Update on "damaged" e-ring

[bellarosa]

Some of you were interested in knowing ultimately what happened with my princess cut e-ring (for back story, see my previous post). I took the ring to a gemologist in the NY diamond district. He looked at the stone w/his loupe & reviewed the GIA certificate. His assessment, without any hesitation, is that the stone is not damaged, chipped, or fractured in any way. It simply has an indented natural which is clearly plotted on the GIA certificate. It's not even high on list of priorities as the GIA has graded them since it comes last after all the other inclusions. The clarity is still VS2. It's simply a natural characteristic the stone was born with. I inquired whether most people, i.e. jewelers, would think the stone was damaged after examining it, and he said some would but a gemologist would know it's not. I asked what if the person who thought it was damaged was a gemologist (thinking maybe there was some room for interpretation of the results) and his response was "Then I would question his experience." No names or back story were ever offered during the entire exchange so please don't skewer me. These are the facts exactly as they happened. I hope this helps someone else. A lot of needless worry which could have been avoided. Lesson learned - always get a second opinion.

 

[Mico]

Re: Update on "damaged" e-ring

Do you think you will still get an upgrade? Have you thought about consigning again?

I'm glad to hear your diamond wasn't damaged

 

[bellarosa]

I'll most likely upgrade it in the future. I'm just waiting on the right stone. I won't consign it. I'll either make it a pendant or a pair of earrings.

 

[Enerchi]

Glad to learn your diamond is completely intact - phew! - what a relief!

good luck with future plans

 

[yssie]

Really, really glad you have independent confirmation that it's not damaged - that must be such a relief!

I am curious about how something like that could have been missed in the original debacle though. Did the vendor have the report? Was the possibility of it being an inclusion brought up? I'm a bit lost as to how an inclusion in a reputably graded VS2 - a non-grademaking inclusion at that - could be so 'severe' IRL as to have caused such a commotion... could that area of stone specifically been somehow damaged with setting/wear so it's no longer precisely the natural that's represented on the GIA report? That seems terribly unlikely.

 

[bellarosa]

Thank you all. Yes, it is certainly a relief. Yssie, the vendor had the original GIA report. The possibility that it could have been an inclusion was never brought up. Kinda of makes you go hmm. All I'll say is do not let a person's reputation dictate your course of action. In other words, don't take things at face value. Verify verify verify! I double & triple checked w/the gemologist whether there was any damage and he firmly said no. This is not someone who sells to the public so he had no interest other than the truth.

 

[canuk-gal]

HI:

Glad your stone wasn't damaged.

There have been threads where experienced/qualified appraisers have had disagreements about the variables of same lab certified stone. It happens. You got a second opinion and that worked out in your favour as other have in past.

cheers--Sharon

 

[Laila619]

You got two different opinions--how are you certain the second one is the correct one?

 

[junebug17]

You got two different opinions--how are you certain the second one is the correct one?

This was my thought as well.

 

[bellarosa]

Because the GIA report confirms the 2nd opinion. I think I'll trust the most reputable gem grading body in the world over a PS approved vendor. You're free to think differently.

 

[junebug17]

My comment wasn't in defense or support of anyone...I was just truly curious. Glad you have resolved the situation to your satisfaction!

 

[bellarosa]

Sorry I'm used to people being super defensive of PS vendors on here, sometimes to the exclusion of reason Anyway, just wanted to update on this unexpected twist.

 

[ame]

I had a dealing with a local jeweler with my old stone that had an indented natural at the girdle. This guy claimed it was either a chip or a "drilled and fracture filled stone", which it was neither. He was not versed in diamonds at all really, he was a benchie really, but had I not known what I DO know about diamonds and about that stone particularly, that probably would've sent me into a tailspin. I left that specifically uncovered because it was kind of neat, and a good identifier.

 

[yssie]

My intent is really not to stir up drama - IIRC there was more than enough drama last time on here - but I'm still confused and I rather hope one of our tradepeople will come in to comment on the situation, especially our appraisers.

