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nonameface13

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GIA Certified

Shape: Round Brilliant
Meas: 6.06 - 6.10 x 4.03 mm
Weight: 0.96 carat
Depth: 66.3 %
Table: 61 %
Girdle: Thick to Very Thick, Faceted
Culet: None
Polish: Good
Symmetry: Good
Clarity: VS1
Color: D
Fluorescence: None
Comments: Crown angles are greater than 35 degrees

I''m getting an excellent price on this diamond because my father is a jeweler. I have the option to get a larger diamond... but I don''t necessarily want to because I simply feel "right" with this diamond. And I think (hope) my fiance will like it too! I just hope she doesn''t expect a larger one!?? For a .96ct, it looks like a 1.2ct...
 
If my father was a jeweler, I would go for a top quality diamond. This doesn't appear to be a top quality diamond to me but I will defer to the round experts.

You can try plugging in the numbers here https://www.pricescope.com/cutadviser.asp. A score under 2 means it is worth considering.
 
No, it does not look like a 1.2c stone from the diameter. It has the diameter of a well cut 0.85c stone.

The large depth with very thick girdle makes it looks smaller. What are the crown and pavilion angles and the lower half numbers?
 
Date: 3/29/2010 9:54:21 PM
Author: Stone-cold11
No, it does not look like a 1.2c stone from the diameter. It has the diameter of a well cut 0.85c stone.
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Yeah.. your father isn''t doing you any favours with this one, honestly. It definitely doesn''t look big for its size, it looks very small for its size.
 
Stone-cold,

I''m not sure what the crown and pavilion angles and the lower half numbers are. They are not on the GIA Certificate? How exactly do I find that out? (besides asking my father)
 
hmm... how old is the report?

You could check it out on GIA report check, using the report number and carat weight. If it is there then good, if not the only way to get it is to send it back to GIA for a regrading or to an appraiser with a sarin scan machine.

http://www2.gia.edu/reportcheck
 
Yes, I am not optimistic about that diamond. If you can find out the information Stone asked for it will help us out.
 
I just punched in the numbers on the link you sent. That information isn''t there either. The report that I have in my hand is from 2002, perhaps that''s why.

I''m only paying 3 grand for the diamond. Do you all really think the diamond isn''t so great?
 
Date: 3/29/2010 10:15:18 PM
Author: nonameface13
I just punched in the numbers on the link you sent. That information isn't there either. The report that I have in my hand is from 2002, perhaps that's why.

I'm only paying 3 grand for the diamond. Do you all really think the diamond isn't so great?
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I really do think the diamond is not great. It is *very* deep and the table is large. I cannot imagine it will be a top performer.
 
So, besides the diamond appearance in terms of its size... it''s a nice diamond?
 
Date: 3/29/2010 10:30:21 PM
Author: nonameface13
So, besides the diamond appearance in terms of its size... it''s a nice diamond?
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I am afraid the answer is likely no.

Is there a picture of the diamond with numbers on the certificate? Lower right hand corner?
 
Date: 3/29/2010 10:30:21 PM
Author: nonameface13
So, besides the diamond appearance in terms of its size... it''s a nice diamond?
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No, the depth and the large table mean that it will not reflect light back to you eye properly. It will leak light most likely. So this means that it will not look as good as it would if it had a better cut. Here is a video that will help. In all liklihood, your diamond will look similar to the one on the left. I would suggest you try to find a better cut diamond that will look more like the one on the right. The difference between the two diamonds if the proportions of thier cut -- the table and depth % and the crown and pavilion angles, among other things.

Here is the video: http://www.vimeo.com/1097057
 
Depends on the angles. It can still perform well if the high crown angle is coupled with a complimentary pavilion angle, but without the numbers, no way to even give a guess.
 
Date: 3/29/2010 10:48:52 PM
Author: Stone-cold11
Depends on the angles. It can still perform well if the high crown angle is coupled with a complimentary pavilion angle, but without the numbers, no way to even give a guess.
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Seriously? Even with a 66% depth and a 61% table?? I have never seen it around here. But I would love to be proven wrong
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Theoretically possible if we forget about the overly large depth. Although probably will have other problem such as obstruction and/or fisheye with the large crown and table.
 
What does that mean exactly, "perform well"?

Do you mean, how well it reflects light?
 
Date: 3/29/2010 11:13:20 PM
Author: Stone-cold11
Theoretically possible.
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Well, I hope that you are right for the sake of the OP.
 
Date: 3/29/2010 11:16:50 PM
Author: nonameface13
What does that mean exactly, ''perform well''?

Do you mean, how well it reflects light?
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Yes. Did you watch the video I posted? The diamond on the left does not perform well, the diamond on the right does.
 
Yes, I did.

