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Time to take the step... Really need your help!

JohnyBoon

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Hello all,

First of all, I'd like to say that I am very happy I found this forum. I have a really strong gut feeling that some of the experts around here can help me and my unique situation.

I'll try to keep it short - it's time for me to propose. Times are tough so my budget for a ring is small and I would much rather pay for something inexpensive now, and upgrade later, than getting a loan to buy something more expensive now - I am sure that this will just be the first of many big expenses to come, so it would make logical sense not to go all out.

Now, while I am a very smart shopper in general, rings are different. There are so many different elements and factors that one has to consider in order to determine whether a price is good or not.. and I know nothing about any of them. I do, however, know the 2 most important things. I know what she likes, and I know what I can afford. So, right to it:

She loves this - http://www.robbinsbrothers.com/Engagement-Rings/Ring-With-Sidestones/Robbins-Brothers-i15411.ring

The price is $2,995.00 + the center diamond. I see some prices for diamonds on that page, starting from $795.00 for a 1/2 ct Round Diamond and ranging up to $2,495.00 for a 1 ct Round Diamond. Nothing about grades, clarity and all that. In other words, I am looking at $3,800.00 + tax minimum.. and that's IF a 1/2 ct round diamond would suffice to make the ring look like what we saw live at RB.

So, my first question is - would a 1/2 ct round diamond suffice? I am ONLY referring to the "looks" of the ring. Would a 1/2 ct make it look similar to the way it does in the pic?

Having said that, here is where it gets interesting. I can afford to spend $1k BUT I already have a ring. Here is what I got:

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Obviously, it would be very hard to try and understand the value of a ring/stone just by a picture like the ones I posted, but any assumptions (on the low end) are very welcome. I mainly need to know 1) whether the stone from this ring would work on the ring from RB and 2) How many ct do you think this stone is. I am asking to see whether I would be able to trade the already small stone, for something even smaller and use the extra money on the frame.

The bottom line is this - I have $1k and the ring above and I am trying to get as close as possible to the ring that she likes OR something that looks like it. It doesn't have to come with a big stone, or with a very high quality one.. I just want it to look like a diamond and not like a yellowish clear plastic.. It doesn't have to be the ring above and it doesn't have to be from RB (I read a few posts on the forums that say that RB is very overpriced). The stone that I currently have is shining beautifully, though I know that it's not one of the expensive ones. I could give her this ring, but one of the things that she definitely "hates" is being able to see the frame, and my current ring is ALL frame.. They say that the actual ring doesn't matter and it's all about the gesture, but we all know that this is not exactly true.

P.S. The reason I don't know the specifics of the stone that I have is that the ring was given to me by someone as a "present" to help out..

Thank you so much in advance for all your help!!
 
Hi and welcome! I would absolutely use the diamond you have. I don't think you will be able to get a setting that detailed and with that many diamonds for 1k though. How about some of these alternatives...

I am not sure what shipping/mounting fees are but you could ask.

plain shank halo $895
http://www.eternitydiamonds.com/engagement-rings/diamond-engagement-ring/Halo-Setting-With-Plain-Shank-468.htm

halo with small split shank $995
http://www.eternitydiamonds.com/engagement-rings/diamond-engagement-ring/Halo-Ring-With-Split-Shank-443.htm

this one is $955 in 14k
http://www.eternitydiamonds.com/engagement-rings/diamond-engagement-ring/Vera-Diamond-Halo-Ring-402.htm

pave band, no halo $805 in 14k
http://www.eternitydiamonds.com/engagement-rings/diamond-engagement-ring/Brianna-Channel-Set-Diamond-Ring-332.htm

$750 wire price
http://www.whiteflash.com/engagement-rings/diamond-settings/rounded-open-cathedral-diamond-engagement-ring-626.htm
 
slg47|1333327051|3161425 said:
Hi and welcome! I would absolutely use the diamond you have. I don't think you will be able to get a setting that detailed and with that many diamonds for 1k though. How about some of these alternatives...

I am not sure what shipping/mounting fees are but you could ask.

plain shank halo $895
http://www.eternitydiamonds.com/engagement-rings/diamond-engagement-ring/Halo-Setting-With-Plain-Shank-468.htm

halo with small split shank $995
http://www.eternitydiamonds.com/engagement-rings/diamond-engagement-ring/Halo-Ring-With-Split-Shank-443.htm

this one is $955 in 14k
http://www.eternitydiamonds.com/engagement-rings/diamond-engagement-ring/Vera-Diamond-Halo-Ring-402.htm

pave band, no halo $805 in 14k
http://www.eternitydiamonds.com/engagement-rings/diamond-engagement-ring/Brianna-Channel-Set-Diamond-Ring-332.htm

$750 wire price
http://www.whiteflash.com/engagement-rings/diamond-settings/rounded-open-cathedral-diamond-engagement-ring-626.htm

Thank you so much for your reply! Just to make sure that I understand... From the ring that I already have - the stone is the only thing that I could use or is the frame worth anything?