Maybe Jon made a mistake. Mistakes happen.
Maybe the appraiser is mistaken.
But between Jon having the report in front of him and mistaking a plotted inclusion for a chip and the appraiser saying exactly the opposite... I'd probably be looking for a third opinion.
Of course, I'm not unbiased - I've never worked with GOG but I DO trust Jon's eye. And of course we don't know who the appraiser is, but the fact that he doesn't sell to the public is a good sign.

 

[Laila619]

Because the GIA report confirms the 2nd opinion. I think I'll trust the most reputable gem grading body in the world over a PS approved vendor. You're free to think differently.

Maybe there's both a natural and a chip? I hope not, but just not sure what to think.

 

[Dreamer_D]

I don't know the back story, for the record

But I would get a third opinion! With no other information given until after that third person had offered their opinion. My experience has been very mixed with jewelers and appraisers with whom I have worked locally. So I am a very distrustful person when it comes to my precious. I would be super careful in a case where an insurance claim and resale value is at stake.

 

[TC1987]

Because the GIA report confirms the 2nd opinion. I think I'll trust the most reputable gem grading body in the world over a PS approved vendor. You're free to think differently.

Was it removed from the mounting for this inspection? Until it's inspected un-mounted, in my opinion there is no conclusion and looking at it in a mounting would be just a waste of time and money. "The most reputable gem grading body" graded it before it has been set and worn.
Any natural I have seen has at least a trace of tool marks on its edge someplace, if viewed at high enough magnification. Naturals are (if I recall) strategically left as a means to retain diamond weight. It's an area of unpolished rough. If the cutter polished / ground all of that out, he or she would have to make a smaller diamond.

There isn't a lot of discussion about indented naturals in the PS archives. But I did find this:
https://www.pricescope.com/journal/diamond_feather_inclusions_durability_risk
[URL='https://www.pricescope.com/community/threads/if-polishing-a-chip-removes-half-a-point-must-i-recert.162568/']https://www.pricescope.com/community/threads/if-polishing-a-chip-removes-half-a-point-must-i-recert.162568/[/URL]
[URL='https://www.pricescope.com/community/threads/who-knows-about-princess-cut-diamonds.90773/']https://www.pricescope.com/community/threads/who-knows-about-princess-cut-diamonds.90773/[/URL]

 

[ame]

Because the GIA report confirms the 2nd opinion. I think I'll trust the most reputable gem grading body in the world over a PS approved vendor. You're free to think differently.

Was it removed from the mounting for this inspection? Until it's inspected un-mounted, in my opinion there is no conclusion and looking at it in a mounting would be just a waste of time and money. "The most reputable gem grading body" graded it before it has been set and worn.
Any natural I have seen has at least a trace of tool marks on its edge someplace, if viewed at high enough magnification. Naturals are (if I recall) strategically left as a means to retain diamond weight. It's an area of unpolished rough. If the cutter polished / ground all of that out, he or she would have to make a smaller diamond.

There isn't a lot of discussion about indented naturals in the PS archives. But I did find this:
https://www.pricescope.com/journal/diamond_feather_inclusions_durability_risk
[URL='https://www.pricescope.com/community/threads/if-polishing-a-chip-removes-half-a-point-must-i-recert.162568/']https://www.pricescope.com/community/threads/if-polishing-a-chip-removes-half-a-point-must-i-recert.162568/[/URL]
[URL='https://www.pricescope.com/community/threads/who-knows-about-princess-cut-diamonds.90773/']https://www.pricescope.com/community/threads/who-knows-about-princess-cut-diamonds.90773/[/URL]

This is a good point. If it's not being inspected unmounted like the "most respectable gem grading body", which does screw up occasionally, btw, then you need someone to reinspect it UNMOUNTED.

 

[Christina...]

If my first and second opinions were conflicting, I would have to consult a third. No question, I would get another appraiser to take a look, and as was mentioned before it should most definitely be out of it's mounting. Good Luck to you!