Trump Wants To Cut Money For Covid19 Testing

[AGBF]

So...Trump wants to cut the money Congress planned to allocate for covid19 testing, that testing that all the experts have been saying is key to checking the pandemic. He wants to spend it on opening schools and making sure that businesses are insured for liability in case they are sued by employees who catch coronavirus if they are brought back on the job when the business reopens.
In short, he wants to reopen schools and businesses and doesn't care who is sick and dying,

Well, he said he wanted to stop testing because it made him look bad.


"Coronavirus Live Updates: White House Looks to Cut Billions From Plan to Shore Up Testing"

Despite Masks’ Proven Value, Some U.S. Leaders Avoid Mandates (Published 2020)

Health workers assigned to care for Brazil’s Indigenous people have exposed remote communities to the virus. Some Republican leaders are starting to distance themselves from President Trump’s handling of the pandemic.

www.nytimes.com

 

[Demon]

Of course he does. If there's no testing, there's no cases. It's like magic - it will disappear overnight!

 

[Matata]

We don't need testing for something that doesn't exist. Fake news. Lie perpetuated by violent anarchist far left libtards in an effort to hurt agent orange's re-election. Nobody died from covid-19, CGI used to create fake bodies. All doctors and nurses shown on TV are paid violent anarchist far left libtard actors. The whole covid thing is being played out on a movie set hidden somewhere in the Pacific Northwest.

(My bad mood followed me into today and the sarcasm freely flows.)

 

[Musia]

Labs across the US are giving false positive results. In FL some labs reported 100% positive. You can check this person's page on FB and read comments people are writing about the problem. I don't think it is the reason why Trump wants to "defund testing" and I don't trust NYTimes with what they say about Trump. Labs are reporting wrong numbers. Do we need to know the truth or we need more and more cases in order to keep economy shut and people panicking?

 

[Matata]

Do we need to know the truth or we need more and more cases in order to keep economy shut and people panicking?

What truth? Whose truth? And what, pray tell, would be the reason for keeping the economy shut and people panicking? And who is doing such an awful thing? What do you think would be gained, and who gains, by making an entire country suffer economic devastation?

The CDC reports that 45+ MILLION covid tests have been done. There are bound to be errors. Health care personnel and labs are overwhelmed. Mistakes happen.

FB is rife with trolls spreading false information which the naive and gullible believe.

 

[OboeGal]

Labs across the US are giving false positive results. In FL some labs reported 100% positive. You can check this person's page on FB and read comments people are writing about the problem. I don't think it is the reason why Trump wants to "defund testing" and I don't trust NYTimes with what they say about Trump. Labs are reporting wrong numbers. Do we need to know the truth or we need more and more cases in order to keep economy shut and people panicking?

There is absolutely no reliable information on Facebook posts. Anybody can say absolutely anything, and they do, and it's never backed up with an actual citation to real research or a remotely reliable source. At best, the "citations" are to some backwards, outrageously partisan website somewhere. You repeatedly post these; they are evidence of nothing, they don't advance the discourse here or any kind of understanding of each other here. I really, really, really wish you would stop.

 

[Maria D]

Labs across the US are giving false positive results. In FL some labs reported 100% positive. You can check this person's page on FB and read comments people are writing about the problem. I don't think it is the reason why Trump wants to "defund testing" and I don't trust NYTimes with what they say about Trump. Labs are reporting wrong numbers. Do we need to know the truth or we need more and more cases in order to keep economy shut and people panicking?

I'm wondering if you are highly gullible and do not realize that there are coordinated misinformation campaigns on social media, or if you are actually quite savvy and attempting to start your own misinformation campaign on Pricescope.

I asked you a specific question a few days ago that you didn't answer. It was about medical professionals in your family believing that COVID19 illness is overblown and "acting accordingly." That is stunning news. If it isn't part of your misinformation campaign, what is it?

 

[kenny]

He's so smart.
If you test a lot you find more cases, and that makes him look bad as a candidate.

