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Hi everyone,

I''m a new poster looking for some advice and opinions on some diamonds I''m considering for an engagement ring. I''ve done quite a bit of research on this forum but I''m still no expert! I''m in Ireland where it seems to be more difficult to find good diamonds. I came across Crafted by Infinity diamonds here and like what I''ve heard (and seen!)

I''ve been taking a look at the diamonds they have that may be suitable and have posted the links below (hopefully they work). I''d be grateful for any opinions. I then need to look at vendors, there''s one in Dublin that I could go to. I''m staying with family in England at the moment though so I''ll see when I get back. I''d prefer this than buying online from US which is why I like Infinity.


#1 1.16ct E VS2
=246&src=loupe:2o8h065d]diamond1

1.This one gets a HCA score of 1.2 but I''d like some reassurance on the aset and idealscope as I''m still not good at reading them. The aset image doesn''t look very good quality and the idealscope has some white gaps on the right side but not the left- is that light leakage or just a bad picture?

2.Also there seem to be a lot of inclusions and they''re in the table. Does this look right for a VS2 diamond and will it be eye clean? Are clouds and crystals ok?- I don''t really know much about the different types of inclusions.


#2 1.06ct F VS1
=697&src=loupe:2o8h065d]diamond2

HCA score is 1.3, images look ok to me, what do people think?

1. The dimensions ( 6.54-6.56 x 4.04) seem a little small compared to other 1.06 carats. (eg. there''s a 1.05 carat that''s bigger at 6.56-6.57mm) Is this the case? Could it be because the girdle is thin to slightly thick and is it ok to have a girdle with such variation?

2. Also I''m not sure about the medium blue flourescence. I think I''d like it if it was a lower colour diamond but with an F I almost feel like it could take away from the whiteness. Am I crazy?!


#3 1.12ct F VS1
=291&src=loupe:2o8h065d]diamond3

I''m not so keen on this one, the cert shows a large cloud in the table and a cavity at the edge. It gets 1.2 on HCA and the images look ok to me. Also my partner has a very weird obsessive superstition about the number 13 and would end up rounding up the size (it''s 1.127) to 1.13 and get all freaked out. Weird I know!!


Any advice on the above diamonds gratefully received!
 
The links arent working for me....it says I need to logon to see them.
 
Infinity stones are amazing. you won''t be disappointed.
 
The Crafted by Infinity stones are all gorgeous. I own one and it is a beauty. Mine is an M with Very Strong Fluoro. Paul would not sell a bad one so the specs will be your personal choice but the cut will be beautiful.
 
Date: 3/30/2010 4:50:17 PM
Author: tyty333



The links arent working for me....it says I need to logon to see them.
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Ok that''s strange, it''s doing the same for me now although the links were working ok when I previewed my post. I''ll see what I can do.
 
Nope it''s still doing the same and saying you need to login, maybe I''m not supposed to link to their site, apologies if this is the case. Thanks for the encouraging comments on infinity diamonds, all the ones I''ve seen on here look stunning!
 
Date: 3/30/2010 4:55:06 PM
Author: swingirl
The Crafted by Infinity stones are all gorgeous. I own one and it is a beauty. Mine is an M with Very Strong Fluoro. Paul would not sell a bad one so the specs will be your personal choice but the cut will be beautiful.
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Ditto. They are some of the best cut stones on the market. I own an Infinity diamond, an I I1 with strong blue fluoro. I wouldn't buy an I1 clarity from just any company. But Paul Slegers is very picky about the stones in the Infinity brand, and this stone is eye-clean.

You have three excellent choices there!

ETA: Thread jack: Swingirl, I didn't know you were a member of the Infinity club
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Date: 3/30/2010 5:14:10 PM
Author: sarap333
Date: 3/30/2010 4:55:06 PM

Author: swingirl

The Crafted by Infinity stones are all gorgeous. I own one and it is a beauty. Mine is an M with Very Strong Fluoro. Paul would not sell a bad one so the specs will be your personal choice but the cut will be beautiful.
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Ditto. They are some of the best cut stones on the market. I own an Infinity diamond, an I I1 with strong blue fluoro. I wouldn''t buy an I1 clarity from just any company. But Paul Slegers is very picky about the stones in the Infinity brand, and this stone is eye-clean.

