Update: Jon & Kate

[luv2sparkle]

Does any one remember the beginning of the show when Jon said that after Kate had the babies she looked so disgusting he couldnt even look at her? That was
my moment of ''Oh I hate this guy''. To say that publicly is beyond bad taste and hurtful. I have often wondered if that was a hurt that Kate has carried with her
that added to the many other things that Jon was lacking in. I have heard it said that she criticized his monkey butt head, but maybe that was a factor.

I hate the Kate bashing too. I think she has done what she had to do. Anyone who is a mom of more that two small kids knows that you are in deep dodo if
you are not somewhat organized. So she is controlling, she had to be to survive. She has had so little support, no wonder she wasnt that interested in sex!
Personally, I think if Jon had been the kind of man he should have been some of their issues could have been worked out.

It makes me so mad, he is such a jerk who act like he is a victim.

 

[purselover]

Date: 6/23/2009 8:55:57 AM
Author: natalina
Add me to the list of people disgusted by Jon (earrings, sports car, etc- what a dork). Could NOT believe the ''I''m only 32'' and excited to get on with his life comment. The way he was talking about having gotten married so young, then having all the kids, etc was like ''oh, woe is me...I never got to be a kid myself.'' Give me a break. He CHOSE that life, whether pressured by Kate or not. It''s like, poor little baby, you have 8 beautiful healthy kids and more money that you could have imagined 10 years ago because of the decisions you made. Don''t act like you''ve been asleep for 10 years and just woke up to this life! So yeah, you put up with paparazzi and a lot of other crap, but it''s all a trade-off. He was just pathetic last night. So flippant and detached. I agree that Kate can be a bit much, but that''s no excuse for him to be acting the way he is. All I can say is, what a LOSER- and those poor kids. I am sure Kate will pull it together and take good care of the kids, because she''s a ''figure it out and make it work'' kind of person. But the kids will miss their dad, and that just sucks for them. And I do feel bad for Kate, too. She really seemed to be hurting and wanting to try to work things out, but Jon could not care less. I hope he gets a real shock when he really gets out in the dating pool. Seriously, you may only be 32 and you may have some cash- but you showed the entire world that you are a total a** who only cares about himself and who is obviously having a breakdown...oh yeah, sign me up for some of that

!

TOTALLY AGREE! The "excited" comment was beyond disgusting and unnecessary, wow I can''t imagine what his kids will think when they see that one day. That and he''s looking to rent an apartment in Trump Tower of all places?? Couldn''t some of the 5 figure monthly rent go towards his kids college fund? Trump Towers seems a bit ridiculous for a father of 8 it doesn''t seem like the most child friendly of places, what is he going to do rent the penthouse so all of his kids will have a place to sleep when they stay? When Kate said how he wouldn''t even talk to her about their problems, that''s just so sad! It doesn''t seem like he tried hard enough to save their marriage.


Ughhh just thinking about that episode again makes me so angry

 

[janinegirly]

I missed the episode but read up on it. I hate to say it but the show is entertaining and it''s easy to forget it''s real people involved! However, the kids will have a better life financially than they ever would possibly been able to dream of without this show.Not to mention I''m not sure how they would have even managed physically with 8 kids and no help (or just part-time help with their incomes). So I think we should acknowledgt the other side, which is the advantages they have had due to the media attention.

As for Jon..this is unfortunately very predictable! Beaten down husband gets lots of $$ and attention from women (due to show) and he''s suddenly adrenalized and wants to go out and live in NYC, go to red carpet events, and live it up! Seems like he''d like to drop the kids except for an episode here and there. His "fame" will dry up fast, but I''m afraid many men would be tempted by it all. And Kate''s not doing too shabby either..$, career, and lots of help with 8 little ones. I think the kids seem remarkably normal considering, and it''s great that they have each other at the very least...

 

[BeachRunner]

I was obviously not surprised with the outcome of the show. It sounded like the divorce was Jon''s idea, and he looks forward to starting his new life. What happens when the show does end, and Jon has no income from TLC any longer? Kate still has her books, appearances, etc...

poor kids.

