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Please let me know your thoughts on these diamonds - which you would choose and why. In particular, the James Allen diamonds look good on paper to me, but then when I look at the loop image, I can''t tell if they look that great... Thanks guys!

Diamond #1
http://www.jamesallen.com/diamonds/G-SI1-Ideal-Cut-Round-Diamond-1238415.asp

Shape: Round
Carat weight: 1.67
Cut: Hearts & Arrows Ideal
Color: G
Clarity: SI1
Certificate: AGS
Depth: 62.5%
Table: 53.0%
Polish: Ideal
Symmetry: Ideal
Girdle: Thin to medium
Culet: None
Fluorescence: Negligible
Measurements: 7.62*7.64*4.77


Diamond #2
http://www.jamesallen.com/diamonds/F-SI2-Ideal-Cut-Round-Diamond-1173109.asp

Shape: Round
Carat weight: 1.86
Cut: Ideal
Color: F
Clarity: SI2
Certificate: GIA

Depth: 62.6%
Table: 57.0%
Polish: Excellent
Symmetry: Very Good
Girdle:
Culet: None
Fluorescence: None
Measurements: 7.82*7.84*4.90

Diamond #3
http://www.since1910.com/loose-diamonds/Round/TabId/124/Stone/16217499/Default.aspx?Return=Shape%3d1%26Color%3dF.G.H%26Clarity%3dSI1.SI2%26MinPrice%3d312%26MaxPrice%3d1260344%26MinCarat%3d1.79%26MaxCarat%3d14.37

Carat Weight:1.81ct
Color:G
Clarity:SI1
Cut:Excellent
Certificate:GIA
More Details:
Depth%: 62.2%
Table%:57%
Polish:Excellent
Symmetry:Excellent
Girdle:Thin to Slightly Thick
Culet:None
Fluorescence:Medium
Measurements: 7.75x7.81x4.84mm
 
#1 everything looks good. Request a Hearts image since it is sold as a H&A if you are interested.

#2 borderline steep/deep. Look like some leakage in the 12-3 o''clock range. IS will confirm if it is there or not.

#3, not enough info, no report is posted as far as I can tell.
 
Hi L,

If I had to pick, the first would be it. As mentioned, you'd want a heart pic. It has a smaller table than we normally see. That doesn't mean it's bad, but it will look slightly different than one with a table in the 55-57 range. Have you seen a diamond with such a table? Might want to make sure it's a look you like. Some love them, some don't. It's also a bit deeper than I like to see, but that's more personal preference. At some point depth does affect performance though, no way to know if it would here.

I found one that has numbers that fall in a bit safer range, if you wanted you could get an IS on this one. Just thought I'd throw it out!

http://www.jamesallen.com/diamonds/G-SI1-Ideal-Cut-Round-Diamond-1216270.asp (if eyeclean)
 
Ooo - I''m diggin the link you provided Ellen... Thanks! So, what is the trick to viewing the "loupe" image provided? They always seem to look a little off to me...??
 
Date: 9/2/2009 4:56:44 PM
Author: LFVDoll
Ooo - I''m diggin the link you provided Ellen... Thanks! So, what is the trick to viewing the ''loupe'' image provided? They always seem to look a little off to me...??
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Welcome!

I''m not sure what you mean here, do you mean they look "off" through the actual loupe, or just the diamond pic in general? If it''s the latter, it''s usualy a matter of, JA just doesn''t take very good pictures.
 
Just try to see as many as you can... the good and the bad proportion, then you will start to catch what looks like leakage.

Don''t bother about trying to determine if a stone is eye-clean from the loupe, not reliable, best to just ask the vendor.
 
K - Thanks guys!

Yes, I was referring to JA''s pics... The ones that I viewed looked kinda bad! But the stats looked good to me, so I was confused. I''ll try not to focus on them as much. :)

After doing a little more digging, I think #1 would probably not be the best match for me as I want to get as much size as I can out of the stone while keeping in the ideal range. So if it has a smaller table, that probably wouldn''t help my cause very much. :)

Any tips on what to look for to maximize face-up size of the diamond while staying within the "ideal" GIA/AGS cut range?