You have three excellent choices there!

ETA: Thread jack: Swingirl, I didn''t know you were a member of the Infinity club
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Yep, M I1. It''s set in a pendant.
 
I wouldn''t have any qualms about buying an Infinity stone. I think, here, the important thing is to contact the vendor and talk through the actual appearance with him/her. Remember these are magnified to be huge, so any inclusions will look scary. However, you might have some personal preferences or sensitivities that would determine the best choice for you.
 
Date: 3/30/2010 4:48:23 PM
Author:fallingleaf
Hi everyone,


I'm a new poster looking for some advice and opinions on some diamonds I'm considering for an engagement ring. I've done quite a bit of research on this forum but I'm still no expert! I'm in Ireland where it seems to be more difficult to find good diamonds. I came across Crafted by Infinity diamonds here and like what I've heard (and seen!)


I've been taking a look at the diamonds they have that may be suitable and have posted the links below (hopefully they work). I'd be grateful for any opinions. I then need to look at vendors, there's one in Dublin that I could go to. I'm staying with family in England at the moment though so I'll see when I get back. I'd prefer this than buying online from US which is why I like Infinity.



#1 1.16ct E VS2

=246&src=loupe:2o8h065d]diamond1


1.This one gets a HCA score of 1.2 but I'd like some reassurance on the aset and idealscope as I'm still not good at reading them. The aset image doesn't look very good quality and the idealscope has some white gaps on the right side but not the left- is that light leakage or just a bad picture?


2.Also there seem to be a lot of inclusions and they're in the table. Does this look right for a VS2 diamond and will it be eye clean? Are clouds and crystals ok?- I don't really know much about the different types of inclusions.



#2 1.06ct F VS1

=697&src=loupe:2o8h065d]diamond2


HCA score is 1.3, images look ok to me, what do people think?


1. The dimensions ( 6.54-6.56 x 4.04) seem a little small compared to other 1.06 carats. (eg. there's a 1.05 carat that's bigger at 6.56-6.57mm) Is this the case? Could it be because the girdle is thin to slightly thick and is it ok to have a girdle with such variation?


2. Also I'm not sure about the medium blue flourescence. I think I'd like it if it was a lower colour diamond but with an F I almost feel like it could take away from the whiteness. Am I crazy?!



#3 1.12ct F VS1

=291&src=loupe:2o8h065d]diamond3


I'm not so keen on this one, the cert shows a large cloud in the table and a cavity at the edge. It gets 1.2 on HCA and the images look ok to me. Also my partner has a very weird obsessive superstition about the number 13 and would end up rounding up the size (it's 1.127) to 1.13 and get all freaked out. Weird I know!!



Any advice on the above diamonds gratefully received!
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I took at look at the diamonds in more detail, and I can give you some more detailed answers to your questions:

Diamond 1. With a VS2 grade, the clouds should not pose a problem; the inclusions should be small and not visible to the naked eye. However, clarity is a very individual thing (depending on eyesight and personal preference for amount, type and placement of inclusions). So if you chose this stone, you would want to first look at it under a loupe or a gemscope and then examine it carefully with your eyes in all lights and at all angles to make sure you can't see anything. The IS and ASET photographs are dark, so I think it's the photo quality.

Diamond 2. The girdle on this stone falls with in an acceptable range (thin - slightly thick). The difference in size between the two stones is just several hundredths of a millimeter -- way too small to ever see the difference in size with our naked eye, or even under a loupe. so again, within normal variation. Medium blue fluorescence is generally not strong enough to make a difference in the color of the stone. But, again, each stone is different and each buyer has different eyesight and preferences, so this is something you'd want to check on in person to see if you can notice a slight blue tint in bright sunlight and/or if it bothers you that the stone has fluor.

Diamond 3. With a VS1 grade, the clouds should not pose a problem. Some people do not like the idea of cavities as inclusions, but for this stone to get a VS1 grade, my guess is the cavity is miniscule and not a durability issue. But if your girlfriend is superstitious about the number 13, I would stay away from this choice! You don't want her focusing on that instead of enjoying the beauty of her diamond.