 

[janinegirly]

I think them continuing the show was pretty telling. Basically "we want what''s best for our kids, you tabloids are ridiculous...but tune in next week!"

 

[asscherisme]

Date: 6/23/2009 9:49:55 AM
Author: luv2sparkle
Does any one remember the beginning of the show when Jon said that after Kate had the babies she looked so disgusting he couldnt even look at her? That was
my moment of ''Oh I hate this guy''. To say that publicly is beyond bad taste and hurtful. I have often wondered if that was a hurt that Kate has carried with her
that added to the many other things that Jon was lacking in. I have heard it said that she criticized his monkey butt head, but maybe that was a factor.

I hate the Kate bashing too. I think she has done what she had to do. Anyone who is a mom of more that two small kids knows that you are in deep dodo if
you are not somewhat organized. So she is controlling, she had to be to survive. She has had so little support, no wonder she wasnt that interested in sex!
Personally, I think if Jon had been the kind of man he should have been some of their issues could have been worked out.

It makes me so mad, he is such a jerk who act like he is a victim.

Ditto, ditto, ditto! I have 4 kids (3 with autism) and even when married, I did EVERYTHING on my own. I feel for Kate because at the end of my marriage, I''m sure if there were cameras in my home, I would appear to be overly controlling even a control freak to outsiders. Yet you ask my kids and they would tell you I''m loving and they tell me i''m the "best mommy in the world". The uphill battle of raising a lot of children with someone who is not fully on board is excruciating. Been there dont that. If I''m not organized, I''m in big trouble. I have alwasy thoght Kate got the raw deal on being critisized. And I bet most who put her down don''t have the experience of lots of kids and husbands who are not on board.

 

[asscherisme]

Date: 6/23/2009 10:30:13 AM
Author: BeachRunner
I was obviously not surprised with the outcome of the show. It sounded like the divorce was Jon''s idea, and he looks forward to starting his new life. What happens when the show does end, and Jon has no income from TLC any longer? Kate still has her books, appearances, etc...

poor kids.

Hopefully they were smart and set up college trust funds for the kids and put the rest of the money safely away. From what they have made, they should have enought of a cushion to pay for 8 college educations and support themselves until the kids are grown and beyond. But often when people are new to wealth and lots of money and can''t handle it and blow it. Think lottery winners vs old money. Hopefully they got some good advice and stored some of that money away.

 

[asscherisme]

Date: 6/23/2009 9:49:55 AM
Author: luv2sparkle
Does any one remember the beginning of the show when Jon said that after Kate had the babies she looked so disgusting he couldnt even look at her? That was
my moment of ''Oh I hate this guy''. To say that publicly is beyond bad taste and hurtful. I have often wondered if that was a hurt that Kate has carried with her
that added to the many other things that Jon was lacking in. I have heard it said that she criticized his monkey butt head, but maybe that was a factor.

I hate the Kate bashing too. I think she has done what she had to do. Anyone who is a mom of more that two small kids knows that you are in deep dodo if
you are not somewhat organized. So she is controlling, she had to be to survive. She has had so little support, no wonder she wasnt that interested in sex!
Personally, I think if Jon had been the kind of man he should have been some of their issues could have been worked out.

It makes me so mad, he is such a jerk who act like he is a victim.

Wow, what an awful thing to say about her. I missed that. He really said that? In what context? Thats a hard thing to get passed.

 

[Italiahaircolor]

Date: 6/23/2009 10:57:04 AM
Author: asscherisme

Date: 6/23/2009 9:49:55 AM
Author: luv2sparkle
Does any one remember the beginning of the show when Jon said that after Kate had the babies she looked so disgusting he couldnt even look at her? That was
my moment of ''Oh I hate this guy''. To say that publicly is beyond bad taste and hurtful. I have often wondered if that was a hurt that Kate has carried with her
that added to the many other things that Jon was lacking in. I have heard it said that she criticized his monkey butt head, but maybe that was a factor.