It's all about him making America look great again.

 

[Musia]

There is absolutely no reliable information on Facebook posts.

There are real people on FB, somebody's real family members, real political figures, just like Nancy Pelosi https://www.facebook.com/pelosiforcongress/ or late John Lewis https://www.facebook.com/RepJohnLewis/ or civil right movements like BLM https://www.facebook.com/BlackLivesMatter/ There are real people on PS and real people and organizations on FB. Usually FB verifies a real person or organization with blue mark.

 

[Maria D]

There are real people on FB, somebody's real family members, real political figures, just like Nancy Pelosi https://www.facebook.com/pelosiforcongress/ or late John Lewis https://www.facebook.com/RepJohnLewis/ or civil right movements like BLM https://www.facebook.com/BlackLivesMatter/ There are real people on PS and real people and organizations on FB. Usually FB verifies a real person or organization with blue mark.

What has that got to do with the b.s. post you just sullied this place with?

 

[Musia]

If you test a lot you find more cases, and that makes him look bad as a candidate.

If labs report false positive cases, then the number or "infected people" is high, and states are starting going back to closing businesses and keeping people inside their homes. Dining inside is now prohibited again, hair saloons were opened for only 2 days and my daughter spent several hours waiting in line for a haircut. And I even don't know whether Trump indeed wants to cut money for testing or not. The number of cases is up but the % of deaths from Covid is down.

 

[Maria D]

If labs report false positive cases, then the number or "infected people" is high, and states are starting going back to closing businesses and keeping people inside their homes. Dining inside is now prohibited again, hair saloons were open for only 2 days and my daughter spent several hours waiting in line for haircut at. And I even don't know whether Trump indeed wants to cut money for testing or not. The number of cases is up but the % of deaths from Covid is down.

Are the false positive cases the ones that have taken up every last ICU bed in 49 Florida hospitals?

https://www.newsweek.com/third-flor...-10-icu-beds-left-amid-covid-19-surge-1518223

 

[seaurchin]

Speaking of, has anyone else read Trump's niece's new book? She has a unique perspective on his, er, "unusualness," as both a family member and a psychologist.

 

[seaurchin]

If labs report false positive cases, then the number or "infected people" is high, and states are starting going back to closing businesses and keeping people inside their homes. Dining inside is now prohibited again, hair saloons were open for only 2 days and my daughter spent several hours waiting in line for haircut at. And I even don't know whether Trump indeed wants to cut money for testing or not. The number of cases is up but the % of deaths from Covid is down.

With all due respect, they are right that you are posting a lot of misinformation as fact. For just one example, there is no logical reason deaths would actually be down when cases are up, as there is still no vaccination or treatment.

However, that could easily be a twisted fact (presented to try to minimize the debacle our president's lack of action and ignoring the scientists has created). The rise in deaths naturally DOESN'T occur until a couple of weeks after a rise in cases. However, that is not nearly the same as what it's been presented as. That is called "spin." I'd encourage you to reconsider who or what you're trusting as news. JMHO.

 

[Demon]

There are real people on FB, somebody's real family members, real political figures, just like Nancy Pelosi https://www.facebook.com/pelosiforcongress/ or late John Lewis https://www.facebook.com/RepJohnLewis/ or civil right movements like BLM https://www.facebook.com/BlackLivesMatter/ There are real people on PS and real people and organizations on FB. Usually FB verifies a real person or organization with blue mark.

Being a real person on facebook does not mean that you don't have an agenda. Or that you don't believe in conspiracies. Or that you keep up with what's going on in the world. There are people on facebook that are sane. There are people that aren't. Because someone says a dear friend has a relative that says such and such and that their dear friend would not lie, are we supposed to just accept that?

 

[Demon]

Speaking of, has anyone else read Trump's niece's new book? She has a unique perspective on his, er, "unusualness," as both a family member and a psychologist.

