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I am posting in regards to my experience with Cooper Jewelers Inc. in Warren, New Jersey 07059. Maybe some will have experience working with this business. However, I am also interested in general advice.

I bought a GIA certed stone (1.37 ct, H, SI1, round brilliance) from another company and decided to have Cooper design an engagement setting for my fiancee. The original engagement setting took about a week longer than they told me it would (not a big deal) but it also had a few flaws. I think they may have rushed (once they were past their original deadline) just to get it to me because I needed it for the engagement weekend that was coming up. The design was 3/4 pave on the top and sides going all the way up to the prong. It did look beautiful, however one of the pave stones on one of the prongs was clearly (visible without a loupe) set out of place. There should have been two stones set in the space but instead there was only one centered in the space. Also, one of the prongs was noticeably shorter than the others, and when you really examined the stone (again without a loupe), you could tell it wasn't perfectly centered. The woman in charge told me that it would not be a problem to fix. My fiancee and I were engaged in May of 2009 and she decided she wanted to wear her ring for a while before getting it fixed. So, in mid-December (2009) we took the engagement setting back to repaired and to have a matching band made. Both were supposed to be done the first week of February, but it is now March and they still haven't even started to fix the engagement ring despite our calling once a week since then. I think the wedding band is finished however they flip-flopped their story whether it was done. The head of the store made a bunch of excuses about it being the Chinese New Year and the shops were closed for so long and a bunch of "other silly excuses" (her words not mine). My fiancee is getting annoyed that she has to wait so long, however my only concern is that the repair gets done properly. Therefore I have tried to be as cordial as possible so that they still think I am very satisfied and there is still some incentive for them to keep me pleased and not to screw up further. They said it should be done by this weekend, however I am worried that they are going to rush and just screw it up worse. I can only imagine how difficult it is to repair these things. Also, what is the likelihood that they could damage the diamond in the resetting process? I heard that RB's are unlikely to be chipped but I do remember hearing that it is possible to burn them with the setting torch. I want to know what to check for so that I am prepared when I go up there and examine it. As you can tell I am very nervous that something will go wrong.

I am curious as to what people think of these events. Is this evidence of a very unprofessional jeweler or are these problems common in the business.
 
just curious as to why you went ahead and had them make the matching wedding band if you were not happy with the quality of the engagement ring?

anyway, no, it''s not normal for an in shop repair to take as long as you are saying. Almost every jewelry store I go into show me their designer settings but then go on to say they have someone who can custom make it for much less. I think this is common. However, pave rings have to be made by very skilled benchman or they will have the problems you ring has. Not everyone is good at custom and it''s important to research who the best are. Mistakes do happen though and I really hope the folks who made your ring get it done quickly and correctly for you. I would probably go in person requesting to see your ring to see if any progress has been made. If not, then it''s up to you if you want to wait longer or ask for a refund etc.
 
Date: 3/2/2010 1:07:20 PM
Author: mrssalvo
just curious as to why you went ahead and had them make the matching wedding band if you were not happy with the quality of the engagement ring?

anyway, no, it''s not normal for an in shop repair to take as long as you are saying. Almost every jewelry store I go into show me their designer settings but then go on to say they have someone who can custom make it for much less. I think this is common. However, pave rings have to be made by very skilled benchman or they will have the problems you ring has. Not everyone is good at custom and it''s important to research who the best are. Mistakes do happen though and I really hope the folks who made your ring get it done quickly and correctly for you. I would probably go in person requesting to see your ring to see if any progress has been made. If not, then it''s up to you if you want to wait longer or ask for a refund etc.

Well said, I would just like to expand on the statement by saying that pave is definitely a specialty class and not everybody can do it and fewer can do it well.
 
Date: 3/2/2010 1:07:20 PM
Author: mrssalvo
just curious as to why you went ahead and had them make the matching wedding band if you were not happy with the quality of the engagement ring?

Well, I guess at the time I figured they would fix it and everything would be fine. My concern now really stems from the recent events which give me the impression that they don't entirely have their act together. Also, I figured they would do a better job matching the wedding band to the engagement ring. But now that I think about it, this probably isn't much of an issue.