I hate the Kate bashing too. I think she has done what she had to do. Anyone who is a mom of more that two small kids knows that you are in deep dodo if
you are not somewhat organized. So she is controlling, she had to be to survive. She has had so little support, no wonder she wasnt that interested in sex!
Personally, I think if Jon had been the kind of man he should have been some of their issues could have been worked out.

It makes me so mad, he is such a jerk who act like he is a victim.

Wow, what an awful thing to say about her. I missed that. He really said that? In what context? Thats a hard thing to get passed.

Whoa...wow...now that casts a totally different light on things. If he said that, and I don''t believe he didn''t, its perfectly understand to me that she would harbor huge resentment. Kate is anything but disgusting. Personally, I think she''s rather attractive. Jon, frankly, isn''t a hottie.

 

[meresal]

Date: 6/23/2009 11:01:11 AM
Author: Italiahaircolor

Date: 6/23/2009 10:57:04 AM
Author: asscherisme

Date: 6/23/2009 9:49:55 AM
Author: luv2sparkle
Does any one remember the beginning of the show when Jon said that after Kate had the babies she looked so disgusting he couldnt even look at her? That was
my moment of ''Oh I hate this guy''. To say that publicly is beyond bad taste and hurtful. I have often wondered if that was a hurt that Kate has carried with her
that added to the many other things that Jon was lacking in. I have heard it said that she criticized his monkey butt head, but maybe that was a factor.

I hate the Kate bashing too. I think she has done what she had to do. Anyone who is a mom of more that two small kids knows that you are in deep dodo if
you are not somewhat organized. So she is controlling, she had to be to survive. She has had so little support, no wonder she wasnt that interested in sex!
Personally, I think if Jon had been the kind of man he should have been some of their issues could have been worked out.

It makes me so mad, he is such a jerk who act like he is a victim.

Wow, what an awful thing to say about her. I missed that. He really said that? In what context? Thats a hard thing to get passed.

Whoa...wow...now that casts a totally different light on things. If he said that, and I don''t believe he didn''t, its perfectly understand to me that she would harbor huge resentment. Kate is anything but disgusting. Personally, I think she''s rather attractive. Jon, frankly, isn''t a hottie.

Really?! Even with the earrings??

 

[princesss]

Date: 6/23/2009 11:06:05 AM
Author: meresal

Date: 6/23/2009 11:01:11 AM
Author: Italiahaircolor

Date: 6/23/2009 10:57:04 AM
Author: asscherisme

Date: 6/23/2009 9:49:55 AM
Author: luv2sparkle
Does any one remember the beginning of the show when Jon said that after Kate had the babies she looked so disgusting he couldnt even look at her? That was
my moment of ''Oh I hate this guy''. To say that publicly is beyond bad taste and hurtful. I have often wondered if that was a hurt that Kate has carried with her
that added to the many other things that Jon was lacking in. I have heard it said that she criticized his monkey butt head, but maybe that was a factor.

I hate the Kate bashing too. I think she has done what she had to do. Anyone who is a mom of more that two small kids knows that you are in deep dodo if
you are not somewhat organized. So she is controlling, she had to be to survive. She has had so little support, no wonder she wasnt that interested in sex!
Personally, I think if Jon had been the kind of man he should have been some of their issues could have been worked out.

It makes me so mad, he is such a jerk who act like he is a victim.

Wow, what an awful thing to say about her. I missed that. He really said that? In what context? Thats a hard thing to get passed.

Whoa...wow...now that casts a totally different light on things. If he said that, and I don''t believe he didn''t, its perfectly understand to me that she would harbor huge resentment. Kate is anything but disgusting. Personally, I think she''s rather attractive. Jon, frankly, isn''t a hottie.

Really?! Even with the earrings??

Without the earrings there''s nothing to pay attention to. Just....Jon. Obviously he''s got to have the sparklies.

I couldn''t watch last night, but now I''m curious to see it and how it was handled.