Thanks!
L
 
Find a stone with a smaller depth, everything else being the same. Will decrease your choices though.
 
If you don''t mind sharing your budget, I can have a look around. Also, what all you would consider in color and clarity. Lastly, what is more important, size or cut?
 
Absolutely... Would love to see what you find!

13.5k or under
Color F,G,H for the lowest (possibly medium blue flor to cancel out warmth?)
Si1-Si2 (eye-clean)
Excellent cut is very important - I'd rather go down in size for the diamond to sparkle like mad.
1.75-2 ct. round brilliant (1.85 and up preferred, but not if that means I have to sacrifice visible quality)


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Ok, unfortunately we're not going to find anything in an excellent cut in this range. You would need to either go down in size to achieve the great cut, or, lower the color requirement, or go up in budget. So just going on what you gave me, here's what I could find.

http://goodoldgold.com/diamond/5958/


And BGD has a 1.57 H SI1 listed for 11,634.00, which I assume would get some kind of PS discount, would need to ask. You would also need to email them for pics/info, etc.

These two are top of the line as far as cut goes.


If budget were able to be increased, WF has this one listed in the price search for 14,342.00, with possibly other discounts, would need to ask. Another top of the line.

http://www.whiteflash.com/hearts_arrows/Whiteflash-ACA-cut-diamond-2176305.htm


And of course would need to ask if eyeclean on all.

HTH!
 
Date: 9/3/2009 9:27:40 AM
Author: Ellen


Date: 9/2/2009 6:37:53 PM
Author: Stone-cold11
Try this? :p Twining wisp inclusions, check if eye-clean.

http://www.jamesallen.com/diamonds/F-SI2-Ideal-Cut-Round-Diamond-1239575.asp
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My guess is, she may not care for the strong flo? Also, it's not what we would call 'top' cut, with those angles.

Oops, quoted wrong post!
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Definitely need an IS for this one, also it has come up before and I doubt it is eyeclean but of course it doesn't hurt to ask.
 
Date: 9/3/2009 9:27:40 AM
Author: Ellen
Date: 9/2/2009 6:37:53 PM

Author: Stone-cold11

Try this? :p Twining wisp inclusions, check if eye-clean.


http://www.jamesallen.com/diamonds/F-SI2-Ideal-Cut-Round-Diamond-1239575.asp
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My guess is, she may not care for the strong flo? Also, it's not what we would call 'top' cut, with those angles.

Oops, quoted wrong post!
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That is your preference. From what I see, you have never had anything good to say about an FIC cut suggested. Except with Yssie's ring. https://www.pricescope.com/community/threads/my-2-ct-fic-is-here-journey-and-pics.123820/
 
I like both the James Allen cut stone-cold picked.. you can''t beat the price on that.. as mentioned eye clean would be important for me. However, I love that whiteflash diamond.. a bit pricy and over your budget; but if you can pay via wire transfer and mention price scope you can get i think up to 5% discount. That would put you closer to your budget.
 
Date: 9/3/2009 9:51:59 AM
Author: Stone-cold11

Date: 9/3/2009 9:27:40 AM
Author: Ellen

Date: 9/2/2009 6:37:53 PM

Author: Stone-cold11

Try this? :p Twining wisp inclusions, check if eye-clean.


http://www.jamesallen.com/diamonds/F-SI2-Ideal-Cut-Round-Diamond-1239575.asp
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My guess is, she may not care for the strong flo? Also, it''s not what we would call ''top'' cut, with those angles.

Oops, quoted wrong post!
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That is your preference. From what I see, you have never had anything good to say about an FIC cut suggested. Except with Yssie ring. https://www.pricescope.com/community/threads/my-2-ct-fic-is-here-journey-and-pics.123820/
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stone, I have nothing personal against FIC''s per se. But unless someone is specifically looking for/requesting one, and especially if someone is looking for a top cut, across the board performer, they''re not what I think of, or consider suggesting. I don''t know of too many people who would suggest one either, given that request. Again, not because they are not beautiful, they''re just different.
 
Hi Ellen!

I feel like I''ve seen a lot of 1.75-2 ct Ideals in the 1.75- 2ct range in our budget, should I be wary of those??

