=pricescope.com

 

[AGBF]

I wonder what the measurements for the 5-carat are.

I looked them up: 9.53 x 9.10 x 6.76.

 

[diamondseeker2006]

Deb, the 5 ct princess is 9.10x9.53. It will appear larger than the radiant because it has full corners whereas the radiant had cut corners. But I don't think a princess is going to look good in K color. Ideal cut rounds mask color much better.

Do tell her the visual size of a diamond is judged by diameter and not by weight!

(I replied before I saw your last post when you found the measurements yourself!)

 

[diamondseeker2006]

do you not have a marquise DS? For some reason i thought you owned a diamond in every shape... not sure i thought that lol.

But right, with the culet

OH how I wish you were right on that, Niel!!! I will do my best to work toward that goal! (ClassyRocks has the large marquise, though!)

 

[AGBF]

Also, id probably enquire about this..... not an ideal cert, BUT price is right... and its a nice squarish one.

http://www.b2cjewels.com/dd-3650350-5.06-carat-Emerald-diamond-J-color-VS1-Clarity.aspx?sku=3650350&utm_source=pricescope.com&utm_medium=referral&utm_campaign=pricescope.com

<choke>

How can one Inquire into an EGL cert that says a diamond is a J color? You are an angel, Niel, but if an EGL cert says, "J" can't we assume that GIA or AGS would call it a M, N, O , or P? Do colors go in that order when they get that low? I know very little about cuts other than round brilliants, but I am color sensitive. Should I forget my own prejudices and ask anyway? Barb had initially not wanted to go as low as a J...but she did that all on her own. I had nothing to do with it. Could she live with an EGL J if she could live with a GIA J?

Deb

 

[Niel]

Also, id probably enquire about this..... not an ideal cert, BUT price is right... and its a nice squarish one.

http://www.b2cjewels.com/dd-3650350-5.06-carat-Emerald-diamond-J-color-VS1-Clarity.aspx?sku=3650350&utm_source=pricescope.com&utm_medium=referral&utm_campaign=pricescope.com

<choke>

How can one Inquire into an EGL cert that says a diamond is a J color? You are an angel, Niel, but if an EGL cert says, "J" can't we assume that GIA or AGS would call it a M, N, O , or P? Do colors go in that order when they get that low? I know very little about cuts other than round brilliants, but I am color sensitive. Should I forget my own prejudices and ask anyway? Barb had initially not wanted to go as low as a J...but she did that all on her own. I had nothing to do with it. Could she live with an EGL J if she could live with a GIA J?

Deb

it could be the same color it could be 5 shades off. All im saying is they have no pictures or ASET or anything. the depth and table seem fine enough to me to at least ask the vendor to give me some pictures.

And for what its worth I would be its not more that 2 shades off, and thats what, a K-L. And that might just be perfect in a rose gold claw prong setting or something... for her anyways. I dont know her or if shes color sensitive. But i know that a color that size and in that range is my "dream ring" lol, and sense she really wants 5 cts, its worth at least contacting them to see pictures. I mean look at SB and her cushion...... thats like an O or something and that is six carats of stuuuunnniiinnngggg

 

[diamondseeker2006]

Deb, I wouldn't consider an EGL J, personally unless it was an antique stone and/or you specifically wanted a warmer color. I think you have to deal with stones that have pictures unless she wants to work with someone like Jonathan at Good Old Gold and have him call in some stones for her and take the pictures and run the light performance tests.

 

[AGBF]

Deb, the 5 ct princess is 9.10x9.53. It will appear larger than the radiant because it has full corners whereas the radiant had cut corners. But I don't think a princess is going to look good in K color. Ideal cut rounds mask color much better.

Do tell her the visual size of a diamond is judged by diameter and not by weight!

My dearest DS-

Maybe we're going about this all wrong. Let's turn this problem on its head. If you had $45,000 to spend and didn't want to go below a J color or an eye clean SI1, what round brilliant or square cut diamond currently on the market would you buy that would look as H-U-G-E as you could get?

Your friend,
Deb

PS-When you come to visit, Babs is the one coming with us jewelry shopping at Grunberger's and Betteridge where she is well known. We will have to introduce her to our special Pricescope vendors in this area!