 

[asscherisme]

Date: 6/23/2009 11:06:05 AM
Author: meresal

Date: 6/23/2009 11:01:11 AM
Author: Italiahaircolor

Date: 6/23/2009 10:57:04 AM
Author: asscherisme

Date: 6/23/2009 9:49:55 AM
Author: luv2sparkle
Does any one remember the beginning of the show when Jon said that after Kate had the babies she looked so disgusting he couldnt even look at her? That was
my moment of ''Oh I hate this guy''. To say that publicly is beyond bad taste and hurtful. I have often wondered if that was a hurt that Kate has carried with her
that added to the many other things that Jon was lacking in. I have heard it said that she criticized his monkey butt head, but maybe that was a factor.

I hate the Kate bashing too. I think she has done what she had to do. Anyone who is a mom of more that two small kids knows that you are in deep dodo if
you are not somewhat organized. So she is controlling, she had to be to survive. She has had so little support, no wonder she wasnt that interested in sex!
Personally, I think if Jon had been the kind of man he should have been some of their issues could have been worked out.

It makes me so mad, he is such a jerk who act like he is a victim.

Wow, what an awful thing to say about her. I missed that. He really said that? In what context? Thats a hard thing to get passed.

Whoa...wow...now that casts a totally different light on things. If he said that, and I don''t believe he didn''t, its perfectly understand to me that she would harbor huge resentment. Kate is anything but disgusting. Personally, I think she''s rather attractive. Jon, frankly, isn''t a hottie.

Really?! Even with the earrings??

Well, now that you mention it, I did not him attractive, but those earrings are HOT!

(um, not so much, ewwww. early midlife crisis). He is really gross.

 

[tlh]

Date: 6/23/2009 11:01:11 AM
Author: Italiahaircolor

Date: 6/23/2009 10:57:04 AM
Author: asscherisme

Date: 6/23/2009 9:49:55 AM
Author: luv2sparkle
Does any one remember the beginning of the show when Jon said that after Kate had the babies she looked so disgusting he couldnt even look at her? That was
my moment of ''Oh I hate this guy''. To say that publicly is beyond bad taste and hurtful. I have often wondered if that was a hurt that Kate has carried with her
that added to the many other things that Jon was lacking in. I have heard it said that she criticized his monkey butt head, but maybe that was a factor.

I hate the Kate bashing too. I think she has done what she had to do. Anyone who is a mom of more that two small kids knows that you are in deep dodo if
you are not somewhat organized. So she is controlling, she had to be to survive. She has had so little support, no wonder she wasnt that interested in sex!
Personally, I think if Jon had been the kind of man he should have been some of their issues could have been worked out.

It makes me so mad, he is such a jerk who act like he is a victim.

Wow, what an awful thing to say about her. I missed that. He really said that? In what context? Thats a hard thing to get passed.

Whoa...wow...now that casts a totally different light on things. If he said that, and I don''t believe he didn''t, its perfectly understand to me that she would harbor huge resentment. Kate is anything but disgusting. Personally, I think she''s rather attractive. Jon, frankly, isn''t a hottie.

I don''t watch the show, but I''ve heard my friends (GUYS, not girls) comment on her huge belly and how gross and OMG FAT!!! she is. Now, these are single bachelors... NOT THE HUSBAND of a wife carrying their SIX CHILDREN. If he did say that, before during or after, on TV, TO HER, that is a horrible thing to do to a person. Really awful.

 

[Loves Vintage]

Count me in the Jon is terrible camp.

Kate said that she couldn''t even get him to talk to her about their issues. By all accounts, Jon is the one who left the marriage. Kate was still willing to work with him. However, he was unwilling to even talk with her about what was going on in his head, probably because he checked out of the marriage and just wanted to get out. So, in his mind, what was left to talk about? This is why the divorce rate is so high. A man like Jon can just walk away from a marriage and 8 beautiful children without actually trying to make it work. How could you not go to therapy and try to work through it? It is maddening to me.