I haven't read it but I watched the interviews with George S (I'm not even attempting to spell it without looking it up, lol) and Rachael Maddow. I would like to read it at some point.

 

[seaurchin]

The problem is we've been plagued with an unprecedented amount of (easily disproven) self-serving, sociopathic lies, smokescreens, diversion tactics, low blows, chaos and propaganda from our president. Many people either believe our president and his propaganda outlet, Fox "news," or just do not know who or what to believe anymore.

I think it's important for us all to help people realize they're being tricked so we can vote the dangerous lunatic out off office before he destroys our democracy for good.

However, it's all gotten so dire that I have a hard time being nice about it anymore, especially when these tend to be people who just, honestly, don't always have very good critical thinking skills and stubbornly insist that they already know what's going on when they obviously do not.

They know not what they do, sigh. Three and a half more months until the election and then we shall see what comes next...

 

[Musia]

I'm wondering if you are highly gullible and do not realize that there are coordinated misinformation campaigns on social media, or if you are actually quite savvy and attempting to start your own misinformation campaign on Pricescope.

I asked you a specific question a few days ago that you didn't answer. It was about medical professionals in your family believing that COVID19 illness is overblown and "acting accordingly." That is stunning news. If it isn't part of your misinformation campaign, what is it?

Sorry, I missed the question. My family members who are medical professionals are not hiding inside their homes, they do shopping, we have a family times together, no masks. SIL's family spends happy times together too. His mother who votes Blue visited him and his family as well as her daughter's family in June, she lives in Spokane, WA. She is breast cancer survival, she has a mild asthma and she is 63. DIL doesn't work for hospital, she is in a research and development of new drugs. Does shopping, meets her girlfriends who are also pharmacists, brings her daughter to the nearest park and allows her to play with some other children. Is this information also a part of my misinformation campaign? I hope I answered your question.

 

[seaurchin]

No, no, no, Musia. You are not right; you are WRONG. Not wearing masks and going out is WHAT IS KEEPING THE PANDEMIC GOING AND CAUSING MORE CASES AND DEATHS. That is how it works. End of story.

Please stop talking. You have no idea what you are talking about and you are spreading dangerous misinformation. You appear not to even understand the difference between logical, established scientific facts and personal anecdotes.

Keep in mind that 100% of people who keep up this ridiculous argument (a self-serving, sociopathic lie that comes from our "president" by the way) that Covid-19 is no big deal stop it abruptly when one of their family members dies from it. Please do not let that be you. Enough.

 

[Maria D]

Sorry, I missed the question. My family members who are medical professionals are not hiding inside their homes, they do shopping, we have a family times together, no masks. SIL's family spends happy times together too. His mother who votes Blue visited him and his family as well as her daughter's family in June, she lives in Spokane, WA. She is breast cancer survival, she has a mild asthma and she is 63. DIL doesn't work for hospital, she is in a research and development of new drugs. Does shopping, meets her girlfriends who are also pharmacists, brings her daughter to the nearest park and allows her to play with some other children. Is this information also a part of my misinformation campaign? I hope I answered your question.

You also missed my question asking if the false positives are taking up all the ICU beds in Florida.

I am not hiding inside my home either, far from it, but I certainly do wear a mask when shopping.

If you have family members that are going to public enclosed places without wearing masks or taking their children to play in parks with people they don't know, then you have family members who are selfish, stupid or both. It doesn't matter if they are medical professionals, cancer survivors or vote blue. You have shown an agenda on this board and that is to minimize the fact that we are living through a pandemic. If you are not an outright troll you are behaving like one.

 

[seaurchin]

If anyone needs me, I'll just be over here slamming my head into the wall. It feels great compared to trying to talk sense to Trumpists. The good news is, many, many, many of them ARE finally catching on and things are looking good for a better 2021. Fingers crossed!

 

[AGBF]

If anyone needs me, I'll just be over here slamming my head into the wall. It feels great compared to trying to talk sense to Trumpists. The good news is, many, many, many of them ARE finally catching on and things are looking good for a better 2021. Fingers crossed!

