Update: Jon & Kate

[Kaleigh]

Add me to the list that really feels bad for those kids.

 

[Bia]

Do you think it''s doing harm to the kids by putting their lives in the spotlight like this? Especially now with their rocky marriage being headline news.

I mean, I guess it''s hypocritical of me because I watch shoes like Housewives, which is essentially the same thing, but still...

I can''t imagine putting my children, my most prized possessions, in front of the whole world to see. And my marriage...for everyone to scrutinize.

 

[upgrade]

Date: 6/22/2009 7:39:56 PM
Author: swingirl
Their image is tarnished but everyone still seems to want to watch their lives unfold and crumble.

Jon never really wanted the 2nd pregnancy. He was happy with the twins and didn''t want any more but Kate wanted ''just one more'' and went on fertility drugs. I think she thrives on attention and Jon hates it. The poor kids are stuck in the middle and have to live their lives in a fish bowl. Who wants videos of themselves on YouTube being spanked? Who wants the world to see their time-outs, melt downs, fake birthday parties and bickering parents. These kids will pay the price big time.

Agreed. But I don''t feel sorry for him for it. If he really wanted to stop at 2 then he shouldn''t have agreed to go along with the fertility treatments, whether he felt bullied into it or not. If he chose to be a pushover abot it, then he made his choice and he now has to accept the consequences of that choice. There comes a time when one has to really stand up for one''s beliefs and I don''t think he''s managed to do that yet. He keeps going along with Kate to avoid having to be a big boy and stand up for himself. It''s the easy way out and there are consequences to that. Sadly, it''s the children who are really going to pay. I think it''s awful that it''s out there that he really didn''t want another pregnancy because when those kids get older they''re going to know that he didn''t want them.

 

[swingirl]

No one plans for or really wants 6 kids all at the same time!!!! I think they get more affection from Jon than Kate. But recently they both have had scowls 100% of the time.

 

[mayachel]

Date: 6/22/2009 8:09:54 PM
Author: upgrade



Agreed. But I don''t feel sorry for him for it. If he really wanted to stop at 2 then he shouldn''t have agreed to go along with the fertility treatments, whether he felt bullied into it or not. If he chose to be a pushover abot it, then he made his choice and he now has to accept the consequences of that choice. There comes a time when one has to really stand up for one''s beliefs and I don''t think he''s managed to do that yet. He keeps going along with Kate to avoid having to be a big boy and stand up for himself. It''s the easy way out and there are consequences to that. Sadly, it''s the children who are really going to pay. I think it''s awful that it''s out there that he really didn''t want another pregnancy because when those kids get older they''re going to know that he didn''t want them.

Totally agree. They both seem so unhappy, yet I still side with Kate. I feel like she has been more *true* to herself, and the family all along. Where as maybe Jon got himself wrapped up in a family life he couldn''t handle. I blame him, he seems to blame himself while still passing the buck. Le sigh. It''s a shame.

 

[diamondseeker2006]

Well, I have only watched the show a few times in the past. But what I recall clearly each time was how controlling and mean Kate was to Jon. I think she is a super critical control-freak, and I see why Jon just couldn''t take it anymore. As far as I am concerned, the blame lies much more on her.

 

[Italiahaircolor]

Is anyone watching? I feel like John is pretty flippant...this is his life whether he likes it or not, and he has this attitude about him like "::shrug:: life goes on".

 

[Lynn B]

I''m watching, but I missed the first few minutes so I''m a little confused. It''s the "crooked house" episode, right??? Have I missed the Big Announcement yet???!

 

[chiapet]

Is Jon wearing EARRINGS on BOTH ears??? He''s going through early midlife crisis.

 

[february2003bride]

Date: 6/22/2009 9:37:24 PM
Author: chiapet
Is Jon wearing EARRINGS on BOTH ears??? He''s going through early midlife crisis.

Yes. Between the earrings, the sprots car, the girlfriend, he is absolutely having an early midlife crisis.

 

[April20]

Date: 6/22/2009 9:37:24 PM
Author: chiapet
Is Jon wearing EARRINGS on BOTH ears??? He''s going through early midlife crisis.

My thoughts exactly! I don''t think I''ve ever seen an entire episode, but turned it on tonight just to see what all the hoopla is about. Noticed his ear piercings first thing and wondered if he''d always had them (never remember seeing them before) or if it was a new thing that''s just another part of all the drama.