Jon said he blames the paparazzi and that he didn''t choose his life, but other people made choices for him. OK, what a loser? If the paparazzi is really at fault, then uhm, maybe find a nice quiet apartment in rural PA that is close to your children and don''t look for media attention???? And, why continue the show? Yes, the contract, the contract. I''d like to read it. People breach contracts every day. If the show ruined your life, don''t continue it.

He also said something to the effect of -- who knows, someone might offer me a job? Doesn''t sound like he''s learned much from his experience. Still waiting for others to make choices for him. If he felt so bad about having given up his job two years ago, then he should be looking for a job right now, not looking for a way to gain media attention and capitalize on the failure of his marriage.

I too was taken aback by his comment that he was excited for the future, but I do have to think that the producers asked him a leading question, and he went with it. He doesn''t seem too bright so he probably fell for it. I do think the editing probably had a lot to do with him coming across as such a jerk.

 

[BeachRunner]

Date: 6/23/2009 11:12:22 AM
Author: tlh

Date: 6/23/2009 11:01:11 AM

Author: Italiahaircolor

Date: 6/23/2009 10:57:04 AM

Author: asscherisme

Date: 6/23/2009 9:49:55 AM

Author: luv2sparkle

Does any one remember the beginning of the show when Jon said that after Kate had the babies she looked so disgusting he couldnt even look at her? That was

my moment of ''Oh I hate this guy''. To say that publicly is beyond bad taste and hurtful. I have often wondered if that was a hurt that Kate has carried with her

that added to the many other things that Jon was lacking in. I have heard it said that she criticized his monkey butt head, but maybe that was a factor.


I hate the Kate bashing too. I think she has done what she had to do. Anyone who is a mom of more that two small kids knows that you are in deep dodo if

you are not somewhat organized. So she is controlling, she had to be to survive. She has had so little support, no wonder she wasnt that interested in sex!

Personally, I think if Jon had been the kind of man he should have been some of their issues could have been worked out.


It makes me so mad, he is such a jerk who act like he is a victim.

Wow, what an awful thing to say about her. I missed that. He really said that? In what context? Thats a hard thing to get passed.

Whoa...wow...now that casts a totally different light on things. If he said that, and I don''t believe he didn''t, its perfectly understand to me that she would harbor huge resentment. Kate is anything but disgusting. Personally, I think she''s rather attractive. Jon, frankly, isn''t a hottie.

I don''t watch the show, but I''ve heard my friends (GUYS, not girls) comment on her huge belly and how gross and OMG FAT!!! she is. Now, these are single bachelors... NOT THE HUSBAND of a wife carrying their SIX CHILDREN. If he did say that, before during or after, on TV, TO HER, that is a horrible thing to do to a person. Really awful.

Personally, I think Kate looks great! I know she had the tummy tuck, but the excess skin was out of her control; no exercise would have made that disappear.

Kate in her bathing suit (I''m sure most have seen this photo).

 

[asscherisme]

I think she looks amazing too. But she needs a new hairstyle. The tummy tuck I think of as more reconstructive rather than vanity. I would love to have a tummy tuck! I look fine in clothes but under there- boy is it a mess. And I had single births.

 

[Italiahaircolor]

Yeah, it was pretty bad before she had her tuck. They refered to it as "the butt in the front" on the show actually. But that''s a natural loosening of the abdominal muscles and skin during a pregnancy...many women who have had children or lost signifigant weight do have these muffin tops. But for her husband to say anything out of line about her body...I''d have shot him dead, I swear it. She probably already felt horrible...and da*m him for making her feel worse yet.