Again, your personal preference should guide you in choosing color and clarity parameters; the cut on all of these stones is top-notch.

Will you be able to view these diamonds in person, either in Europe or in the U.S.? Infinity will ship stones to any of their dealers for you to see in person. That would be the best option. You might also want to ask if the vendors holding these stones can make a video of the stones for you. I know Wink at High Performance Diamonds and Toddy Gray at Nice Ice (two of the Infinity vendors in the U.S.) have made videos of stones for customers. Other Infinity dealers may be able to make videos, too. It's worth an e-mail or phone call.
 
Do you specifically want a D-F color diamond because you like it or are you just hoping for colorless? You can easily go for G color and still have a colorless stone, and it will save you money. Unless you just *want* an E/F in which case, go for it.

These size variations of hundreths of a mm are not meaningful, that is less than the thickness of a sheet of paper
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If you don''t like three then let is go, you don''t have to buy it! There''s lots of options out there.
 
Date: 3/30/2010 7:07:43 PM
Author: sarap333
Date: 3/30/2010 4:48:23 PM

Author:fallingleaf

Hi everyone,



I''m a new poster looking for some advice and opinions on some diamonds I''m considering for an engagement ring. I''ve done quite a bit of research on this forum but I''m still no expert! I''m in Ireland where it seems to be more difficult to find good diamonds. I came across Crafted by Infinity diamonds here and like what I''ve heard (and seen!)



I''ve been taking a look at the diamonds they have that may be suitable and have posted the links below (hopefully they work). I''d be grateful for any opinions. I then need to look at vendors, there''s one in Dublin that I could go to. I''m staying with family in England at the moment though so I''ll see when I get back. I''d prefer this than buying online from US which is why I like Infinity.




#1 1.16ct E VS2


=246&src=loupe:2o8h065d]diamond1



1.This one gets a HCA score of 1.2 but I''d like some reassurance on the aset and idealscope as I''m still not good at reading them. The aset image doesn''t look very good quality and the idealscope has some white gaps on the right side but not the left- is that light leakage or just a bad picture?



2.Also there seem to be a lot of inclusions and they''re in the table. Does this look right for a VS2 diamond and will it be eye clean? Are clouds and crystals ok?- I don''t really know much about the different types of inclusions.




#2 1.06ct F VS1


=697&src=loupe:2o8h065d]diamond2



HCA score is 1.3, images look ok to me, what do people think?



1. The dimensions ( 6.54-6.56 x 4.04) seem a little small compared to other 1.06 carats. (eg. there''s a 1.05 carat that''s bigger at 6.56-6.57mm) Is this the case? Could it be because the girdle is thin to slightly thick and is it ok to have a girdle with such variation?



2. Also I''m not sure about the medium blue flourescence. I think I''d like it if it was a lower colour diamond but with an F I almost feel like it could take away from the whiteness. Am I crazy?!




#3 1.12ct F VS1


=291&src=loupe:2o8h065d]diamond3



I''m not so keen on this one, the cert shows a large cloud in the table and a cavity at the edge. It gets 1.2 on HCA and the images look ok to me. Also my partner has a very weird obsessive superstition about the number 13 and would end up rounding up the size (it''s 1.127) to 1.13 and get all freaked out. Weird I know!!




Any advice on the above diamonds gratefully received!
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I took at look at the diamonds in more detail, and I can give you some more detailed answers to your questions:


Diamond 1. With a VS2 grade, the clouds should not pose a problem; the inclusions should be small and not visible to the naked eye. However, clarity is a very individual thing (depending on eyesight and personal preference for amount, type and placement of inclusions). So if you chose this stone, you would want to first look at it under a loupe or a gemscope and then examine it carefully with your eyes in all lights and at all angles to make sure you can''t see anything. The IS and ASET photographs are dark, so I think it''s the photo quality.


