urgent! need advice on a 2ct. rb

[Meandra]

Greetings,

I am a newbie to this forum, and would be very grateful if you would tell me your opinion regarding a stone I am considering at the moment. Below are the stats:

GIA cert (2111569327)
Measurements: 7.87-7.94-5.04 mm
Carat weight: 2.00 carat
Color: G
Clarity: VS2
Cut: VG
Depth: 63.8%
Table: 57%
Crown Angle: 37.5 degrees
Crown Height: 16.5 degrees
Pavilion Angle: 40.6 degrees
Pavilion Depth: 42.5 %
Star length: 55%
Lower Half: 80%
Girdle: Medium to thick, faceted (4.5%)
culet: none
polish: VG
symmetry: VG
fluoro: none
Price: $23.000

A little background: I plan to buy this stone and get it mounted as a second ering, as I already have a G color 1.70ct rb, GIA cert solitaire which I really love. But I went through the diamond shrinkage syndrome recently, and this is the primary reason for my desire to buy something bigger. My jeweler who found the other stone earlier found it for me, and says that it''s a good one for a fair price. Given the fact that I am happy with my current stone, I have reason to defer to his judgment. Except that I am a little undecided on a couple of things.

Btw: According to the Cut Adviser tool in this forum, this is a decent stone, too.

1) Measurements: I am at work at the moment and can''t remember the measurements of the 1.70ct on hand, but I think it''s rather close this one''s measurements. On the one hand, given that this one is only .30 bigger than the other, this makes sense. On the other hand, I''ve been reading that a 2.00 ideally should be in the 8mm diameter vicinity on the web. Is there truth to this statement? After all, the main reason I want to buy a bigger stone is, well, it''s supposed to look a teeny bit larger, right?
2) crown angle: is considered as too steep according to some criteria I found on the web. Would the current stat detract too much from this stone''s performance?
3) girdle: sounds too thick. Or should I accept it as it is for the given price?
4) overall speaking, how would you grade this stone according to price/performance ratio?

Thank you very much for your help!

 

[Lorelei]

Date: 3/29/2010 9:27:18 AM
Author:Meandra

Greetings,

I am a newbie to this forum, and would be very grateful if you would tell me your opinion regarding a stone I am considering at the moment. Below are the stats:

GIA cert (2111569327)
Measurements: 7.87-7.94-5.04 mm
Carat weight: 2.00 carat
Color: G
Clarity: VS2
Cut: VG
Depth: 63.8%
Table: 57%
Crown Angle: 37.5 degrees
Crown Height: 16.5 degrees
Pavilion Angle: 40.6 degrees
Pavilion Depth: 42.5 %
Star length: 55%
Lower Half: 80%
Girdle: Medium to thick, faceted (4.5%)
culet: none
polish: VG
symmetry: VG
fluoro: none
Price: $23.000

A little background: I plan to buy this stone and get it mounted as a second ering, as I already have a G color 1.70ct rb, GIA cert solitaire which I really love. But I went through the diamond shrinkage syndrome recently, and this is the primary reason for my desire to buy something bigger. My jeweler who found the other stone earlier found it for me, and says that it's a good one for a fair price. Given the fact that I am happy with my current stone, I have reason to defer to his judgment. Except that I am a little undecided on a couple of things.

Btw: According to the Cut Adviser tool in this forum, this is a decent stone, too.

1) Measurements: I am at work at the moment and can't remember the measurements of the 1.70ct on hand, but I think it's rather close this one's measurements. On the one hand, given that this one is only .30 bigger than the other, this makes sense. On the other hand, I've been reading that a 2.00 ideally should be in the 8mm diameter vicinity on the web. Is there truth to this statement? After all, the main reason I want to buy a bigger stone is, well, it's supposed to look a teeny bit larger, right?
2) crown angle: is considered as too steep according to some criteria I found on the web. Would the current stat detract too much from this stone's performance?
3) girdle: sounds too thick. Or should I accept it as it is for the given price?
4) overall speaking, how would you grade this stone according to price/performance ratio?

Thank you very much for your help!

Hi Meandra

Really the stone is facing up small for the weight due to the depth, crown angle and girdle, it won't look like a 2 carat stone visually as you aren't seeing the weight where you want it up top. I personally think you can do better, a well cut 2 ct round should spread around 8.10mm approximately.

The diamond in question actually has the spread or face up size of a well cut 1.70 ct thereabouts so if your goal is to increase visual size, you might not get any visual benefit if you already own a 1.70ct diamond, also bearing in mind with larger stones that size increases aren't as noticeable as with smaller diamonds....I would personally look for a stone which is better cut with the appropriate spread, especially for 23k.

