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Trump Doesn't Like Losers

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Trump doesn't like losers. Never forget that he denigrated John McCain for being held captive and tortured by the North Vietnamese while a Prisoner of War. He liked servicemen who had not been captured. He also does not like hurricane victims.

Read this story. The people of Puerto Rico should not be asking for so much help. They should be doing more to help themselves.

Link...https://www.nytimes.com/2017/09/30/...t-region&region=top-news&WT.nav=top-news&_r=0

An excerpt is below.

"Mr. Trump said his critics in Puerto Rico should not depend entirely on the federal government. 'They want everything to be done for them when it should be a community effort,' he wrote. '10,000 Federal workers now on Island doing a fantastic job. The military and first responders, despite no electric, roads, phones etc., have done an amazing job. Puerto Rico was totally destroyed.'

The seemingly slow response to the hurricane in Puerto Rico, an American territory — especially compared with the federal response to storms in Texas and Florida — threatened to become a political disaster for Mr. Trump as critics compared it to President George W. Bush’s handling of Hurricane Katrina in 2005. Mr. Trump has alternated between expressions of resolve and concern on the one hand and angry recriminations against critics on the other.

Ms. Cruz became a powerful voice of grievance on Friday when she went on television to plead for help and reject assertions by the Trump administration about how well it was responding. She was incensed by comments made by Elaine Duke, the acting secretary of Homeland Security, who had said on Thursday that it was 'really a good news story in terms of our ability to reach people and the limited number of deaths' from the hurricane.


'This is, dammit, this is not a good news story,' Ms. Cruz said on CNN. 'This is a "people are dying" story. This is a "life or death" story. This is "there’s a truckload of stuff that cannot be taken to people" story. This is a story of a devastation that continues to worsen.'

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'People are drinking out of creeks here in San Juan,' Ms. Cruz, wearing a black T-shirt that said, “Help Us, We Are Dying,” told the host Anderson Cooper. “You have people that are in buildings, and they’re sort of becoming caged in their own buildings — old people, retired people that just don’t have any electricity.”

At least 16 people have died in Puerto Rico in the hurricane’s aftermath, although that number could rise. The island has a population of 3.4 million people, roughly the same as Connecticut. The Trump administration has appointed a three-star general to coordinate the response and waived the Jones Act, a maritime commerce statute that was seen as a hindrance to relief efforts.

'We’re dying here,' Ms. Cruz said. 'We truly are dying here. And I keep saying it, S.O.S. If anyone can hear us, if Mr. Trump can hear us, let’s just get it over with and get the ball rolling.'”
 
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Well Deb, I saw this earlier this morning. Trump 'appears' to care little for PR :( does not feel it is part of the USA. If the guy has a moral bone in his body you could fool me because I don't see it. Very sad.
 
It's sad that the media must politicize disasters where people are suffering to feed their ego and agenda.
 
It's sad that the media must politicize disasters where people are suffering to feed their ego and agenda.

It's sad that the president must politicize disasters where people are suffering to feed his ego and agenda.
 
It's sad that the president must politicize disasters where people are suffering to feed their ego and agenda.

I agree but it is expected because he is now a politician. I expect it from them. Which is also sad.

Besides it would not matter what he was doing or how well, there would be articles like this.
 
It's sad that the media must politicize disasters where people are suffering to feed their ego and agenda.
Red, how is reporting on the plight of 3.5 million people in distress politicizing the issue?
 
Red, how is reporting on the plight of 3.5 million people in distress politicizing the issue?

If I have to point out the parts in that article then you are not the person I thought you were.
 
Yes, let's just ignore those damn brown skins! We shouldn't have to hear about their suffering, it makes me uncomfortable! Where's that play doh...
 
Hi,

I am going to posit another view. I grew up in New York(Brooklyn) and I admit to having a prejudice against Puerto Ricans(truly about my only ). Trump is of my generation and PR were thought of as lazy welfare recipients who came to the states to collect the checks. The Commonwealth of PR has voted against statehood, I believe, several times, as recently as a few yrs ago. And yes, they owe everyone money. I have lived outside of New York more yrs now than I lived there, but my experiences here have not erased my thinking. Please do not think this is a racist view as other countries with similar language and skin color hold no such thoughts for me. I suspect Trump holds this view from yrs ago.

I'll also throw out that most Real-Estate companies, not just Trumps father, did any number of illegal acts to prevent integration in housing. I worked in real-estate and was appalled at what was still going on in the 1980's. I make no excuse for this behavior but it was prevalent, and needed the law to subdue it.