Diamond 2. The girdle on this stone falls with in an acceptable range (thin - slightly thick). The difference in size between the two stones is just several hundredths of a millimeter -- way too small to ever see the difference in size with our naked eye, or even under a loupe. so again, within normal variation. Medium blue fluorescence is generally not strong enough to make a difference in the color of the stone. But, again, each stone is different and each buyer has different eyesight and preferences, so this is something you''d want to check on in person to see if you can notice a slight blue tint in bright sunlight and/or if it bothers you that the stone has fluor.


Diamond 3. With a VS1 grade, the clouds should not pose a problem. Some people do not like the idea of cavities as inclusions, but for this stone to get a VS1 grade, my guess is the cavity is miniscule and not a durability issue. But if your girlfriend is superstitious about the number 13, I would stay away from this choice! You don''t want her focusing on that instead of enjoying the beauty of her diamond.


Again, your personal preference should guide you in choosing color and clarity parameters; the cut on all of these stones is top-notch.


Will you be able to view these diamonds in person, either in Europe or in the U.S.? Infinity will ship stones to any of their dealers for you to see in person. That would be the best option. You might also want to ask if the vendors holding these stones can make a video of the stones for you. I know Wink at High Performance Diamonds and Toddy Gray at Nice Ice (two of the Infinity vendors in the U.S.) have made videos of stones for customers. Other Infinity dealers may be able to make videos, too. It''s worth an e-mail or phone call.
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Hi Sara. Thanks very much for your input. I''m relieved about the inclusions on diamond 1 (1.16 E VS2). I will definitely make sure I arrange to see the diamonds in person before choosing. I guess I was expecting to see less inclusions for a VS2 so I got a surprise when I looked at the plot diagram on the AGS cert as there seemed to be lots in the table.

I''ve found some images of diamond 1 on a different vendor website that look a bit lighter 1.16EVS2
The idealscope is clearer idealscope1.16c but there are still a few white areas on the right side- are these anything to worry about? The aset still looks blurred to me aset1.16c


Thanks for the reassurance on the size of diamond 2 (1.06 F VS1). I guess I thought 6.5 mm was average for 1ct and so I was expecting a size more like 6.6 mm. So I take it 6.55 mm is around what you''d expect for 1.06ct? I know the difference is negligible, I think I''m getting a bit obssessed! But I want to make sure it is the correct dimensions for the size.

The flourescence thing is something I''m coming around to. I guess I was stressed that if it''s an F diamond I want it to look icy white and not bluish in sunlight. Not sure I''d want it lighting up in nightclubs either!
Also I''ve heard concern that diamonds with flourescence could actually be lower colour than their grading, is this a concern with AGS certificates?


Thanks everyone for all your input! It''s so great being able to get expert advice!
 
Date: 3/30/2010 7:15:19 PM
Author: dreamer_d
Do you specifically want a D-F color diamond because you like it or are you just hoping for colorless? You can easily go for G color and still have a colorless stone, and it will save you money. Unless you just *want* an E/F in which case, go for it.


These size variations of hundreths of a mm are not meaningful, that is less than the thickness of a sheet of paper
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If you don''t like three then let is go, you don''t have to buy it! There''s lots of options out there.
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Hi Dreamer, thanks for your reply. We would go down to G but there weren''t actually any that also fitted our size and clarity criteria. We want size preferably around 1.10ct, no more than around 1.15-1.2ct. And clarity no lower than VS2. There was a 1.05 G VS2 but to be honest if we go to G I''d rather it was bigger or higher clarity, that diamond was our lowest criteria for all categories. The selection available is smaller than I was expecting but I like that infinity are so particular about their diamonds!
 
Good luck. :)
 
Hello, again, Fallingleaf,

Seeing the stones in person will help a lot. It sounds like you've eliminated Diamond #3 due to your partner's concern with the number 13.

The other two are great options.

For the 1.16:
The ASET and IS images are just not good quality images, period. There's something wrong with the way they were photographed - the stone was tilted or the camera was moved. Something's weird there.

Given Infinity's reputation, and looking at the photo of the stone and the numbers, along with the hearts and arrows images, I can tell that the stone is well-cut. Have you decided which Infinity vendor you're going to work with? If so, I'd e-mail them or call them and ask them about the images. If you're going to see the stones in person at a vendor's place of business, it's my understanding that the vendor will have hearts and arrows viewers, and IS scope -- not sure about an ASET. Maybe one of the vendors will chime in and clarify. So you can see the images of the stone's IS and H&A "live" at the vendor's place of business.