Are you open to buying online? If so we might be able to suggest some diamonds you might like if your jeweller can't come up with anything else.

 

[Meandra]

Lorelei,

Many thanks for your speedy response.

"Really the stone is facing up small for the weight due to the depth, crown angle and girdle, it won''t look like a 2 carat stone visually as you aren''t seeing the weight where you want it up top. I personally think you can do better, a well cut 2 ct round should spread around 8.10mm approximately."

I am still getting used to sending posts here, so I may have botched putting up your comment properly, but the bottom line is.. my sentiments exactly! I mean, I am not a diamond expert by any means, but this is not my first purchase either. I already own 3/4 carats D color GIA cert diamond studs (bought from a jeweler in Chicago), and have a five stone wedding band that goes with my current ering, also bought from the same jeweler I mentioned earlier. I think it''s 1.75ct tw, H color, but it''s house certified, so I don''t think it''s worth mentioning.

For this stone, I don''t know how to explain it, but the stats simply did not sound right, even if it did receive an ok grading from GIA. Since I am not in a hurry, I don''t mind waiting for a better stone. I wrote urgent for my post earlier, as the jeweler told me that he could keep this stone only until tomorrow (it''s been with him since Friday) This is serious money for me, so I am determined to get my money''s worth, if I can.. As for web purchases--I don''t mind that either, though I have to admit that I''ve never done it before. I live in Turkey, so mailing the stone overseas may put me into trouble--or maybe not, I really have to check the laws here. Because when I last read it, importing precious stones to Turkey was tax free (though they can tax you for some other stuff, who knows?) I have friends who live in SanFran or Chicago who can also receive the stone for me. But, first, I have to find the stone I guess..

 

[Lorelei]

Date: 3/29/2010 11:11:07 AM
Author: Meandra

Lorelei,

Many thanks for your speedy response.

'Really the stone is facing up small for the weight due to the depth, crown angle and girdle, it won't look like a 2 carat stone visually as you aren't seeing the weight where you want it up top. I personally think you can do better, a well cut 2 ct round should spread around 8.10mm approximately.'

I am still getting used to sending posts here, so I may have botched putting up your comment properly, but the bottom line is.. my sentiments exactly! I mean, I am not a diamond expert by any means, but this is not my first purchase either. I already own 3/4 carats D color GIA cert diamond studs (bought from a jeweler in Chicago), and have a five stone wedding band that goes with my current ering, also bought from the same jeweler I mentioned earlier. I think it's 1.75ct tw, H color, but it's house certified, so I don't think it's worth mentioning.

For this stone, I don't know how to explain it, but the stats simply did not sound right, even if it did receive an ok grading from GIA. Since I am not in a hurry, I don't mind waiting for a better stone. I wrote urgent for my post earlier, as the jeweler told me that he could keep this stone only until tomorrow (it's been with him since Friday) This is serious money for me, so I am determined to get my money's worth, if I can.. As for web purchases--I don't mind that either, though I have to admit that I've never done it before. I live in Turkey, so mailing the stone overseas may put me into trouble--or maybe not, I really have to check the laws here. Because when I last read it, importing precious stones to Turkey was tax free (though they can tax you for some other stuff, who knows?) I have friends who live in SanFran or Chicago who can also receive the stone for me. But, first, I have to find the stone I guess..

You are welcome!

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I would personally pass on this diamond, it IS a lot of money and you want a well cut stone that looks the appropriate size. Check with the authorities concerning importing a diamond, I know many of the vendors here can send internationally so it might be a definite option.

There are lots of great options online for the budget, some examples below-

http://www.whiteflash.com/loose-diamonds/round-cut-loose-diamond-2126023.htm

http://www.goodoldgold.com/diamond/4884/

http://www.goodoldgold.com/diamond/6399/

http://www.whiteflash.com/loose-diamonds/round-cut-loose-diamond-2252156.htm

 

[Meandra]

Hi Lorelei,

Once again, many thanks for your response.

"I would personally pass on this diamond, it IS a lot of money and you want a well cut stone that looks the appropriate size."

I did! I called the jeweler and told him that I don''t want it. He was not too happy to hear it, but I''ll keep looking.

"Check with the authorities concerning importing a diamond, I know many of the vendors here can send internationally so it might be a definite option."

I will.. Or if it comes to worst, as I said earlier, I can always buy it online and get it sent to a friend in the States.

Btw, I checked the links you''ve sent me--they do seem to offer a better bang for my money. I guess it''s a matter of shopping around to eventually find something which has all the stuff I want. I guess I need to use the quotes section on this web to see what the vendors have to offer at the moment to get me started.

Please wish me luck!