 

[lala2332]

i agree that Jon is the one causing 98% of the problems. If you look at the footage of when he asked her to marry him, she is acting exactly like she does now. She was questioning him 10 times if the recorder was on. Kate has always been Kate, she has always been bossy and in control. But someone had to be! Jon is too laid back and too go with the flow. Those kids would be hellions without the stricter Kate around. I think Jon destroyed the marriage by letting himself get to the point of no return. Kate can handle him saying stop fighting with and having an argument/discussion about it. But Jon couldn''t handle his feelings and bottled them all up and is now so angry that he is being irresponsible and a jerk.
I felt so bad for Kate last night with the crooked houses. Where she wanted them made 100% more sense and Jon wouldn''t listen and hung up on her! I think Kate is smart, she knows the show has provided so much for her family, that yes she got comfortable around the cameras because she had to. People always comment about how she is such a diva now, with her blond hair and tanning. Well, the only time she didn''t have blond hair was when she was pregnant and right after, which makes sense...aren''t you not supposed to dye your hair when pregnant and after wards they would be watching every penny. of course now that they can afford more, she is going to spend some more. I don''t think she is being extravagent. She has written 2 books and does guest appearances. She has worked hard for the right to have an expensive haircut and get a manicure.And i get so sick of the tabloids saying jon only got $5 a day, with 6 kids at home, he is lucky to have gotten that! money must have been so tight then.
The kids will be fine. They have parents who love them and they have each other, which is huge. and the family has the means to keep them in the same house, same school, ect...which is such a huge part of that stability network!

 

[asscherisme]

Date: 6/23/2009 11:33:04 AM
Author: lala2332
i agree that Jon is the one causing 98% of the problems. If you look at the footage of when he asked her to marry him, she is acting exactly like she does now. She was questioning him 10 times if the recorder was on. Kate has always been Kate, she has always been bossy and in control. But someone had to be! Jon is too laid back and too go with the flow. Those kids would be hellions without the stricter Kate around. I think Jon destroyed the marriage by letting himself get to the point of no return. Kate can handle him saying stop fighting with and having an argument/discussion about it. But Jon couldn''t handle his feelings and bottled them all up and is now so angry that he is being irresponsible and a jerk.
I felt so bad for Kate last night with the crooked houses. Where she wanted them made 100% more sense and Jon wouldn''t listen and hung up on her! I think Kate is smart, she knows the show has provided so much for her family, that yes she got comfortable around the cameras because she had to. People always comment about how she is such a diva now, with her blond hair and tanning. Well, the only time she didn''t have blond hair was when she was pregnant and right after, which makes sense...aren''t you not supposed to dye your hair when pregnant and after wards they would be watching every penny. of course now that they can afford more, she is going to spend some more. I don''t think she is being extravagent. She has written 2 books and does guest appearances. She has worked hard for the right to have an expensive haircut and get a manicure.And i get so sick of the tabloids saying jon only got $5 a day, with 6 kids at home, he is lucky to have gotten that! money must have been so tight then.
The kids will be fine. They have parents who love them and they have each other, which is huge. and the family has the means to keep them in the same house, same school, ect...which is such a huge part of that stability network!

Ditto. And to have her own brother talk to tabloids and TV? Thats awful . Regardless of her relatioship with her brother, thats just awful.

I saw that tape and thought the same thing. Kate is Kate and thats just who she is. And people putting her down becuase she gets manicures and pedicures? Please! I love getting pedicures. I don''t have much time, but I do sneak in a pedicure when my kids are in school or at camp. Nothing wrong with mom taking care of herself! I don''t like her hair, but she does take care of herself. And if she did not take care of herself people would put her down for being overweight and sloppy. Damned if you do and damned if you don''t.

I 100% think she is WAY smarter than Jon.

 

[Italiahaircolor]

It''s amazing how last night totally changed the tuned of 99% of people when it came to the Jon & Kate thing. People are absolutely mortified by Jon, horrified by his behavior...and mourning the loss of the marriage along side of Kate. Just amazing.

 

[CNOS128]

I''m betting Jon will be having one of those divorce parties to begin the "new chapter" in his life.

I never cared much for him...and I don''t think he''ll maintain his ''celebrity'' status after the divorce, when he''s off the show. I''m also interested to see how much time he will spend with the kids once he''s got his new bachelor pad and his new chapter. Hopefully he''ll still be around enough to provide them with an actual father figure.

