Want to learn about pink diamond, please help =D

[Newgirl87]

Hi masters,

Please help me learn about pink diamonds.
Recently I ask for quotes for pink diamonds and get a new info that HK jewellery mostly used color marker to make their diamond looks pinker? That's why the price is much lower for more saturated color.
Sooo my question is if they are all GIA graded, would GIA know?
Ooor if the marker is put the marker on the setting/below the diamond itself?

For example this ring:

It price is about USD5200 (whole ring), GIA purplish pink 0,28ct (I don;t have the GIA cert).

When I asked another vendor, they said just pink diamond that color is more than USD5000. So the color must be fake. This vendor was very trusted among this forum but very busy so I can't ask him to teach me...

Is it true? How?

Thanks a lot for you help!!

 

[Autumn in New England]

It sounds like you may be referring to coated diamonds, which, yes, are much less costly than FCDs with natural color origin. The GIA will certainly be able to decipher any and all treatments. Many FCDs are also set into gold cups (rose for pink diamonds and traditional for yellow diamonds), which can enhance their apparent color. That is an accepted practice in the industry. But if colored foil and the like are being used to backset a diamond in order to create or enhance apparent color, that would be considered deceptive, if it is not properly disclosed. Here's an article that may help. Good luck!

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[Newgirl87]

Just got the GIA cert


Is it a good deal for the price?
Do you think they use any method to enhance the color on the ring?

 

[Rfisher]

Wasn’t someone using bright pink (or blue or green) plating of some sort on the settings - in areas closest to the fancy colored diamonds pavilions?

I wonder if that’s what it is - not a coating on the diamond itself.

I’ll try any and search for example to link

 

[Newgirl87]

@Autumn in New England: I don't think it's coated as it said natural on the gia report. It might be the colored foil/other you mention that can be done on the setting. My issue is I'm trying to understand the price point for pink diamonds as my budget is very limited vs what the vendor said.
@Rfisher : Thanksss it would be nice to understand!

 

[Autumn in New England]

@Autumn in New England: I don't think it's coated as it said natural on the gia report. It might be the colored foil/other you mention that can be done on the setting. My issue is I'm trying to understand the price point for pink diamonds as my budget is very limited vs what the vendor said.
@Rfisher : Thanksss it would be nice to understand!

Yes, this one is definitely not coated (or was not at the time of testing). The GIA determined that the color origin is natural, and that it's a predominantly purple hue with a pink modifier. The saturation is "fancy light." For reference, this is a fancy light pinkish-purple .75ct. diamond.



As you can see, the color in the ring you posted appears much, much more saturated. There is some variation in the GIA's grading levels, but I don't think that would account for the large discrepancy we're seeing here. The ring stone looks like a fancy vivid, which we know it is not. But you said this is a very reputable dealer. I would just ask him if the diamond is backset (with anything more than a rose gold cup, etc.) or if the color has been enhanced in any way. I'd also ask to see videos. Perhaps the diamond has not been backset, but the photos are simply enhanced (which would irk me regardless). Speaking in terms of value, $5,000 is quite low for a fancy light pink/purple, even with I1 clarity. I would just proceed very carefully. This is why it's a good idea to buy FCDs loose (and not pre-set)... that way you know exactly what you're paying for, and there are no surprises down the road. Good luck!

 

[Newgirl87]

@Autumn in New England
Sorry the reputable vendor was the one who said I was being tricked by the colour n price.
As the one who sell the ring, its new company whose buy HK jewellery in bulk therefore have rather great price for most piece. I have ask about cup/color enhance but they don't seems to understand.
Sooo you said that this is still a good deal just based on the gia cert itself? it was $5200 for the whole ring not just for the center. Thanks a lot for you help

 

[Bron357]

If it’s a “new” vendor, tread with caution.
Rings have been sold “not” containing the gem (s) stated in the lab report. It can be a mistake, it can be deception.
When a gemstone is set, like in the ring, you cannot match its girdle inscription to the GIA report because it’s set in a ring and the girdle is inaccessible. You need to have the gem unmounted by a jeweller and then remounted - aside from the cost it’s x 2 activity that could damage either the gem or the setting.
With a well known, trusted and established vendor buying a fancy pink already set may not be a concern but with a new vendor with prices that seem a little too good, proceed with caution.
What is the return policy? Can you return for a full refund (except shipping costs) if you don’t like it?
If you can’t buy in person, pay by credit card or PayPal. Any time a deal seems really good, be extra careful. The other potential issue is that your ring might never arrive and if you’ve sent a wire transfer or similar you might not be able to get your money back.

 

[kenny]

The GIA report number checks out on GIA's website's "Report Check" feature.




BUT...

The saturation of the color on GIA's Report #6381682791, Fancy Light Purplish Pink, does not match the pic you posted.
Waaaaay does not!

The seller probably didn't use a "marker" pen on the diamond, as you mentioned.
(S)he probably used a computer program like Photoshop to increase the color saturation of the diamond in the pic.

That, or the stone in your pic is not even the stone in the Report.
Sapphires are much cheaper than fully-natural FCDs, and can look that color.
Cutting a sapphire (or other stone) to match the dimensions of the Report's pear might explain this mystery.