I personally think that the rings you found are nice, but the problem is that her 1 request that she keeps talking about is "i don't want to be able to see the frame". The one that she likes has a center stone and the rest are all micro pave which, if I am not mistaken, are cheap.. So, don't you think that I would be able to find a similar frame for around $1k? Also, can I use my current frame as the basis for everything else? Would that save me any money or is it the same?

I looked around and found a couple of things myself too - this one for example looks similar.. http://www.bluenile.com/three-stone-diamond-ring-platinum_5923?builder=BYOR - just slightly over my budget, and I would also need 2 sidestones.. Then again, if rings are the same as most of the other stuff, then I think that it's safe to assume that if I were to really search for it, I would be able to get it at least 25% less then places like Blue Nile and RB... or is that not the case?
 
I am not sure what you mean by see the frame? do you mean the plain shank? I think you could get some money for the setting but I am not sure how much. Honestly I think your best bet is to go with a simple pave band like the last one I posted if she really likes a diamond band. I do not think you can find a similar setting for 1k unfortunately unless you go with an ebay setting that might not be very durable for everyday wear.
 
That stone looks like it could be an OEC. If you could take better pics of it, it would help. [URL='https://www.pricescope.com/community/threads/how-to-take-good-photos-of-your-diamonds.102989/']https://www.pricescope.com/community/threads/how-to-take-good-photos-of-your-diamonds.102989/[/URL]

What do yo mean by "frame"?

You need to take that diamond to a jeweler and have them measure it. We can't tell you how big it is from the pics.

That setting and a budget of 1000 is gonna be problematic. But there are a few Chinese vendors on ebay that do similar styles, with decent quality, that would work. I have a ring (that I made into a pendant) by one of them and it's been good. A lot of the ladies on the colored stone forums have bought these (like 1000s of the settings) with good results as well.

So here are a few suggestions. Keep in mind you need your stone's measurements before buying a setting.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/CUSHION-CUT-SOLID-14K-WHITE-GOLD-NATURAL-DIAMOND-SEMI-MOUNT-SETTING-RING-/110853147533?pt=Diamond_Solitaire_with_Accents&hash=item19cf5ccb8d You can email the vendor and ask them to have this modified for a round center.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Round-6mmx6mm-14k-W-Gold-1-08ct-Diamond-Semi-Mount-Ring-/130672061245?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item1e6ca96b3d

http://www.ebay.com/itm/41-Ct-Round-Diamonds-14K-WG-Semi-Mount-SETTING-/160506151301?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item255ee98185

http://www.ebay.com/itm/SOLID-14K-WHITE-GOLD-NATURAL-VS-DIAMOND-SEMI-MOUNT-SETTING-RING-/110850216603?pt=Diamond_Solitaire_with_Accents&hash=item19cf30129b

http://www.ebay.com/itm/0-90CT-ROUND-CUT-Solid-14K-White-Gold-Natural-Diamond-Semi-Mount-Engagement-Ring-/120888196532?pt=Diamond_Solitaire_with_Accents&hash=item1c257f7db4

http://www.ebay.com/itm/4mm-Round-Cut-56ct-DIAMOND-14K-WHITE-GOLD-Milgrain-Filigree-Semi-Mount-RING-6-/251027933538?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item3a726e4962

http://www.ebay.com/itm/ART-DECO-SEMI-MOUNT-5-5MM-ROUND-CUSHION-DIAMOND-VINTAGE-ENGAGEMENT-SETTING-RING-/400288040749?pt=Diamond_Solitaire_with_Accents&hash=item5d3306c72d

http://www.ebay.com/itm/6-6-5mm-Round-Cut-Milgrain-14K-WHITE-GOLD-65ct-DIAMOND-Wedding-SEMI-MOUNT-RING-/270944264667?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item3f158961db Have it made for your size stone.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/VS-G-1-10CT-SOLID-14K-DIAMOND-SETTING-SEMI-RING-MOUNT-/400286280663?pt=Diamond_Solitaire_with_Accents&hash=item5d32ebebd7

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Round-5-5mm-Solid-14Kt-W-Gold-0-46Ct-Diamond-Engagement-Semi-Mount-Ring-/260992921405?pt=Diamond_Solitaire_with_Accents&hash=item3cc463ef3d

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Round-6-5mm-14Kt-White-Gold-0-80ct-Diamond-Semi-Mount-Engagement-Ring-1-/260992954122?pt=Diamond_Solitaire_with_Accents&hash=item3cc4646f0a

Anyway, there are 100s of styles. Get the stone measured and we can see about finding you the right setting.
 
