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Dee*Jay|1485831039|4122125 said:Of course he did.
ruby59|1485831229|4122130 said:Agree with him or not, Trump was her boss.
How long would you last in your job if you did this?
VRBeauty|1485831458|4122134 said:ruby59|1485831229|4122130 said:Agree with him or not, Trump was her boss.
How long would you last in your job if you did this?
We are her bosses - she had sworn to uphold the law and the constitution.
That said, and Acting AG is an appointed position and probably serves at the will of the Prezident, so she was no doubt aware that she'd probably be fired when she issued her memo.
Dee*Jay|1485831612|4122135 said:VRBeauty|1485831458|4122134 said:ruby59|1485831229|4122130 said:Agree with him or not, Trump was her boss.
How long would you last in your job if you did this?
We are her bosses - she had sworn to uphold the law and the constitution.
That said, and Acting AG is an appointed position and probably serves at the will of the Prezident, so she was no doubt aware that she'd probably be fired when she issued her memo.
And good for her for doing the right thing anyway. I have tremendous respect for that.
VRBeauty|1485831458|4122134 said:ruby59|1485831229|4122130 said:Agree with him or not, Trump was her boss.
How long would you last in your job if you did this?
We are her bosses - she had sworn to uphold the law and the constitution.
That said, and Acting AG is an appointed position and probably serves at the will of the Prezident, so she was no doubt aware that she'd probably be fired when she issued her memo.
lovedogs|1485831986|4122137 said:Dee*Jay|1485831612|4122135 said:VRBeauty|1485831458|4122134 said:ruby59|1485831229|4122130 said:Agree with him or not, Trump was her boss.
How long would you last in your job if you did this?
We are her bosses - she had sworn to uphold the law and the constitution.
That said, and Acting AG is an appointed position and probably serves at the will of the Prezident, so she was no doubt aware that she'd probably be fired when she issued her memo.
And good for her for doing the right thing anyway. I have tremendous respect for that.
Agreed.
ruby59|1485833644|4122147 said:lovedogs|1485831986|4122137 said:Dee*Jay|1485831612|4122135 said:VRBeauty|1485831458|4122134 said:ruby59|1485831229|4122130 said:Agree with him or not, Trump was her boss.
How long would you last in your job if you did this?
We are her bosses - she had sworn to uphold the law and the constitution.
That said, and Acting AG is an appointed position and probably serves at the will of the Prezident, so she was no doubt aware that she'd probably be fired when she issued her memo.
And good for her for doing the right thing anyway. I have tremendous respect for that.
Agreed.
If she knew she could not comply with his orders, why not just resign?
lovedogs|1485834193|4122151 said:ruby59|1485833644|4122147 said:lovedogs|1485831986|4122137 said:Dee*Jay|1485831612|4122135 said:VRBeauty|1485831458|4122134 said:ruby59|1485831229|4122130 said:Agree with him or not, Trump was her boss.
How long would you last in your job if you did this?
We are her bosses - she had sworn to uphold the law and the constitution.
That said, and Acting AG is an appointed position and probably serves at the will of the Prezident, so she was no doubt aware that she'd probably be fired when she issued her memo.
And good for her for doing the right thing anyway. I have tremendous respect for that.
Agreed.
If she knew she could not comply with his orders, why not just resign?
Because she might have wanted to take a stand about an important issue. And make it known that she will stand up for what's right in spite of Cheeto.
ruby59|1485834401|4122153 said:lovedogs|1485834193|4122151 said:ruby59|1485833644|4122147 said:lovedogs|1485831986|4122137 said:Dee*Jay|1485831612|4122135 said:VRBeauty|1485831458|4122134 said:ruby59|1485831229|4122130 said:Agree with him or not, Trump was her boss.
How long would you last in your job if you did this?
We are her bosses - she had sworn to uphold the law and the constitution.
That said, and Acting AG is an appointed position and probably serves at the will of the Prezident, so she was no doubt aware that she'd probably be fired when she issued her memo.
And good for her for doing the right thing anyway. I have tremendous respect for that.
Agreed.
If she knew she could not comply with his orders, why not just resign?
Because she might have wanted to take a stand about an important issue. And make it known that she will stand up for what's right in spite of Cheeto.
And when you resign you cannot accomplish the same thing?
Resign and say why you are doing so.
Dee*Jay|1485834561|4122154 said:ruby59|1485834401|4122153 said:lovedogs|1485834193|4122151 said:ruby59|1485833644|4122147 said:lovedogs|1485831986|4122137 said:Dee*Jay|1485831612|4122135 said:VRBeauty|1485831458|4122134 said:ruby59|1485831229|4122130 said:Agree with him or not, Trump was her boss.
How long would you last in your job if you did this?
We are her bosses - she had sworn to uphold the law and the constitution.
That said, and Acting AG is an appointed position and probably serves at the will of the Prezident, so she was no doubt aware that she'd probably be fired when she issued her memo.
And good for her for doing the right thing anyway. I have tremendous respect for that.
Agreed.
If she knew she could not comply with his orders, why not just resign?
Because she might have wanted to take a stand about an important issue. And make it known that she will stand up for what's right in spite of Cheeto.
And when you resign you cannot accomplish the same thing?
Resigning in this instance would have been the easy way out. It was a much stronger message to tell Pvss Grab to fvck off in this way.
ruby59|1485833644|4122147 said:lovedogs|1485831986|4122137 said:Dee*Jay|1485831612|4122135 said:VRBeauty|1485831458|4122134 said:ruby59|1485831229|4122130 said:Agree with him or not, Trump was her boss.