Of course, we must do what is right for today. But some biases remain.

Annette
 
If I have to point out the parts in that article then you are not the person I thought you were.
Indulge me, point out the parts. Why must you take every opportunity you can to disparage me?
 
Indulge me, point out the parts. Why must you take every opportunity you can to disparage me?

Disparage you? I am not disparaging you. I think you are an extremely smart and accomplished woman who happens to have a differing POV on many things.
 
Please give me an example of the politicized parts of the article if you have the time.
 
I think "Such poor leadership ability by the Mayor of San Juan, and others in Puerto Rico, who are not able to get their workers to help." is telling in itself. Not citizens or relief agencies/responders but workers. Peasants.
 
FWIW I did not get an overriding sense of politicisation in that article, but it is Saturday and a caffeine-free day, so I freely admit I am not as sharp as I should be!
 
Please give me an example of the politicized parts of the article if you have the time.

The mayor politicized the issue with her rant to the media that is linked. She even said that there is aid waiting with no trucks to get it to the people. How is this Trump's fault that the infrastructure and responders on the island are unprepared for a devastating hurricane and the aftermath? Stop making it political and everyone get to work. JMHO.
 
The mayor politicized the issue with her rant to the media that is linked. She even said that there is aid waiting with no trucks to get it to the people. How is this Trump's fault that the infrastructure and responders on the island are unprepared for a devastating hurricane and the aftermath? Stop making it political and everyone get to work. JMHO.
Thanks for taking the time to post an example Red. I was just trying to get a feel for your point of view.
 
http://www.cnn.com/2017/09/30/us/puerto-rico-hurricane-recovery/index.html

Trump should have ignored it and kept his mouth shut but that is hard to do.

Edit - I do find it interesting that the mayor had a shirt that said "Help us we are dying" in an interview with Anderson Cooper. Where and why on earth would she take the time and resources to have such a shirt made in the middle of that devastation?
 
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Of course the response is going to be slower in PR than the continental US its a matter of transportation and logistics.
And yes the locals have to help themselves for the first period of time the length of depends of transportation and logistics.
There are 3 wavs of response: local, state, federal
Federal in the best case of good transportation is 3 days to impactful deployment over a wide area. There is a ton of protocall involved to get the military involved.
State is generally a day at best
local is immediate but was hampered by transportation and resources.

In PR there was no state response possible as the whole area was involved.
Federal was hampered by transportation issues.
That left local to hold the fort a lot longer than optimal.
What could anyone have done about it?
Nothing.
 
Annette, interesting view. I grew up 50 miles north of the city and PRs were exotic to me, then I moved to Bronx. Bodega's! etc. Since I didn't grow up with Puerto Ricans I had no bias. :)

Remember the line from Westside Story! 'Every Puerto Rican is a lousy Chicken!" I think that movie/show projects a lot about the feelings PRs and whites had back then :)

Hi,

I am going to posit another view. I grew up in New York(Brooklyn) and I admit to having a prejudice against Puerto Ricans(truly about my only ). Trump is of my generation and PR were thought of as lazy welfare recipients who came to the states to collect the checks. The Commonwealth of PR has voted against statehood, I believe, several times, as recently as a few yrs ago. And yes, they owe everyone money. I have lived outside of New York more yrs now than I lived there, but my experiences here have not erased my thinking. Please do not think this is a racist view as other countries with similar language and skin color hold no such thoughts for me. I suspect Trump holds this view from yrs ago.

I'll also throw out that most Real-Estate companies, not just Trumps father, did any number of illegal acts to prevent integration in housing. I worked in real-estate and was appalled at what was still going on in the 1980's. I make no excuse for this behavior but it was prevalent, and needed the law to subdue it.

Of course, we must do what is right for today. But some biases remain.

Annette
 
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry...906e4b0f3c468060dee?ncid=engmodushpmg00000004

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Col. Valle is a firsthand witness of the U.S. Department of Defense (DoD) response supporting FEMA in Puerto Rico, and as a Puerto Rican himself with family members living in the devastation, his passion for the people is second to none. “It’s just not true,” Col. Valle says of the major disconnect today between the perception of a lack of response from Washington verses what is really going on on the ground. “I have family here. My parents’ home is here. My uncles, aunts, cousins, are all here. As a Puerto Rican, I can tell you that the problem has nothing to do with the U.S. military, FEMA, or the DoD.”
 