If you are having the stones sent to you at your home, ask the vendor to send along an IS scope and a H&A viewer -- Wink sent those to me when I ordered my Infinity. Again, check on the ASET scope with the vendor. I'm not sure if they can send one of those along or not -- I've never used one, so I have no idea how big they are. The IS and H&A viewers are very small. Wink also sent me a 10x loupe so I could view the stone under magnification.


For the 1.06:
The stone's diameter seems fine to me. Again, we're talking small increments (micro-millimeters) in size. As an example, the diameter of my 1.01 Infinity diamond ranges from 6.46 to 6.49.

You can use the spread index in this thread to compute the spread index for the 1.06. It's a useful mathematical calculation to use when you want to see how a particular diamond compares to others of the same weight.

The fluorescence should not affect the diamond's day-to-day appearance. I'm not sure how blue a medium blue fluoro diamond will be under direct sunlight or a black light, but again, the vendor should have some way of measuring (and showing you) the effects of the fluorescence, if any, on the stone.

I believe office supply stores sell black light "wands" if you are viewing the diamond at home and not at a vendors. Again, my diamond has strong blue fluorescence, and it looks blue only in direct sunlight (not on overcast days) and under a black light. I like the effect, but others don't. So until you see the stone in person, I wouldn't rule this stone out; the medium blue fluorescence may not be strong enough to produce noticeable visual effects. And if you're not crazy about the idea of fluoro, even if you can't see it, that's okay, too. It's really a personal preference.

One other reason I like fluorescence in a diamond is that if there was ever a question about my diamond being real or a simulated stone, the fluorescence would "prove" that it is indeed a diamond. Because simulated diamonds can't fluoresce. I think that's kind of cool, actually!

I've owned three Infinity diamonds (what can I say -- they have a good upgrade policy!). I joked with Wink, my Infinity vendor, that with this last Infinity purchase (my I I1) I didn't even compute the HCA score for the stone! That's how comfortable I am with the quality of the brand. (I computed it later; it came out to 1.1 -- no surprise).

That said, when I first was looking at diamonds, I was very interested in all the detailed specs on the stones, and Infinity is a great brand for a "cut fanatic" and numbers lovers. The Infinity vendors will be happy to answer questions about the diamonds and help you compare them.

Good luck! Keep us posted!

ETA: I forgot to answer your question about AGS color grade and fluorescence. And, actually, I'm not sure how medium blue fluorescence would affect AGS color grading, if at all, especially in a colorless stone. Maybe one of the others who have more knowledge on this will chime in.
 
Date: 3/31/2010 3:36:21 PM
Author: Stone-cold11
Good luck. :)
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Thanks Stone Cold, I''m hoping I won''t need too much good luck with everything I''ve learned from this forum!
 
Date: 3/31/2010 7:15:28 PM
Author: sarap333
Hello, again, Fallingleaf,


Seeing the stones in person will help a lot. It sounds like you''ve eliminated Diamond #3 due to your partner''s concern with the number 13.


The other two are great options.


For the 1.16:

The ASET and IS images are just not good quality images, period. There''s something wrong with the way they were photographed - the stone was tilted or the camera was moved. Something''s weird there.


Given Infinity''s reputation, and looking at the photo of the stone and the numbers, along with the hearts and arrows images, I can tell that the stone is well-cut. Have you decided which Infinity vendor you''re going to work with? If so, I''d e-mail them or call them and ask them about the images. If you''re going to see the stones in person at a vendor''s place of business, it''s my understanding that the vendor will have hearts and arrows viewers, and IS scope -- not sure about an ASET. Maybe one of the vendors will chime in and clarify. So you can see the images of the stone''s IS and H&A ''live'' at the vendor''s place of business.


If you are having the stones sent to you at your home, ask the vendor to send along an IS scope and a H&A viewer -- Wink sent those to me when I ordered my Infinity. Again, check on the ASET scope with the vendor. I''m not sure if they can send one of those along or not -- I''ve never used one, so I have no idea how big they are. The IS and H&A viewers are very small. Wink also sent me a 10x loupe so I could view the stone under magnification.