 

[Italiahaircolor]

Date: 6/22/2009 9:42:25 PM
Author: April20

Date: 6/22/2009 9:37:24 PM
Author: chiapet
Is Jon wearing EARRINGS on BOTH ears??? He''s going through early midlife crisis.

My thoughts exactly! I don''t think I''ve ever seen an entire episode, but turned it on tonight just to see what all the hoopla is about. Noticed his ear piercings first thing and wondered if he''d always had them (never remember seeing them before) or if it was a new thing that''s just another part of all the drama.

He''s smoking too.

 

[chiapet]

They just made the announcement. I''m so sad for the kids

I wonder if this will affect their ratings.

 

[Italiahaircolor]

Does anyone hate Jon after watching this...

I boiled over when he said he was "excited"

 

[Lynn B]

So far they have just said "separate"... unless I missed something?

 

[Italiahaircolor]

They filed for divorce today.

 

[Lynn B]

Oh... yep... writing on the screen just said they filed for divorce today. Well, I think they called it "dissolve the marriage..."

Yes, very sad.

 

[february2003bride]

Just...so sad.

 

[meresal]

Date: 6/22/2009 9:49:18 PM
Author: Italiahaircolor
Does anyone hate Jon after watching this...

I boiled over when he said he was ''excited''

To be honest, I don''t watch the show, and am still not watching... however, I still don''t understand why everyone is so against Kate. I haven''t seen a single tabloid picture where Jon had all the kids at the park, or the beach, or to dinner.

Italia, I think he''s total scum and that is strictly from stories and pictures. His attitude on the show that you are describing really doesn''t surpirse me. I''ve thought that Kate got the shaft in this entire thing.

I heard today that he is going to get a loft in NYC, I believe along the Hudson. Mid-life crisis would be spot on IMO. What I can''t stand is that he doesn''t even seem to care about the kids. People can trash Kate all they want, but at least she is still there.

 

[Italiahaircolor]

Date: 6/22/2009 9:54:38 PM
Author: meresal

Date: 6/22/2009 9:49:18 PM
Author: Italiahaircolor
Does anyone hate Jon after watching this...

I boiled over when he said he was ''excited''

To be honest, I don''t watch the show, and am still not watching... however, I still don''t understand why everyone is so against Kate. I haven''t seen a single tabloid picture where Jon had all the kids at the park, or the beach, or to dinner.

Italia, I think he''s total scum and that is strictly from stories and pictures. His attitude on the show that you are describing really doesn''t surpirse me. I''ve thought that Kate got the shaft in this entire thing.

I heard today that he is going to get a loft in NYC, I believe along the Hudson. Mid-life crisis would be spot on IMO. What I can''t stand is that he doesn''t even seem to care about the kids. People can trash Kate all they want, but at least she is still there.

Kate isn''t innocent...she''s been tough. But Jon has lost my total respect. He''s certianly going through something...

 

[meresal]

Date: 6/22/2009 9:57:23 PM
Author: Italiahaircolor

Date: 6/22/2009 9:54:38 PM
Author: meresal

Date: 6/22/2009 9:49:18 PM
Author: Italiahaircolor
Does anyone hate Jon after watching this...

I boiled over when he said he was ''excited''

To be honest, I don''t watch the show, and am still not watching... however, I still don''t understand why everyone is so against Kate. I haven''t seen a single tabloid picture where Jon had all the kids at the park, or the beach, or to dinner.

Italia, I think he''s total scum and that is strictly from stories and pictures. His attitude on the show that you are describing really doesn''t surpirse me. I''ve thought that Kate got the shaft in this entire thing.

I heard today that he is going to get a loft in NYC, I believe along the Hudson. Mid-life crisis would be spot on IMO. What I can''t stand is that he doesn''t even seem to care about the kids. People can trash Kate all they want, but at least she is still there.

Kate isn''t innocent...she''s been tough. But Jon has lost my total respect. He''s certianly going through something...

I get that. Has she not always been controlling, or has it gotten that much worse over the time of the show?

 

[musey]

Date: 6/22/2009 9:41:12 PM
Author: february2003bride

Date: 6/22/2009 9:37:24 PM
Author: chiapet
Is Jon wearing EARRINGS on BOTH ears??? He''s going through early midlife crisis.

Yes. Between the earrings, the sprots car, the girlfriend, he is absolutely having an early midlife crisis.

That was my thought as well.

I''ve never had a particular problem with Kate, never thought she could collect even half the "blame" for the downward spiral (for many reasons which are not all that important, just my own observations/take on it), but I think that any residual "shame on her" feelings melted away after this episode. His behavior, interview responses and general attitude were overall very disappointing/off-putting.