The eight pics below is what GIA's Fancy Light Purplish Pinks look like in the pics of a vendor with photography I trust based on buying around 25 FCDs from them.




The pear in your pic looks more like the saturation GIA would grade as Fancy Intense Purplish pink.


Here is what Fancy Intense Purplish Pink looks like ... and check out those prices.






So, there's no way you are getting a loose 0.28 ct GIA-graded fully-natural Fancy Light Purplish Pink , let alone one set in a ring like that, for $5200.
No way!
Something's not right.

You're not looking at a great deal.
You're looking at a rip off.

 

[lovedogs]

Definitely don't buy this. It will either be a different stone than the GIA report, or the pic you were given was photoshopped and it wont actually look that way. One way to try and figure out the "true" look of the ring is to ask the vendor for "real life" pics of the ring on someone's finger in natural daylight.

 

[Rockdiamond]

Hi everybody!
A few key points.
1) GIA grades the diamond loose. Subsequent to that, anything can happen
2) that would include setting the diamond into a deceptive setting.
3) when I say “deceptive” I’m not speaking of a simple cup. Lately I’ve seen rings where they’ve literally painted the bottom of a colored diamond to make it look…… like the one in the picture.
Without doing a lot of research ( I’m not at my office yet) the price seems low enough to be a red flag.

 

[Rfisher]

Wasn’t someone using bright pink (or blue or green) plating of some sort on the settings - in areas closest to the fancy colored diamonds pavilions?

I wonder if that’s what it is - not a coating on the diamond itself.

I’ll try any and search for example to link

Found it!!!!!

I'd be happy to disclose the online website here. I hope it's not against the rules, yikes.

If that is the case, the price of my diamond will also be revealed, haha! As terrible as it sounds, I think COVID-19 has really given consumers a much stronger bargaining power. I got a 35% discount off an already extremely competitive price.

My vendor is a Taiwanese, and no Taiwan is not a part of China no matter how much China tries to extend its influence. My vendor has a factory and has a couple of extremely experienced old craftsmen working for him. He specialises in coloured gems and coloured diamonds of all sorts. Most of it comes with GIA or GRS certifications, and his Yahoo online store has 1000 over positive reviews. I communicate with him primarily using Mandarin, but if anyone is interested purchasing anything I would be more than happy to serve as your middleman.

Just a word of caution, much of what you see in the website are fully set coloured diamonds rings. In Asia they have this technique where they electroplate (e.g. blue, pink, green etc) the mount of ring to enhance the colour of the diamond. It's does not affect or subject the diamond to any form of treatment, but the ring setting itself is made such that a GIA light pink diamond will appear as if it were a fancy pink diamond. I prefer the natural colour of my diamond, so I didn't opt for such a setting.

 

[kenny]

... One way to try and figure out the "true" look of the ring is to ask the vendor for "real life" pics of the ring on someone's finger in natural daylight.

I'd say no.
If this vendor is dishonest enough to do what they've already done I'd cross them off my list and find another vendor.

Someone skilled in Photoshop can still change the color of the stone itself without changing the color of anything else in the pic, including the skin.

Also there is nothing special, true, honest, or magic about "natural" light.
When the camera's white balance is correctly set for whatever light source is used, the color of the stone will appear the same, and will be correct.

And if you do use natural light, if the camera's white balance is not set to that the color will not be accurate.
Also ... which natural light?
The orangy sunlight of sunset or sunrise?
The color of sunlight in mid day?
The color of natural light under a cloudy sky?

With colored photography the devil's in the details.

 

[lovedogs]

I'd say no.
If this vendor is dishonest enough to do what they've already done I'd cross them off my list and find another vendor.

Someone skilled in Photoshop can still change the color of the stone itself without changing the color of anything else in the pic, including the skin.

Also there is nothing special, true, honest, or magic about "natural" light.
When the camera's white balance is correctly set for whatever light source is used, the color of the stone will appear the same, and will be correct.

And if you do use natural light, if the camera's white balance is not set to that the color will not be accurate.
Also ... which natural light?
The orangy sunlight of sunset or sunrise?
The color of sunlight in mid day?
The color of natural light under a cloudy sky?

With colored photography the devil's in the details.

Fair point!

 

[yssie]

This photo has 100% been manipulated to exaggerate the magenta.

Look at the pink in the rose gold. No 14k/18k rose gold is fluorescent pink - no 14k/18k rose gold ever shows magenta reflections like at arrows. No 14k/18k rose gold shows a white-pink gradient like inside circle.



Run, don’t walk, from this literal scam artist.

 

[Rockdiamond]

Looks very much like a tray of green. blue and pink rings that a vendor bought over the other day.
NEON colors.
I was incredulous- like...."Who in their right mind would believe this is natural????"
Of course, from his perspective, who cares.....just make sales, regardless.
They are painting the inside of closed cups- and possibly even the pavilions of the diamonds.
Personally, I believe that's what we're looking at as opposed to a photoshopped pic.