This stone is no longer available but it was the #2 stone I posted above: http://www.jamesallen.com/diamonds/F-SI2-Ideal-Cut-Round-Diamond-1173109.asp

Doesn''t this fall within my range of Ideal cut, 1.75-2 ct? It doesn''t have the price on there anymore, but I know I wouldn''t have pulled it unless it was within our range...

I don''t need hearts and arrows - but I would like an ideal cut.

Thoughts?
 
Date: 9/3/2009 7:01:35 AM
Author: Ellen
Ok, unfortunately we're not going to find anything in an excellent cut in this range. You would need to either go down in size to achieve the great cut, or, lower the color requirement, or go up in budget. So just going on what you gave me, here's what I could find.

http://goodoldgold.com/diamond/5958/


And BGD has a 1.57 H SI1 listed for 11,634.00, which I assume would get some kind of PS discount, would need to ask. You would also need to email them for pics/info, etc.

These two are top of the line as far as cut goes.


If budget were able to be increased, WF has this one listed in the price search for 14,342.00, with possibly other discounts, would need to ask. Another top of the line.

http://www.whiteflash.com/hearts_arrows/Whiteflash-ACA-cut-diamond-2176305.htm


And of course would need to ask if eyeclean on all.

HTH!
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Oh my... That second one looks perrrrrfect. What's a couple thousand more??? Ahh... Dilemma. My setting is eating up a bit of the budget - $3500, so we COULD do that stone without the setting. But I do love the setting... Hmm..
 
DId you request for the IS image for this stone? JA will put a hold on the stones for you that you have requested for IS image.
 
Date: 9/3/2009 11:57:12 AM
Author: LFVDoll
Date: 9/3/2009 8:55:20 AM

Author: Stone-cold11

Date: 9/2/2009 6:37:53 PM

Author: Stone-cold11
Try this? :p Twining wisp inclusions, check if eye-clean.

http://www.jamesallen.com/diamonds/F-SI2-Ideal-Cut-Round-Diamond-1239575.asp
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Not considering this?
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Hi Stone~
Thanks for providing the link! I just got a chance to really take a look at it. Strong blue flor does scare me away a bit... Plus isn't the price pretty low for a 2ct? That always concerns me.
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This is mainly due to trade discount strong blue fluor, for a D color it is heavily discounted, I think around 15%. from what I understand, it used to be the other way round where D with strong blue was much sought after. But it is a personal preference, as long as it is not an overblue, which results in hazy/oily appearance of the stone in UV light, and it is eye-clean it should perform just as well.
 
Date: 9/3/2009 11:57:12 AM
Author: LFVDoll








I just got a chance to really take a look at it. Strong blue flor does scare me away a bit... Plus isn't the price pretty low for a 2ct? That always concerns me.
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I suspect as I have seen this diamond come up for discussion several times for some weeks now that it might not be eyeclean as it is a lot of diamond for the price, but the only way to know is to check with the vendor. Strong blue fluorescence might also account for a reduction in the price, rarely strong blue can cause a diamond to look cloudy in some lights but this is very unusual so you would need to check with the vendor -

that this diamond is eyeclean to your standards and make your expectations clear -

that the fluorescence isn't making the diamond look cloudy.

Ask for the gemologist Julianna to check the diamond out for you. Also check this one concerning the cavity noted that in SI2 it isn't a potential durability issue.
 
Date: 9/3/2009 11:59:09 AM
Author: LFVDoll



Date: 9/3/2009 7:01:35 AM
Author: Ellen
Ok, unfortunately we're not going to find anything in an excellent cut in this range. You would need to either go down in size to achieve the great cut, or, lower the color requirement, or go up in budget. So just going on what you gave me, here's what I could find.

http://goodoldgold.com/diamond/5958/


And BGD has a 1.57 H SI1 listed for 11,634.00, which I assume would get some kind of PS discount, would need to ask. You would also need to email them for pics/info, etc.

These two are top of the line as far as cut goes.


If budget were able to be increased, WF has this one listed in the price search for 14,342.00, with possibly other discounts, would need to ask. Another top of the line.

http://www.whiteflash.com/hearts_arrows/Whiteflash-ACA-cut-diamond-2176305.htm


And of course would need to ask if eyeclean on all.