 

[AGBF]

I mean look at SB and her cushion...... thats like an O or something and that is six carats of stuuuunnniiinnngggg

Well, SB won't show me her ring. At least she won't if it's the one in the unplated white gold!!! I've been begging.

Deb

 

[04diamond<3]

I mean look at SB and her cushion...... thats like an O or something and that is six carats of stuuuunnniiinnngggg

Well, SB won't show me her ring. At least she won't if it's the one in the unplated white gold!!! I've been begging.

Deb

I'm with DS, i wouldn't suggest getting an EGL J....although SB's ring is gorgeous, the color may be too much...Is you friend going to put the radiant on hold? Just thinking that even with a high budget, a lurker could snatch up that stone if it's not on hold. It happens a lot here....

 

[diamondseeker2006]

Deb, the 5 ct princess is 9.10x9.53. It will appear larger than the radiant because it has full corners whereas the radiant had cut corners. But I don't think a princess is going to look good in K color. Ideal cut rounds mask color much better.

Do tell her the visual size of a diamond is judged by diameter and not by weight!

My dearest DS-

Maybe we're going about this all wrong. Let's turn this problem on its head. If you had $45,000 to spend and didn't want to go below a J color or an eye clean SI1, what round brilliant or square cut diamond currently on the market would you buy that would look as H-U-G-E as you could get?

Your friend,
Deb

PS-When you come to visit, Babs is the one coming with us jewelry shopping at Grunberger's and Betteridge where she is well known. We will have to introduce her to our special Pricescope vendors in this area!

I will look and see if I see anything that hasn't been posted, but I am thinking that WF stone is the nicest posted thus far.

That will be wonderful to meet Babs when I come! I am working on sooner rather than later! ClassyRocks is talking about coming to look at settings. I will be in touch!!!

 

[Niel]

I mean look at SB and her cushion...... thats like an O or something and that is six carats of stuuuunnniiinnngggg

Well, SB won't show me her ring. At least she won't if it's the one in the unplated white gold!!! I've been begging.

Deb

I'm with DS, i wouldn't suggest getting an EGL J....although SB's ring is gorgeous, the color may be too much...Is you friend going to put the radiant on hold? Just thinking that even with a high budget, a lurker could snatch up that stone if it's not on hold. It happens a lot here....

You guys are looking st GIA ks . I don't see why she couldn't at least get a photo. Especially sense IMHO lower colored step cuts are more flattering than others, sense they have those big facets.

 

[04diamond<3]

You guys are looking st GIA ks . I don't see why she couldn't at least get a photo. Especially sense IMHO lower colored step cuts are more flattering than others, sense they have those big facets.

It's totally and completely up to her. EGL colors tend to be far less reliable that GIA as everyone knows. Those who have bough GIA K's on here tend to say that they appear fairly white, which I know is not the case with EGL. If I ever do look at EGL it's for nothing less than an H, because most of the time, that H is going to look closer to a J or worse. It's all a matter of personal preference. Deb seems to know what her friend likes and doesn't like........

 

[diamondseeker2006]

One more thing to tell Babs, Deb. There were huge price increases on diamonds in 2011. Larger stones took a big hit. So that is why she may be surprised at these prices. If we could go back to 2010, we could find her a larger stone with that budget.

This is what she'd be looking at for a nice 5 ct asscher/square emerald:

http://www.1stdibs.com/jewelry/rings/engagement-rings/526-carat-emerald-cut-diamond-ring/id-j_116907/

more realistic at 3.85 cts:

http://www.1stdibs.com/jewelry/rings/engagement-rings/octagonal-cut-cornered-diamond-engagement-ring/id-j_84048/

more:

http://www.1stdibs.com/jewelry/rings/engagement-rings/fine-emerald-cut-diamond-platinum-ring/id-j_26769/

http://www.1stdibs.com/jewelry/rings/engagement-rings/395ct-old-european-cut-diamond-ring/id-j_101364/

Beautiful example of how a K color could work and get her to 5 cts (if she likes emeralds!):

http://www.1stdibs.com/jewelry/rings/engagement-rings/5-carat-emerald-cut-diamond-emerald-plantinum-engagement-ring/id-j_88109/

 

[diamondseeker2006]

http://www.1stdibs.com/jewelry/rings/engagement-rings/square-cut-diamond-ring-346-carats-gia/id-j_64468/

http://www.1stdibs.com/jewelry/rings/engagement-rings/489-carat-pear-shaped-diamond-solitaire-ring/id-j_62530/ 4.89 cts and faces up larger

 

[Niel]

You guys are looking st GIA ks . I don't see why she couldn't at least get a photo. Especially sense IMHO lower colored step cuts are more flattering than others, sense they have those big facets.