For the 1.06:

The stone''s diameter seems fine to me. Again, we''re talking small increments (micro-millimeters) in size. As an example, the diameter of my 1.01 Infinity diamond ranges from 6.46 to 6.49.


You can use the spread index in this thread to compute the spread index for the 1.06. It''s a useful mathematical calculation to use when you want to see how a particular diamond compares to others of the same weight.


The fluorescence should not affect the diamond''s day-to-day appearance. I''m not sure how blue a medium blue fluoro diamond will be under direct sunlight or a black light, but again, the vendor should have some way of measuring (and showing you) the effects of the fluorescence, if any, on the stone.


I believe office supply stores sell black light ''wands'' if you are viewing the diamond at home and not at a vendors. Again, my diamond has strong blue fluorescence, and it looks blue only in direct sunlight (not on overcast days) and under a black light. I like the effect, but others don''t. So until you see the stone in person, I wouldn''t rule this stone out; the medium blue fluorescence may not be strong enough to produce noticeable visual effects. And if you''re not crazy about the idea of fluoro, even if you can''t see it, that''s okay, too. It''s really a personal preference.


One other reason I like fluorescence in a diamond is that if there was ever a question about my diamond being real or a simulated stone, the fluorescence would ''prove'' that it is indeed a diamond. Because simulated diamonds can''t fluoresce. I think that''s kind of cool, actually!


I''ve owned three Infinity diamonds (what can I say -- they have a good upgrade policy!). I joked with Wink, my Infinity vendor, that with this last Infinity purchase (my I I1) I didn''t even compute the HCA score for the stone! That''s how comfortable I am with the quality of the brand. (I computed it later; it came out to 1.1 -- no surprise).


That said, when I first was looking at diamonds, I was very interested in all the detailed specs on the stones, and Infinity is a great brand for a ''cut fanatic'' and numbers lovers. The Infinity vendors will be happy to answer questions about the diamonds and help you compare them.


Good luck! Keep us posted!


ETA: I forgot to answer your question about AGS color grade and fluorescence. And, actually, I''m not sure how medium blue fluorescence would affect AGS color grading, if at all, especially in a colorless stone. Maybe one of the others who have more knowledge on this will chime in.
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Thanks again Sara for your good advice. I''ll look into a vendor, possibly in Dublin. I''d definitely want to see a diamond before I bought it. I''m really starting to like the idea of flourescence now as well, I think it could be quite cool! 3 infinity stones, wow they must have a great upgrade policy!
 
Date: 4/1/2010 2:31:46 PM
Author: fallingleaf
Thanks again Sara for your good advice. I''ll look into a vendor, possibly in Dublin. I''d definitely want to see a diamond before I bought it. I''m really starting to like the idea of fluorescence now as well, I think it could be quite cool! 3 infinity stones, wow they must have a great upgrade policy!
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The Infinity dealer in Dublin is Eoin McDonnell I met him at the Infinity Diamond Symposium last year and he''s top notch!
 
Yes, Fallingleaf, Infinity does have a great upgrade policy! But it''s not like I ended up with a 2+ carat diamond with my upgrades. I started with a .53 carat diamond; wanted to go up in carat size, so I upgraded to a 1.00 M SI2; decided that the M color was to warm for my skin tone, and upgraded to my current 1.01 I I1.

Infinity''s upgrade policy is very stress-free, and you can upgrade without having to spend a certain amount of money over what you spent on the previous diamond. This made is easy for me to upgrade the color of my diamond without having to spend a lot of extra money. I call this "satisfaction insurance" because it means you are assured of getting exactly what you want even after the standard vendor return period has elapsed.

It''s so nice that you''ll get to see these diamonds in person; the Dublin vendor can have both of those shipped to his/her store for you to see. I did everything via the mail system! I''ve never met Wink in person (but he''s great to talk to on the phone!), though I was lucky enough to meet Paul Slegers at an Infinity "Meet the Cutter Event" last fall. That was cool in a "rock star" kind of way
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