HTH!
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Oh my... That second one looks perrrrrfect. What's a couple thousand more??? Ahh... Dilemma. My setting is eating up a bit of the budget - $3500, so we COULD do that stone without the setting. But I do love the setting... Hmm..
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Do you mean the WF diamond? Don't look at the price on the diamonds page itself, it is discounted to 14,342.00 (in the PS search) plus there "might" be more of a discount, you'd need to ask.


As for the JA 2 ct. for 9000.00, yes, that's really cheap. Part of the reason is the fluorescence, part of it is the cut. Diamonds are priced not only on ct./color/clarity, but also on how well they are cut. This is what's called a Fiery Ideal Cut, you can search on here for more info. If one was looking for one, I think a better one could be found, they are not all created equal. I'd want longer lgf's (arrows) than this one has. It will not look/behave like the ones I linked. And lastly, I honestly don't know how JA can sell some of there stones for the price they do...

Doing a PS search for this ct. weight, color and clarity, they start out at 14000.00.....
 
Date: 9/3/2009 1:15:06 PM
Author: Ellen
This is what's called a Fiery Ideal Cut, you can search on here for more info. If one was looking for one, I think a better one could be found, they are not all created equal. I'd want longer lgf's (arrows) than this one has.
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I think this LGF is good, but again it is personal preference.

Not that it is still AGS0 cut grade.
 
Date: 9/3/2009 1:15:06 PM
Author: Ellen


Date: 9/3/2009 11:59:09 AM
Author: LFVDoll




Date: 9/3/2009 7:01:35 AM
Author: Ellen
Ok, unfortunately we're not going to find anything in an excellent cut in this range. You would need to either go down in size to achieve the great cut, or, lower the color requirement, or go up in budget. So just going on what you gave me, here's what I could find.

http://goodoldgold.com/diamond/5958/


And BGD has a 1.57 H SI1 listed for 11,634.00, which I assume would get some kind of PS discount, would need to ask. You would also need to email them for pics/info, etc.

These two are top of the line as far as cut goes.


If budget were able to be increased, WF has this one listed in the price search for 14,342.00, with possibly other discounts, would need to ask. Another top of the line.

http://www.whiteflash.com/hearts_arrows/Whiteflash-ACA-cut-diamond-2176305.htm


And of course would need to ask if eyeclean on all.

HTH!
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Oh my... That second one looks perrrrrfect. What's a couple thousand more??? Ahh... Dilemma. My setting is eating up a bit of the budget - $3500, so we COULD do that stone without the setting. But I do love the setting... Hmm..
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Do you mean the WF diamond? Don't look at the price on the diamonds page itself, it is discounted to 14,342.00 (in the PS search) plus there 'might' be more of a discount, you'd need to ask.


As for the JA 2 ct. for 9000.00, yes, that's really cheap. Part of the reason is the fluorescence, part of it is the cut. Diamonds are priced not only on ct./color/clarity, but also on how well they are cut. This is what's called a Fiery Ideal Cut, you can search on here for more info. If one was looking for one, I think a better one could be found, they are not all created equal. I'd want longer lgf's (arrows) than this one has. It will not look/behave like the ones I linked. And lastly, I honestly don't know how JA can sell some of there stones for the price they do...

Doing a PS search for this ct. weight, color and clarity, they start out at 14000.00.....
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I meant the WF diamond - sorry for confusion! It looks lovely. :)

Okay so... For example, I tend to find diamonds like this: http://www.abazias.com/database/NewDiamondInfo.asp?stock=67050346&src=builder

And think, that falls into the range and budget we're looking for - am I missing something?
 
Date: 9/3/2009 1:42:08 PM
Author: LFVDoll

I meant the WF diamond - sorry for confusion! It looks lovely. :)

Okay so... For example, I tend to find diamonds like this: http://www.abazias.com/database/NewDiamondInfo.asp?stock=67050346&src=builder

And think, that falls into the range and budget we''re looking for - am I missing something?
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No problem!

I''m getting ready to leave, but I''ll be back on later, early evening. If you can, let me know (in here) if you''re around then. I found a very, very nice "potential", but I don''t want to post it for fear of it being snatched up. Hope to see you later!
 
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