Of course, I''m sure at least some of that is a result of editing, they are continuing the show with Kate (in theory) so they need to paint him the villain in some ways, but still...

 

[Italiahaircolor]

Meresal, Kates general attitude has put a lot of people off. She was always "by the book" and would come down hard on Jon for things that many people would let it go.

I have found her "hard to watch" at times...over the top, maybe. But my feelings have shifted. If, behind the scenes, Jon has slowly been becoming who he is now, I can see why she would be a live wire. For some people puting on a happy face is easy, maybe for Kate -- she''s not able to "act" like everything is normal. Couple his behavior with rasing 8 kids...I think I''d be a mirror image of her.

His attitude tonight disgusted me. He was all full of shrugs and lazy answers..."my kids this" "my kids that"...where were his kids when he was playing around with that teacher? What then? He even said "I''m sad...but excited for this new chapter..I''m only 32". Well Jon, this is your life, my friend...32 or not, it''s forever--so man the f*** up.

My heart broke for Kate when she was talking about her feelings. She was very human tonight. She admitted to being scared and not wanting to do it alone. Sure part of it was the kids--maybe 95%--but she always spoke from her heart and it touched me.

 

[mayachel]

I feel like Kate is the only "Adult" in this relationship. She seems much more focused on the family unit, AND the kids and recognizes her role as the mother/wife. Where is the team work? Jon has totally checked out of reality. It doesn''t matter if he is 32 or 23 or 61. He has 8! kids! Just because he has decided to dissolve the marriage does NOT give him carte blanche to do whatever the heck he feels.

 

[Bia]

Seems to me likes he''s just had it with her, and now he''s puffing up his chest, using the momentum from the media attention to not seem weak anymore. That and happy to be 32 and single again.

She''s clearly sad, but she doesn''t seem to be despairing--just unsure of what''s to come.

I''m sad for the kids. Their lives are about to be drastically different. But they''ll all be okay as long as they keep it about family.

 

[Elmorton]

We recently ditched cable, so I''m not watching tonight...ugh, I was really hoping they were just getting counseling. Based on what everyone said, I''m really surprised by Jon. I got the idea that he was really the only parent at home when Kate was gone.

...Will he no longer be on the show then? Did the episode cover any of the basics of what''s going on with their "jobs"?

 

[lulu]

I think he''s a putz.

 

[Iowa Lizzy]

Date: 6/22/2009 10:16:04 PM
Author: Italiahaircolor
Meresal, Kates general attitude has put a lot of people off. She was always ''by the book'' and would come down hard on Jon for things that many people would let it go.


I have found her ''hard to watch'' at times...over the top, maybe. But my feelings have shifted. If, behind the scenes, Jon has slowly been becoming who he is now, I can see why she would be a live wire. For some people puting on a happy face is easy, maybe for Kate -- she''s not able to ''act'' like everything is normal. Couple his behavior with rasing 8 kids...I think I''d be a mirror image of her.


His attitude tonight disgusted me. He was all full of shrugs and lazy answers...''my kids this'' ''my kids that''...where were his kids when he was playing around with that teacher? What then? He even said ''I''m sad...but excited for this new chapter..I''m only 32''. Well Jon, this is your life, my friend...32 or not, it''s forever--so man the f*** up.


My heart broke for Kate when she was talking about her feelings. She was very human tonight. She admitted to being scared and not wanting to do it alone. Sure part of it was the kids--maybe 95%--but she always spoke from her heart and it touched me.

Ditto. Italia, sometimes I think you''re reading my mind.

Ugh, I was just so disappointed watching his interviews tonight. I think they''re both at fault, but it truly seems like she wants to work things out and he just wants to get away and have "fun." I''m just really depressed after watching that episode.

It''s just such a shame for those kids. I wonder if Jon and Kate have been to a marriage counselor. Sounded like he really wasn''t interested in trying to reconcile. Sad.

 

[Bia]

I was watching tonight, and the thing I kept thinking was, ''they are so removed.''

It makes me sad because I can''t imagine being so emotionally separated from my FI. I know, things happen, but still, it''s just so sad when you think they were once in love. Just thinking about him saying, ''I don''t hate Kate, but...'' Hearing that would KILL ME

I hope they pull through and are better parents for it.

 

[OUpearlgirl]

That was hard to watch. I felt bad for Kate and terrible for the kids.