How long would you last in your job if you did this?
We are her bosses - she had sworn to uphold the law and the constitution.
That said, and Acting AG is an appointed position and probably serves at the will of the Prezident, so she was no doubt aware that she'd probably be fired when she issued her memo.
And good for her for doing the right thing anyway. I have tremendous respect for that.
Agreed.
If she knew she could not comply with his orders, why not just resign?
JoCoJenn|1485835330|4122162 said:She was a political appointee who refused to do her job.
It's no different than the woman who refused to marry gay couples. When you work as a government employee, you enforce the law.
The Acting AG had a lawful order, she refused to defend it; she deserved to be fired - period.
VRBeauty|1485839509|4122179 said:JoCoJenn|1485835330|4122162 said:She was a political appointee who refused to do her job.
It's no different than the woman who refused to marry gay couples. When you work as a government employee, you enforce the law.
The Acting AG had a lawful order, she refused to defend it; she deserved to be fired - period.
The difference is that Kim Davis was trying to uphold a distinction that the Supreme Court had already found to be unconstitutional.
At least four federal courts have found at least part of the order to be either unlawful or potentially unlawful and needing further review. Separation of powers and all that. The prez issuing an Executive Order doesn't necessarily mean that it is legal under the constitution.
An Attorney General serves at the will or the president and prezT is within his rights to fire Acting AG Gates. That doesn't mean his EO is legal or constitutional - that remains to be seen.
JoCoJenn|1485835330|4122162 said:She was a political appointee who refused to do her job.
It's no different than the woman who refused to marry gay couples. When you work as a government employee, you enforce the law.
The Acting AG had a lawful order, she refused to defend it; she deserved to be fired - period.
For these reasons, I used the term "lawful" order. There are a lot of other "unknowns" here that make this messy or complex. Did the DOJ reviewers float it up to Yates before signing off? If not, why? And that is an internal managerial matter.Sec. 11. General Provisions. (a) Nothing in this order shall be construed to impair or otherwise affect:
(i) the authority granted by law to an executive department or agency, or the head thereof; or
(ii) the functions of the Director of the Office of Management and Budget relating to budgetary, administrative, or legislative proposals.
(b) This order shall be implemented consistent with applicable law and subject to the availability of appropriations.
(c) This order is not intended to, and does not, create any right or benefit, substantive or procedural, enforceable at law or in equity by any party against the United States, its departments, agencies, or entities, its officers, employees, or agents, or any other person.
vc10um|1485865851|4122208 said:Sen. Jeff Sessions himself asked Ms. Yates during her confirmation hearing if she would defy a Presidential order that was unlawful. Sounds like he should be the first one coming to her support on this...
(I apologize for not having a more neutral link than Business Insider, but the video itself is what's important here.)
http://www.businessinsider.com/sally-yates-jeff-sessions-video-2015-confirmation-hearing-2017-1
lovedogs|1485834620|4122155 said:Dee*Jay|1485834561|4122154 said:ruby59|1485834401|4122153 said:lovedogs|1485834193|4122151 said:ruby59|1485833644|4122147 said:lovedogs|1485831986|4122137 said:Dee*Jay|1485831612|4122135 said:VRBeauty|1485831458|4122134 said:ruby59|1485831229|4122130 said:Agree with him or not, Trump was her boss.
How long would you last in your job if you did this?
We are her bosses - she had sworn to uphold the law and the constitution.
That said, and Acting AG is an appointed position and probably serves at the will of the Prezident, so she was no doubt aware that she'd probably be fired when she issued her memo.
And good for her for doing the right thing anyway. I have tremendous respect for that.
Agreed.
If she knew she could not comply with his orders, why not just resign?
Because she might have wanted to take a stand about an important issue. And make it known that she will stand up for what's right in spite of Cheeto.
And when you resign you cannot accomplish the same thing?
Resigning in this instance would have been the easy way out. It was a much stronger message to tell Pvss Grab to fvck off in this way.
Thank you.
smitcompton|1485881696|4122319 said:IMO ,the high road and protocol is that she resign.
The important words here are "in my opinion". I certainly do not agree with you.
The significant act on her part is to give up her job rather than comply with an ideological difference. It has been reported that Trump did seek legal council and they advised him this was legal and Constitutional. And he went to his Gov attorney for this decision.
That does not mean that it was Constitutional. A despot allegedly consulted a lawyer (of what competence we know not)? So what? To hell with the despot and his alleged lawyer.
His problem was he never notified the important departments that would be affected.
His problem is that he is president. Actually that is our problem.
This woman actually believed she would be allowed to carry on?
What on earth makes you think she thought she would be "allowed to carry on"? Why would she want to?
Annette
There are times that good people need to stand up to something blatantly unconstitutional and wrong. And this is one of those times. I applaud her for that, as do many others.jaaron|1485884626|4122352 said:I don't imagine she thought for a second that she would keep her job. I would imagine that she decided law and conscience transcended personal gain.
Rep. Elijah Cummings, the top Democrat on the House Oversight Committee, praised Yates for standing up "on principle."
"In all my years as a member of Congress, which now is 21, I've met so many very principled people who truly believe in the Constitution and doing what is right," Cummings said. "There comes a time when people, no matter who may be their boss, they stand upon their principles, so at the end of the day they can look them selves in the mirror and say 'I synchronized my conduct with my conscience.' And Yates is such a person."