 

[diamondsrock]

I did not watch the show last nite, and haven't watched many episodes in the past year or so. I did watch the birthday one recently, though.
Sorry, I agree Jon isn't acting mature, and is probaby having a mid-life crisis, but I couldn't watch Kate berate her husband anymore on national tv and feel uncomfortable every episode. That is why I chose not to watch. I kept thinking, when will he leave her? How much longer can he put up with this? Does she have no respect for him? Why are they even married?
Yes, someone needs to be in charge with that many kids, but there is only so much one person can take. She is a take charge person, he is not. He seems to me to not have changed much throughout the years, and to be honest he seemed pretty immature from the start, where to me she seems like a diva and is seems to be enjoying the celebrity status, money, etc...I believe that she will keep riding this gravy train.
I feel badly for the kids. They deserve a normal life away from the cameras. I think their parents were mis-matched from the start.

and regarding the water bottle episode last week, I don't think it would have been such a big deal, telling Mady she can't have a drink and to wait, if she didn't take a drink herself in front of her. I thought that was beyond rude. She should have waited with the rest of the kids until later.

 

[meresal]

Date: 6/23/2009 11:56:51 AM
Author: diamondsrock

and regarding the water bottle episode last week, I don't think it would have been such a big deal, telling Mady she can't have a drink and to wait, if she didn't take a drink herself in front of her. I thought that was beyond rude. She should have waited with the rest of the kids until later.

Now that someone brought this up, I have to comment.

I grew up in a house of 5 kids, and my parents had LOTS of things in front of us, that we couldn't have. Once you give one child something, they will all want it. I'm not a mother, but this is something I can definitely understand.

IMO, Kate is the one talking in the interview, she should be able to have some water. I have an issue with them only showing a 15 second clip. There is a reason they only showed Kate saying "No." and then taking a drink herself... because if they had shown the whole clip, I have a feeling there would be nothing to stew about. To be honest, when I saw that, just listening to the way Mady was talking, and looking at how she was acting, that could have been the 5th thing she asked for in the last 5 minutes. Heck, maybe Kate had just giver her some water and she just wanted more. We have no idea. I just can't blame a mom for not giving one daughter something that she didn't have time to give everyone else.

 

[MichelleCarmen]

I''ve never watched the show. . .

Question: was there problems with their marriage before the show began or did all the fame, etc., create more marital problems than can be solved?

 

[atroop711]

Date: 6/23/2009 12:42:46 PM
Author: meresal

Date: 6/23/2009 11:56:51 AM

Author: diamondsrock


and regarding the water bottle episode last week, I don''t think it would have been such a big deal, telling Mady she can''t have a drink and to wait, if she didn''t take a drink herself in front of her. I thought that was beyond rude. She should have waited with the rest of the kids until later.

Now that someone brought this up, I have to comment.


I grew up in a house of 5 kids, and my parents had LOTS of things in front of us, that we couldn''t have. Once you give one child something, they will all want it. I''m not a mother, but this is something I can definitely understand.


IMO, Kate is the one talking in the interview, she should be able to have some water. I have an issue with them only showing a 15 second clip. There is a reason they only showed Kate saying ''No.'' and then taking a drink herself... because if they had shown the whole clip, I have a feeling there would be nothing to stew about. To be honest, when I saw that, just listening to the way Mady was talking, and looking at how she was acting, that could have been the 5th thing she asked for in the last 5 minutes. Heck, maybe Kate had just giver her some water and she just wanted more. We have no idea. I just can''t blame a mom for not giving one daughter something that she didn''t have time to give everyone else.

I didn''t see last weeks episode either but as a mom of 3 kids...I know that there are times when my kids ask me for something like a drink or a snack and I will say no...but there is always a reason for it. Maybe there was more to the story as you just said. I know I can offer my kids things and they say no but they have a habit of waiting until I''m busy to ask for it...or if they don''t ask nicely then I will say no or they have to wait. GOd only knows what was left in the editing room

 

[TravelingGal]

Date: 6/23/2009 11:24:55 AM
Author: BeachRunner


Personally, I think Kate looks great! I know she had the tummy tuck, but the excess skin was out of her control; no exercise would have made that disappear.

