What can I get??Price???

[sprite113]

Hi alls,
I am about to make a purchase for an engagement ring. Here are the specs that I need:
GIA Cert
Symmetry - EX
Polish - EX
Flourescence - None
Girdle - Medium
Carat - 1.00
Color - D to F
Clarity - VVS1 to VVS2
Table - 53% to 57%
Depth - 60% to 63%
Culet - None

*Looking for Round brilliant*

My budget is 7 - 8K excluding setting. Will I be able to find one??

Also - what will you think is a reasonable price for the specs that I want if you were to buy it?

Thanks for all the help..

 

[Giangi]

Yes you should be able to find a stone that meets your requirements. Expecially in the F color category. I don't think you can get a superideal D at that price.

But... Are you sure you want a 1ct E-F/VVS and not let's say a 1.35ct G/VS? I mean, they would look very close in quality to the naked eye, but size difference would be noticeable.

 

[sprite113]

That is pretty much what I want. But can anyone provide me a rough estimate of the pricing in each color category with respect to the specifications I want. Thank you so much.

 

[Giangi]

Assuming a good AGS-0 (but not H&A--based on stones posted on pricescope.com):

D/VVS 1 11000/ct
D/VVS 2 8500/ct

E/VVS 1 10000/Ct
E/VVS 2 8200/ct

F/VVS 1 8300/ct
F/VVS 2 6500/ct

All +/- $300/ct, dpending on the lab, fluorescence and proportions.

 

[Mara]

Sprite- go onto www.pricescope.com and click on 'Cut Quality search' in the top right area of the page. Then put in your parameters, leaving the 'Excellent' in there and make sure 'Round' is chosen, and then search. This will bring up very excellently cut stones from some reputable online vendors, and you can get a firsthand look at what they are charging for the range of stones you want. All of their stones will most likely have the tables/depth you are looking for since these will all be very good stones.




My two cents...maybe keep the colorless range for the stone, but drop that clarity!! You can easily save around $3k dropping from a VVS1 to a VS1. Or add more carat weight (a girls best friend!). I ran a search last nite for someone with similar paramters and they were looking at a 1.25 E VVS1 stone for $13500. I found a 1.28 D VS1 stone for $10500, very excellently cut. Or for that same $13-14k they could get a 1.50c E VS stone. Pretty sweet. I would never pay for or want a VVS stone, why pay for something you can't even see. My opinion anyway.

With your $7-8k you should be able to find what you are looking for, though you may have to drop down to VS anyway because as I noted, VVS commands a huge premium. Moreso than color from what I have seen.




Good luck.

 

[magna2]

sprite113,

You'll find many diamonds taht fits your criteria especially if you are not too concern with "cut". However, if cut is important to you then you'll find less choices if you stick with the color and clarity that you have specified.

I would recommend that you drop down to a VS clarity level instead of the VVS clarity. There are definitely more choices in the VS clarity range if you want to keep within the "colorless" range.

 

[sprite113]

Actually - I found 2 on Pricescope.
Option 1
Color - E
Carat - 1.0
Clarity - VVS2
Depth - 62.7%
Table - 54%
GIA Cert
Girdle - Med
Culet - None
Sym - EX
Pol - EX
Dimension - 6.38*6.41*4.01
Price - 7934 via ABAZIAS

Option 2
Color - F
Carat - 1.0
Clarity - VVS2
Depth - 61.9%
Table - 54%
GIA Cert
Girdle - T-MF
Culet - None
Sym - EX
Pol - EX
Dimension - 6.41x6.54x4.01
Price - 7072 via affordable diamonds.

What would you guys pay if for any of these??Thanks again.. I hope I am not flooding this forum.

 

[derekinla]

Is there a particular reason you're set on a VVS grade for clarity? If there is a sentimental, emotional, symbolic, or psychologic importance to having a VVS stone, go for it... If you're after visual performance, I would consider easing up on this parameter. Clarity has the least overall impact on a RB's overall visual performance. I would put most of your efforts into getting an ideal cut. Remember CUT CUT CUT!

 

[sprite113]

There's really no reasoning behind the clarity...Since I figure this is a hopefully a one time deal..I might as well try to get the best one I can....I am not too into size..so 1 carat is more than fine for me thoughs.