Date: 3/2/2010 1:07:20 PM
Author: mrssalvo
anyway, no, it's not normal for an in shop repair to take as long as you are saying. Almost every jewelry store I go into show me their designer settings but then go on to say they have someone who can custom make it for much less. I think this is common. However, pave rings have to be made by very skilled benchman or they will have the problems you ring has. Not everyone is good at custom and it's important to research who the best are. Mistakes do happen though and I really hope the folks who made your ring get it done quickly and correctly for you. I would probably go in person requesting to see your ring to see if any progress has been made. If not, then it's up to you if you want to wait longer or ask for a refund etc.

The owner has a workshop in New York that she sends her work to. That could be part of the reason why it is taking so long. But I think it's also just mismanagement and the fact that she was out of the country for a little while.

Date: 3/2/2010 1:07:20 PM
Mistakes do happen though and I really hope the folks who made your ring get it done quickly and correctly for you.

Would you say that such mistakes strongly indicate that the shop isn't very skilled? I mean they screwed up the setting of the diamond (prongs are messed up), this seems like one of the simpler things to do. However, on the plus side, the rest of the pave looks great and none of the stones have fallen out in 10 months (I have put it in the ultrasonic bath often).

Well said, I would just like to expand on the statement by saying that pave is definitely a specialty class and not everybody can do it and fewer can do it well.

Well, let's say everything looks fine when I get it back. I guess the only problem would be that the stones might fall out over time. Could I just take it to a more skilled jeweler at that time to fix the "weak links?"
 
I would say they aren''t very detailed oriented if they put in 1 stone instead of 2.
 
Someone else can fix it if you want, but they should do it. I would probably get the wb elsewhere.

I assume it is insured? That covers any damage.
 
Author: CharmyPoo
I would say they aren''t very detailed oriented if they put in 1 stone instead of 2.
Well in fairness, it was very subtle. Maybe I misused the terminology, it is actually micropave. Also, the diamond being slightly off center is probably only noticeable because there is a V-shaped bridge between the prongs to reference. Not something you would ever notice unless you really looked hard. This is why I wasn''t terribly upset with them when I received it. I actually had half a mind to just keep it as is, but they agreed to fix it. My biggest concern is that they will mess it up even worse . In fact I told the owner not to do anything with it unless they were sure they wouldn''t mess it up worse. I don''t know if these are routine fixes or if each additional modification leaves with you a slightly more distorted version of the original molded structure. Now I am starting to contemplate the possibility that they could damage the diamond itself with all the resetting. From what I have read, the biggest risk is chipping the edges, and this is minimal with RB. Can anyone weigh in with person experience on the likelihood of damage. How routine is it to reset a diamond?




Author: Dreamer
Someone else can fix it if you want, but they should do it. I would probably get the wb elsewhere.

I assume it is insured? That covers any damage.

Yes, it is insured through my renters insurance (USAA). But I can''t imagine the hassle of going through claim process and making sure I am equally happy with the replacement.



Author: Todd Gray
Well said, I would just like to expand on the statement by saying that pave is definitely a specialty class and not everybody can do it and fewer can do it well.

I tend to be overly OCD about things but I made it a point when I was first researching to fight my urges and shoot for "eye-clean." The overall ring that we received was definitely "eye clean." It looked great and has gotten tons of compliments. The repairs really are to shoot for “mind clean.” I guess I really just wanted to hear people weigh in on whether I am being too picky and worrisome (that such mistakes are normal and easily corrected) or if it indicates that they are significantly unskilled and could screw up the diamond and setting worse.

Do you think I could use their delay as a grounds for a significant discount on the band?


Thanks for all the responses so far. I really appreciate the invaluable feedback.
 
I just wanted to give everyone who was kind enough to give their input an update on what eventually happened. We went up to get the engagement ring and the band yesterday and everything turned out fine. They fixed all of the issues on the engagement ring. I inspected the diamond and it was perfectly intact and mounted properly. The only problem I could find was that when viewed from above, the prongs on one side where slightly closer together than on the other, but this was not a big deal and my fiancée wasn''t bothered by it at all. The wedding band looked beautiful and there wasn’t a single problem with it. The owner felt so bad about all of the confusion and the delays that she ended up taking $500 (25%) off the price of the band. I can definitely say that I am satisfied with the overall experience and I would do business with the owner again.
 
Wonderful news! I am happy that everything turned out great.
 
That is great!

{edit because I noticed you told us the company in the first post}
 
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