Kate in her bathing suit (I''m sure most have seen this photo).

That''s it, I''m getting a tummy tuck! I don''t live far from beverly hills, so I should do this!

However...

Is it me, or is her belly button sort of high?

 

[diamondsrock]

I agree there may be more to that video clip than we saw. Who knows.
I understand how sometimes parents have things children can''t. I''m not going to give my kid a glass of wine just because I have one. But to deny your child WATER and then drink it in front of them, is the equivalent of having them say they''re hungry, denying them food, and then chowing down on a sandwich in front of them. I don''t see any situation where that is ok with me.
Everyone should have waited until the interview was over, including Kate, in my opinion.

 

[mrssalvo]

Date: 6/23/2009 12:43:50 PM
Author: MC


Question: was there problems with their marriage before the show began or did all the fame, etc., create more marital problems than can be solved?

MC, my guess is that there were problems b/f the show, they just became more apparent and I''m sure the constant camera''s and fame and fortune didn''t help.

I watched it a lot a couple of years ago but then stopped b/c my life is just too busy, plus I have to listen to my own kids all day long and don''t want to waste and hour of free time watching some other kids argue..etc. the whole thing makes me really sad though. I always thought Jon was passive and weak and not strong enough for a woman like Kate. She''s controlling by nature and the less he did the more she took over. I did watch last night and Jon came across as a total Jerk to me. I know Kate has equal blame in the failed marriage but his attitude was awful. I read today that is was actually Kate who filed the papers yesterday. I think she would have worked on the marriage if Jon would have been willing and honestly he needs to grow up and get over the mid-life crisis. They said the show is stopping production until Aug. in order to give the family some space and figure out exactly what they are going to do/film etc. I won''t be watching though...

 

[mrssalvo]

Date: 6/23/2009 12:59:49 PM
Author: diamondsrock
I agree there may be more to that video clip than we saw. Who knows.

I understand how sometimes parents have things children can''t. I''m not going to give my kid a glass of wine just because I have one. But to deny your child WATER and then drink it in front of them, is the equivalent of having them say they''re hungry, denying them food, and then chowing down on a sandwich in front of them. I don''t see any situation where that is ok with me.

Everyone should have waited until the interview was over, including Kate, in my opinion.

I commented on this in the other thread. they were getting ready to go on air where Kate would be talking. I see nothing wrong with her taking a sip and making the kids wait what was only a few minutes. passing the bottle could have lead to 8 meltdowns and/or spills right b/f going on t.v. I just don''t think what she did was a big deal at all. I have denied my kids a drink right b/f we were getting professional family pictures done b/c I didn''t want a spill. My kids got it 3 minutes later and had as much as they wanted. Jon and Kate''s kids are not dehydrated or going to parish having to wait a few more minutes. But, that''s my opinion.

 

[atroop711]

Date: 6/23/2009 12:59:49 PM
Author: diamondsrock
I agree there may be more to that video clip than we saw. Who knows.

I understand how sometimes parents have things children can''t. I''m not going to give my kid a glass of wine just because I have one. But to deny your child WATER and then drink it in front of them, is the equivalent of having them say they''re hungry, denying them food, and then chowing down on a sandwich in front of them. I don''t see any situation where that is ok with me.

Everyone should have waited until the interview was over, including Kate, in my opinion.

I guess you would find me wrong when I haven''t eaten all morning (3 kids have been fed breakfast and late morning fruit) and I''m finally able to stuff some food in me at around 11am for the first time for that day....it always seems that when I''m shaking from hunger, my kids (who have been fed) come and say I''M HUNGRY..for a snack mostly. You know what I tell them? I tell them NO..they have to wait until I finish eating. I tell them they have eaten and mommy has to eat. YES I chow down on whatever is in my hand. They need to know that they can ask for something but also have to be prepared to wait for whatever they want. It won''t always be this instant gratification in my home.