But you guys haven't really answered my initial question. What are you willing to pay for the exact specs listed above???

 

[derekinla]

The examples you posted don't have enough info on cut. The stones are presumeably GIA certed and therefore only report table size and depth percentge but no crown or pavillion angles. You need to have the full specs from say a Sarin report to be able to start to even speculate on the quality of the cut. An AGS certed stone would also have the full specs. Ask the vendor for the complete specs or a Sarin report and let us know the data.

 

[magna2]

sprite113,

First, it is not a clear cut (no pun intended) answer regarding how much folks are willing to pay for a diamond with the sepcifications that you provided. Most of the folks on this board will sacrifice on some of the criteria that you listed for "cut" and hence how well it performs. And by "cut" I don't just mean table and depth percentages but also crown and pavillion angles/percentages.

And regarding your question whether your budget is reasonable for the limited specifications that you've detailed - It depends!! Obviously it is reasonble range for the numbers that you've listed but then some folks are willing to spend more and some are not. It is all a personal choice and diamond selection criteria are subjective.

If it fits your budget, then go for it. Don't concern yourself with what other's might or might not be willing to pay.

BTW, of the two diamonds that you listed I would go with No.1 although it is not quite in the ideal range. The second one seems a bit out of round. Then again, you need to really see the two or get better info to make a better guess.

 

[aljdewey]

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On 10/16/2003 12:28:59 PM sprite113 wrote:

I am about to make a purchase for an engagement ring. Here are the specs that I need:
GIA Cert
Symmetry - EX
Polish - EX
Flourescence - None
Girdle - Medium
Carat - 1.00
Color - D to F
Clarity - VVS1 to VVS2
Table - 53% to 57%
Depth - 60% to 63%
Culet - None

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Yes, you can get just about what you want in the lower color range for just a bit more than $8K.

I found this stone for $8395: 1.014 ct., F, VVS1, Table 57%, Depth 60.2%, .3 culet (which is none), girdle is .8 - 1.2, no fluor. The stone is not GIA, it's AGS which is just as good (if not BETTER), and polish/symmetry is Ideal/Ideal (same as GIA ex/ex).

This stone scores a .9 TIC on the HCA (which is fabulous!), and the rating is ex-ex-ex-ex. You'd be hard pressed to find a better stone.

Having said that, I agree with most of the others. I personally would not pay the premium for the F or the VVS when you could get a G/H VS2 and there is NO discernable difference to the unaided eye....NONE.

But, it's your money....do what you wish. You can find what you've outlined for just beyond your listed budget.

Most important....keep in mind that cut is the most important element of a diamond. It is THE reason a diamond sparkles/performs. The info you've given on the diamonds above don't include two key pieces of information that help assess the quality of the cut ....crown angle and pavilion angle. They may be well cut.....they may be less than well-cut. You should ask both vendors for the crown/pav angles and come back with them. FYI, the diamond I listed above is EXCEPTIONALLY cut.

I'm sure you can find a diamond in your parameters for less than I've listed, but will it be as well cut? If it isn't, you should sacrifice on color/clarity to preserve cut.

Good luck.

 

[jorgep]

Dear Sprite,
I am looking for a rock with similar type dimensions. I would recommend going to a store to see the 1.0 vs 1.2 carat size. I thought it was quite a bit larger. If you still want the 1.0, then stick with it. Its your choice.

As for the VVS, the people here told me the same thing. Go with a VS and either get a larger stone or save the money. After all, who carries a loupe around with them. I know...VVS sounds better.

You should DEFINITELY be able to get an awsome ring for the $7k-$8k range. Don't let anyone else tell you differently. I'm looking for same type specs but in 1.2 range and I've found quite a bit.

If buying on-line, here's my 2 cents:
Blue Nile - HUGE selection. Easy to use diamond finder. Prices are 10-15% higher than other on-line dealers. Great rep.
Next best selection is Whiteflash. Diamond selector little more difficult, however prices better than Blue Nile. Note only 10 day refund policy.
Good old gold has BEST information. Gives you all info you would want. You should check out if just to get info. Diamond finder is a little weak.

Let me know how your search goes since I have not bought anything yet. Just done lots of research.
JorgeP