From your pointer. So it is not lazy Puerto Ricans, that's good to know. Trump has been slow to even go to Puerto Rico. He speaks of their 'debt' etc. Humanitarian? no he is not.
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Put another way, 80% of truck drivers do not show up to work, and yet again, it’s important to understand why.

“There should be zero blame on the drivers. They can’t get to work, the infrastructure is destroyed, they can’t get fuel themselves, and they can’t call us for help because there’s no communication. The will of the people of Puerto Rico is off the charts. The truck drivers have families to take care of, many of them have no food or water. They have to take care of their family’s needs before they go off to work, and once they do go, they can’t call home,” explains Col. Valle.

It’s a dilemma with dependent conditions. The citizens need fuel and supplies brought in by relief efforts. The truck drivers who move the fuel and supplies from ports and airstrips need fuel and traversable roads—and before anything else they need supplies for their own families.


http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry...906e4b0f3c468060dee?ncid=engmodushpmg00000004

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Col. Valle is a firsthand witness of the U.S. Department of Defense (DoD) response supporting FEMA in Puerto Rico, and as a Puerto Rican himself with family members living in the devastation, his passion for the people is second to none. “It’s just not true,” Col. Valle says of the major disconnect today between the perception of a lack of response from Washington verses what is really going on on the ground. “I have family here. My parents’ home is here. My uncles, aunts, cousins, are all here. As a Puerto Rican, I can tell you that the problem has nothing to do with the U.S. military, FEMA, or the DoD.”
 
From your pointer. So it is not lazy Puerto Ricans, that's good to know. Trump has been slow to even go to Puerto Rico.

Should Trump really muck up the airport and relief efforts with a visit right now? That seems incredibly stupid. It is hard enough as it is to get things moved around on the tiny island. He should stay out of the way and make sure they have what they need. And shut up on Twitter - but that is only a dream for me I think.
 
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I wouldn't considerate a compassionate visit a muck-up. PR isn't that tiny if it were people would be able to receive help more quickly. (my aunt owns land there). Trump has just asked for unity and is praising again. He is a leader and should lead in a positive way.

Should Trump really muck up the airport and relief efforts with a visit right now? That seems incredibly stupid. It is hard enough as it is to get things moved around on the tiny island. He should stay out of the way and make sure they have what they need. And shut up on Twitter - but that is only a dream for me I think.
 
I wouldn't considerate a compassionate visit a muck-up. PR isn't that tiny if it were people would be able to receive help more quickly. (my aunt owns land there). Trump has just asked for unity and is praising again. He is a leader and should lead in a positive way.

The visit and it's logistics are the muck up I am talking about with Airforce One and entourage. I hope he keeps up the positive.
 
I read that it is taking a lot of time and effort to clear the runway in order to accommodate Air Force One for Trumps visit. Wouldn't the efforts be better spent on helping the people in Puerto Rico?

After all his tweets and comments regarding Puerto Rico do you really think he will keep this visit positive @redwood66 ? The only positive comments he makes are about himself. Haven't these people been thru enough without having to listen to him?
 
I read that it is taking a lot of time and effort to clear the runway in order to accommodate Air Force One for Trumps visit. Wouldn't the efforts be better spent on helping the people in Puerto Rico?

After all his tweets and comments regarding Puerto Rico do you really think he will keep this visit positive @redwood66 ? The only positive comments he makes are about himself. Haven't these people been thru enough without having to listen to him?

Well one can hope but his tweets irritate me to no end.

As far as him going to PR, I am someone who thinks a president arriving amid a disaster is just a disruption no matter who is in the office. I know some people think it is a good thing but I am not one of them. Photo ops and glad handing. Save it for later when things are under control because it's not like the pres is doing anything to help anyway.
 
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1) I have never been to Puerto Rico, but I suspect that it may be like Brazil, people of different colors, with inner segregation. So it might be so that to Trump, Puerto Ricans seem to be another version of Mexicans and he does not want to let them on the mainland.
2) more important, can he do anything at all? He sleeps, tweets, plays gold on weekend, and occasionally, he travels somewhere and makes speeches that don't bode well with the locals.

Question is, organizing anything needs concerted efforts, work, coordinating, staying awake. Is he able to do it?

Twitter has expanded the number of letters, and i bet its stock is up.
 
Marie Antoinette lives!!!
Let ‘em eat cake!
 
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