 

[yssie]

Looks very much like a tray of green. blue and pink rings that a vendor bought over the other day.
NEON colors.
I was incredulous- like...."Who in their right mind would believe this is natural????"
Of course, from his perspective, who cares.....just make sales, regardless.
They are painting the inside of closed cups- and possibly even the pavilions of the diamonds.
Personally, I believe that's what we're looking at as opposed to a photoshopped pic.

That's appalling.
I think it's both!! I'd bet money this pic was altered, and not very skillfully done either

 

[Nosean]

The GIA report number checks out on GIA's website's "Report Check" feature.




BUT...

The saturation of the color on GIA's Report #6381682791, Fancy Light Purplish Pink, does not match the pic you posted.
Waaaaay does not!

The seller probably didn't use a "marker" pen on the diamond, as you mentioned.
(S)he probably used a computer program like Photoshop to increase the color saturation of the diamond in the pic.

That, or the stone in your pic is not even the stone in the Report.
Sapphires are much cheaper than fully-natural FCDs, and can look that color.
Cutting a sapphire (or other stone) to match the dimensions of the Report's pear might explain this mystery.

The eight pics below is what GIA's Fancy Light Purplish Pinks look like in the pics of a vendor with photography I trust based on buying around 25 FCDs from them.




The pear in your pic looks more like the saturation GIA would grade as Fancy Intense Purplish pink.


Here is what Fancy Intense Purplish Pink looks like ... and check out those prices.






So, there's no way you are getting a loose 0.28 ct GIA-graded fully-natural Fancy Light Purplish Pink , let alone one set in a ring like that, for $5200.
No way!
Something's not right.

You're not looking at a great deal.
You're looking at a rip off.

In the report a Fancy Light Pinkish Purple

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So def. not the color in the vendors picture.

 

[kenny]

Nosean, good catch.
Thanks for spotting the color error that I reposted.

Instead of repeating the error in the opening post (see screen capture below), which could have originated at the vendor, I should have looked at the GIA report itself.
After all I looked it up, and even posted it.

 

[Nosean]

Nosean, good catch.
Thanks for spotting the error that I reposted in name of the GIA color.

Instead of repeating the color-name-error written in the opening post (see screen capture below), which could have originated at the vendor, I should have looked at the GIA report itself.
After all I looked it up, and even posted it.

Yes, and the clarity is terrible. So many cavities.

 

[kenny]

Yes, and the clarity is terrible. So many cavities.

Yeah, it needs a good laboratory fluoride treatment.

 

[Newgirl87]

Woahhh Thanks a lot for your response, it's very helpful!! So sorry for late response!

I just got the actual ring shoot below:


So yeah they are photoshopping the first pic.

Do you think this actual pic match the GIA description? It still look pink to my naive eyes lol.
If yes, is it still a good deal?
I actually have bought some fashion jewellery with them as they are cheaper (HK bulk sale) with no issues. But this one is very expensive so I would want to know what I buy.

Thanksss!!

 

[oldcutclubmember]

I think @yssie is right in that they are using photoshop AND plating or painting or manipulating the ring or stone. The rose gold in the new pic still does not look rose gold. The color is very off.

It’s also very strange how in the first pic, the melee of the first halo is white and in the second pic, the melee of the first halo is the same pink color as the center stone. It almost looks like they went over the center stone and the first halo with a pink highlighter.

 

[Newgirl87]

@Muluver the first halo is a pink melee, so the second photo are more accurate IMO.. Oh but it never occured to me that they can paint the halo too!

If I may ask how much is the price of the center stone according to the GIA cert itself? I'm trying to understand the pricing.

 

[yssie]

The second photo you posted is also manipulated, or the stone has been backed/coated/painted, or both.

For pricing comparisons you can go through inventory from the vendor Kenny screenshotted on your own.

My question is why on earth you’re still even considering working with a vendor you know is being dishonest with you.

 

[kenny]

EEK!
Why are you still considering buying from this vendor?
What they've already done is inexcusable, and I'd call it fraud.

Please don't.

I strongly recommend buying from www.leibish.com
They are honest.

 

[Nosean]

A Fancy pinkish Purple can be nice but the clarity is not good. Many cavities - they look like deep scratches. I would avoid buying such a quality.

 

[Newgirl87]

Causeee my budget is very limited lol, and this one fits.
But I'll listen to you guys cause I believe you are expert. But that's why I also ask if this still a good price based on the center stone alone? It is soo hard to compare colored diamond price.

A Fancy pinkish Purple can be nice but the clarity is not good. Many cavities - they look like deep scratches. I would avoid buying such a quality.

You mean they won't sparkles much because of the cavity?

 

[lovedogs]

The ring wont look like this in real life. They are messing with the pictures somehow, because the certificate notation doesn't match with what the color looks like in the photos.

Edit. I dont understand why the "real life" pic is so blurry

 

[Newgirl87]

Arrgghh that ring just tick the right color and price... Okay then move on..

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This looks nice. With rose gold cup how much pink it would be after set? Does anybodey have a reference?
I would love a ring that still obviously pink so I don't have to explain that it's in fact a pink diamond lol.

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Or this, would the black spot be very visible? since it's a small stone. And if it will be look brown than pink?

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And this one, what's wrong with it since it very cheap?

Sorry for so many question..