I will join you if you tell me where you plan to do your head slamming.

Deb

 

[MaisOuiMadame]

The problem is in the big picture is more the false negatives, it's known that - depending on the test method - about 30% of the negatives are false negatives.

Regarding anecdotal stories on FB: the plural of anecdote is not data.

If labs report false positive cases, then the number or "infected people" is high, and states are starting going back to closing businesses and keeping people inside their homes. Dining inside is now prohibited again, hair saloons were opened for only 2 days and my daughter spent several hours waiting in line for a haircut. And I even don't know whether Trump indeed wants to cut money for testing or not. The number of cases is up but the % of deaths from Covid is down.

 

[seaurchin]

I agree with kipari. And whether there are some false positives or some false negatives does not change the fact that Covid-19 is a very serious danger anyway.

Here is an ongoing count of cases from Johns Hopkins hospital. That's about as solid a source as you can get. Anyone who thinks Covid-19 is not real, not serious, and not increasing rapidly and extremely dangerously, has fallen prey to sick, self-serving, sociopathic lies from our current president. We really need to take back our country ASAP before he destroys us completely, and that's true no matter who you are.

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[lovedogs]

Anecdotes and opinions are not science, nor are they facts. You seem confused about random stories and people's opinions compared to science. If your family members are going shopping without masks and having gatherings with people outside of their family, they are contributing to the spread of covid. Period.

 

[lovedogs]

Ps. Where I live, ICU beds are about 95% full (at least the last time I checked). If anyone thinks this is fake, they are either confused or have an agenda of misinformation.

 

[Matata]

The number of cases is up but the % of deaths from Covid is down.

You're wrong. Deaths are rising as well as cases. Fatality numbers lag behind case numbers because it typically takes 2-3 weeks after diagnosis for people to die.

 

[chemgirl]

Sorry, I missed the question. My family members who are medical professionals are not hiding inside their homes, they do shopping, we have a family times together, no masks. SIL's family spends happy times together too. His mother who votes Blue visited him and his family as well as her daughter's family in June, she lives in Spokane, WA. She is breast cancer survival, she has a mild asthma and she is 63. DIL doesn't work for hospital, she is in a research and development of new drugs. Does shopping, meets her girlfriends who are also pharmacists, brings her daughter to the nearest park and allows her to play with some other children. Is this information also a part of my misinformation campaign? I hope I answered your question.

Ok so your family are health professionals and also reckless. They can choose to flout WHO and CDC recommendations. It doesn’t mean they are correct in doing so.

I also have a few doctors in my family, one works in a COVID unit. We don’t even have many cases here and they all advocate to wear masks and social distance. A family friend is a world renowned virologist and she thinks this fall is going to be a bloodbath.

Just thought I’d add my own anecdotes since apparently we’re sharing.

 

[Musia]

Just thought I’d add my own anecdotes since apparently we’re sharing.

I always like to read other real people's stories. Thank you for sharing.

 

[Alexiszoe]

I have been on the political threads on and off, and, in defence of @Musia , she has been open to discussion and willing to admit that something she posts is incorrect when someone else points it out to her, as well as a willingness to learn more. I do not think she posts the inaccurate twitter/fb posts in a bid to inflame the forum, but simply because she's been misinformed.

I say this because in some ways she reminds me so much of my mother - grew up and left an authoritarian regime and a similar willingness to learn. Her friends group have this information bubble where they share unsubstantiated theories and fb anecdotes from individuals which they think to be true, because discerning fact from opinion simply wasn't taught in schools back then (and still isn't taught at most universities for that matter). I didn't realize this until I had a frank discussion with her.

@Musia , I sincerely believe you have the best of intentions, and post what you post in an attempt to showcase a different side of the story. I do think it would be beneficial to research deeper into understanding fact versus opinion and make informed judgments for yourself. This article is rather helpful.