It's totally and completely up to her. EGL colors tend to be far less reliable that GIA as everyone knows. Those who have bough GIA K's on here tend to say that they appear fairly white, which I know is not the case with EGL. If I ever do look at EGL it's for nothing less than an H, because most of the time, that H is going to look closer to a J or worse. It's all a matter of personal preference. Deb seems to know what her friend likes and doesn't like........

Well j or lower doesn't necessarily equate to j or worse. Not everyone thinks lower colors means worse.

And sense her friend is actually following this thread, I thought it might be worth sharing, as inquiring costs her no money and little effort, for possibly a big payoff. I have found as someone who often tries to make big things happen on a minuscule budget (here's inst minuscule of course but the concept of getting a whole lot for a relative little remains the same) its best to leave no stone unturned.


Or if nothing else, it shows she couldnt get a 5 ct emerald at at least a L ish range, if she so desired.... and in that case she can contact good old gold or some place to find her very well cut GIA ones. Though that will cost her money, which is why this might be a good idea first. For lots of woman here would take a 5 ct L in a vintage cut, and an emerald cut is still vintage.

 

[misskittycat]

Didn't JbEG have a 5ct ish emerald cut recently, or is my brain playing tricks on me?

 

[msop04]

[quote="diamondseeker2006|1376356377|3501776]...it is super important to be looking at the measurements of the stonehttp://www.whiteflash.com/loose-diamonds/round-cut-loose-diamond-2938285.htm 9.54x9.59mm

http://www.jamesallen.com/loose-diamonds/radiant-cut/4.05-carat-i-color-vvs2-clarity-sku-34436 8.73x8.97mm


...if she cares about size, round is going to get her a larger looking stone than a deep cut square stone any day! It is quite possible that this round will appear as big as the asscher that was stolen.

She is really, really bad with spatial relationships. Unless she saw them side by side, and didn't know which was the heavier carat diamond, she would automatically pick the one with more carat weight. If she were given a blind test; picked the one she thought was larger; and found it was a lower carat round; that would be another story! How can we do that? [/quote][/quote][/quote]

Hey AGBF! It is really sweet of you to help out your friend like this!

I understand how some have trouble with wrapping their heads around how a 3 carat radiant is smaller than a 3 carat round... Do exactly what you posted -- take her to try on some different cuts and don't tell her the carat weight of any of them. Then when she picks what she likes or think is largest, break the news. This way, it's right in front of her. If she's still not convinced, have the jeweler pull out the same carat weight of every cut they have to drive in the point.

If she is truly looking for size and not "how many carats it is," then she'll be super excited to know that she can get the size she wants in a different cut for less money than the radiant she lost.

 

[backwardsandinheels]

http://66mint.com/p-453-415ct-tw-asscher-cut-diamond-ring.aspx

Another "here's what's out there" link. 3-carat asscher...

 

[msop04]

http://66mint.com/p-453-415ct-tw-asscher-cut-diamond-ring.aspx

Another "here's what's out there" link. 3-carat asscher...

I don't think that would even touch the size she's looking for... but, I'll take it!!!

 

[AGBF]

http://66mint.com/p-453-415ct-tw-asscher-cut-diamond-ring.aspx

Another "here's what's out there" link. 3-carat asscher...

I don't think that would even touch the size she's looking for... but, I'll take it!!!

I know what you mean! Some of the stones in this thread have been killing me! I had wanted to upgrade to a 3-carat round brilliant, but have given up on that idea for now. I am, however, getting new diamond hoop earrings! Barbara will have to wear the ring for both of us!

Deb/AGBF