Ok, thank you all for your insight. I very much appreciate it!
 
Date: 3/29/2010 9:50:04 PM
Author:nonameface13
GIA Certified

Shape: Round Brilliant
Meas: 6.06 - 6.10 x 4.03 mm
Weight: 0.96 carat
Depth: 66.3 %
Table: 61 %
Girdle: Thick to Very Thick, Faceted
Culet: None
Polish: Good
Symmetry: Good
Clarity: VS1
Color: D
Fluorescence: None
Comments: Crown angles are greater than 35 degrees

I''m getting an excellent price on this diamond because my father is a jeweler. I have the option to get a larger diamond... but I don''t necessarily want to because I simply feel ''right'' with this diamond. And I think (hope) my fiance will like it too! I just hope she doesn''t expect a larger one!?? For a .96ct, it looks like a 1.2ct...
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how fast can you run away from daddy?
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Date: 3/29/2010 11:07:55 PM
Author: dreamer_d



Date: 3/29/2010 10:48:52 PM
Author: Stone-cold11
Depends on the angles. It can still perform well if the high crown angle is coupled with a complimentary pavilion angle, but without the numbers, no way to even give a guess.
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Seriously? Even with a 66% depth and a 61% table?? I have never seen it around here. But I would love to be proven wrong
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It is much too deep, personally I wouldn't bother with it, well cut stones do not have 66% depths and why would you want a stone that faces up so small for the weight?? This diamond weighs .96 cts and should have the diameter of around 6.5 mm, instead it looks like a .80 thereabouts....Nowhere near looking like 1.2 cts I am afraid.

You can do MUCH better.
 
i haven''t read all the responses, but I agree with others here that the diameter is around the same as my sisters .80 ideal ideal ideal that she just bought ... and seeing that set it does look lovely, but i don''t think it''s going to look more like a 1ct plus stone (we only have pics so far to go with)
 
DF you''re unbelievable, lol !!!
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Date: 3/30/2010 5:59:11 AM
Author: Naty H&A
DF you''re unbelievable, lol !!!
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I'm afraid that i'll have to agree with the others on that...My RB diamond is a 0.90ct, triple ex, Hearts & Arrows stone and the measurements are: 6.19 - 6.24 X 3.84 mm. That means that my diamond is smaller than the one that you're considering purchasing and yet it faces up bigger.
That being said, i never had the impression that my stone looks the same or bigger than a 1ct stone...
 
nonameface13, a well cut diamond returns more light to your eyes.
A poorly cut one lets light leak out the side and the bottom.

Does your dad like you?
He's selling you a poorly cut diamond.

Most of a diamond's beauty comes from what it can do with light because of how well it is cut - not color and not clarity.

At the top of the is page click on KNOWLEDGE.
Then select ADVANCE TUTORIAL.

Read it all.

I've been reading PS for 5 years and almost every time someone buys a diamond from a relative/friend it is a poorly cut diamond.

The reason most are poorly cut is because the cutter is trying to save the maximum weight of the precious rough.
Cutting for good light performance grinds away more rough and results in a diamond that is lighter.
Most buyers shop by weight not by cut quality (my sister got a 3\4 carat so I want a full carat) so they are giving people what they want.

But you are smarter now.
Return this one if you can and find a well cut diamond.

Teach your dad about cut while you are at it.
 
Date: 3/29/2010 10:36:48 PM
Author: dreamer_d
Date: 3/29/2010 10:30:21 PM

Author: nonameface13

So, besides the diamond appearance in terms of its size... it's a nice diamond?
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No, the depth and the large table mean that it will not reflect light back to you eye properly. It will leak light most likely. So this means that it will not look as good as it would if it had a better cut. Here is a video that will help. In all liklihood, your diamond will look similar to the one on the left. I would suggest you try to find a better cut diamond that will look more like the one on the right. The difference between the two diamonds if the proportions of thier cut -- the table and depth % and the crown and pavilion angles, among other things.


Here is the video: http://www.vimeo.com/1097057
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Mini-thread jack: That's a great video, Dreamer. Is it in the helpful threads sticky? If not, it should be
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I wonder if Jonathan would be willing to share the specs of the diamond on the left, just for educational purposes.
 
Date: 3/30/2010 5:59:11 AM
Author: Naty H&A
DF you''re unbelievable, lol !!!
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yep,the cutter should be jailed for cutting this 66.3% depth stone.
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As others pointed out, you can do much better. The spread should be closer to 6.5mm and that 0.5mm makes a difference for sure and the only way it would look like a 1.2ct is if the 1.2ct was also cut really poorly! And it is going to leak light rather than reflect it so it may appear even smaller still

With much better stones available in your budget, I do not see benefit in getting this one.
 
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