There are lots of great options online for the budget, some examples below-


http://www.whiteflash.com/loose-diamonds/round-cut-loose-diamond-2126023.htm


http://www.goodoldgold.com/diamond/4884/


http://www.goodoldgold.com/diamond/6399/


http://www.whiteflash.com/loose-diamonds/round-cut-loose-diamond-2252156.htm[/quote]

 

[Lorelei]

Date: 3/29/2010 2:01:44 PM
Author: Meandra

Hi Lorelei,

Once again, many thanks for your response.

''I would personally pass on this diamond, it IS a lot of money and you want a well cut stone that looks the appropriate size.''

I did! I called the jeweler and told him that I don''t want it. He was not too happy to hear it, but I''ll keep looking.

''Check with the authorities concerning importing a diamond, I know many of the vendors here can send internationally so it might be a definite option.''

I will..
Btw, I checked the links you''ve sent me--they do seem to offer a better bang for my money. I guess it''s a matter of shopping around to eventually find something which has all the stuff I want. I guess I need to use the quotes section on this web to see what the vendors have to offer at the moment to get me started.

Please wish me luck!

Of course! Lots of luck and just let us know if you want any more help!

 

[tyty333]

Another option...and its upgradable if you decide in the future you want to go larger
http://www.briangavindiamonds.com/diamond/diamond-detail/?product_id=AGS-1040399230006

Edit another...I 2.2
http://www.briangavindiamonds.com/diamond/diamond-detail/?product_id=AGS-1040391440001

 

[Meandra]

Thank you for sending that link to me. They do seem to have plenty of stones there to check. Have you or anyone you know ever made a purchase from that store?

Since the ering I am wearing is a 1.70ct G, I guess my first option would be to stay around in the G-H region. Higher colors would''ve been even better, but my budget, alas, is not infinite..

I also don''t want to stray below VS2 clarity, as the jeweler who sold me my ering claims that stones less than VS clarity in Turkey is rather difficult to sell. I have no intention of selling my stones, but you''d never know, so I guess I have to follow up his advice on that..

I have checked a few stones so far, and it seems like my goal seems possible-- to purchase a rb in the 2ct. vicinity with G-H color and VS2 clarity. At the moment, the quest, it seems, is to find the ''right one.''

Date: 3/29/2010 3:43:21 PM
Author: tyty333
Another option...and its upgradable if you decide in the future you want to go larger

http://www.briangavindiamonds.com/diamond/diamond-detail/?product_id=AGS-1040399230006


Edit another...I 2.2

http://www.briangavindiamonds.com/diamond/diamond-detail/?product_id=AGS-1040391440001

 

[stone-cold11]

Look at the vendors policies, most have an upgrade policy and some even a buy back policy, so you will not need to sell local if you ever suffer another DSS. So do consider an eye-clean SI stone.

 

[Meandra]

Date: 3/29/2010 5:06:25 PM
Author: Stone-cold11
Look at the vendors policies, most have an upgrade policy and some even a buy back policy, so you will not need to sell local if you ever suffer another DSS. So do consider an eye-clean SI stone.

Many thanks for your suggestion Stone-cold11. I guess if nothing reasonable comes up in the criteria I''d written, I will have to come up with such a contingency plan.

As for having another DSS in a couple of years. Ah, the temptation..

But with a little son growing fast, me and hubby will soon start scaling down our expenses seriously to make room for his education expenses. It can get pretty expensive over here..

I guess this will be our family''s final extravaganza for a considerable time to come. But, while I shop around, it''s party time here, so yay!

 

[Dreamer_D]

There are a few great vendors with super reputations here on PS that you can check out. As Stone mentioned, many have buyback policies at 70% - 80% what you paid, so selling on the private market if that need arises would not be necessary.

Here are the vendors I would recommend without hesitation:

www.briangavindiamonds.com
www.goodoldgold.com
www.whiteflash.com
www.highperformancediamonds.com

And these vendors are also excellent but do not have the same breadth of policies as the above, but their prices are lower:
www.jamesallen.com
www.exceldiamonds.com

 

[Meandra]

Here are the vendors I would recommend without hesitation:


www.briangavindiamonds.com

www.goodoldgold.com

www.whiteflash.com

www.highperformancediamonds.com

And these vendors are also excellent but do not have the same breadth of policies as the above, but their prices are lower:

www.jamesallen.com

www.exceldiamonds.com

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Thank you for sending me those links, dreamer. I already received an acknowledging mail from whiteflash in response to my initial inquiry for a quote. Hopefully they will come up with something that I like.

I also checked the other vendors you''ve suggested, but some of them do not seem to carry 2+ ct. sizes, so that''s a problem.

I guess I could ask for a quote from them, too.

My jeweler here contacted me today with a new stone. I want to open a new thread for it, as it is a different stone, and I have a question regarding HRD certs.