Oh yes - sorry for not using the right word here.. When I say frame, I mean the band.. And it goes as far as the prongs that some rings have to hold the stone. Is that what you mean when you say "plain shank"?

Also, can you please help me understand why some prices seem way too off? For example, you mentioned eBay. Here is what I found from a quick search:

http://www.ebay.com/itm/GLAMOROUS-DIAMOND-18K-WHITE-GOLD-MICROPAVE-ENGAGEMENT-RING-MOUNT-/230763829724?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item35ba9899dc - just missing my stone? How can this be so cheap? It even comes with the sidestones which are normally that much by themselves, right?

or this one http://www.ebay.com/itm/1-Ct-Round-Cut-Diamond-Vintage-Engagement-Ring-Micropave-White-Gold-14k-/370601073050?pt=Diamond_Solitaire_with_Accents&hash=item56498b999a - it comes with the stone.

and a last one - http://www.ebay.com/itm/1-20-CT-MOISSANITE-ROUND-WEDDING-SET-MICRO-PAVE-RINGS-/300332359256?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item45ed341e58

I always thought that while there are a lot of factors that determine the price of the stone, many of which are not visible to an inexperienced eye, the band/frame/setting (what's the right terminology) is pretty standard. You are just paying for the design and any stones used on it. But through eBay, I see full rings for the price of just the band/frame/setting in other stores. What am I not understanding?

Thank you once again!
 
Let's try to get on a common vocabulary for rings:

setting= the metal ring (with or without small diamonds) that holds the main diamond or other stone(s).

shank= the band part of the ring

head= the part of the ring that has the prongs which hold the diamond

I will agree with the others that you aren't going to be able to get a good quality ornate setting like you showed us above for $1000 unless maybe you are lucky and can find one second hand.
 
JohnyBoon|1333329577|3161453 said:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/GLAMOROUS-DIAMOND-18K-WHITE-GOLD-MICROPAVE-ENGAGEMENT-RING-MOUNT-/230763829724?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item35ba9899dc - just missing my stone? How can this be so cheap? It even comes with the sidestones which are normally that much by themselves, right?

I don't know anything about the other seller's listings. But I have bought from this seller and have found them to be extremely honest. And their pictures were right on the money. Even their clarity information was accurate. You can email them and ask them if the sidestones are eyeclean. I think this setting is a very good deal. As for why the price is so low: this seller seems to rely on volume and the setting is preowned.


Other listings by this seller I would consider for you:

http://www.ebay.com/itm/1CT-DIAMOND-18K-GOLD-ENGAGEMENT-RING-/230767558414?pt=Wedding_Sets&hash=item35bad17f0e

http://www.ebay.com/itm/VERY-FINE-1-25-CT-DIAMOND-14K-WHITE-GOLD-ENGAGEMENT-RING-/230760457074?pt=Diamond_Solitaire_with_Accents&hash=item35ba652372 If you can stretch your budget for this one I would HIGHLY advise you to consider it. That center stone is a very nice stone if eyeclean.
 
JohnyBoon|1333329577|3161453 said:
Oh yes - sorry for not using the right word here.. When I say frame, I mean the band.. And it goes as far as the prongs that some rings have to hold the stone. Is that what you mean when you say "plain shank"?

Also, can you please help me understand why some prices seem way too off? For example, you mentioned eBay. Here is what I found from a quick search:

http://www.ebay.com/itm/GLAMOROUS-DIAMOND-18K-WHITE-GOLD-MICROPAVE-ENGAGEMENT-RING-MOUNT-/230763829724?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item35ba9899dc - just missing my stone? How can this be so cheap? It even comes with the sidestones which are normally that much by themselves, right?

or this one http://www.ebay.com/itm/1-Ct-Round-Cut-Diamond-Vintage-Engagement-Ring-Micropave-White-Gold-14k-/370601073050?pt=Diamond_Solitaire_with_Accents&hash=item56498b999a - it comes with the stone.

and a last one - http://www.ebay.com/itm/1-20-CT-MOISSANITE-ROUND-WEDDING-SET-MICRO-PAVE-RINGS-/300332359256?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item45ed341e58

I always thought that while there are a lot of factors that determine the price of the stone, many of which are not visible to an inexperienced eye, the band/frame/setting (what's the right terminology) is pretty standard. You are just paying for the design and any stones used on it. But through eBay, I see full rings for the price of just the band/frame/setting in other stores. What am I not understanding?

Thank you once again!

The first one is a used ring and if she wears this size and your diamond is the right size, this might be a great buy. The price is low because it is used, and it has SI clarity diamonds.

The second one is clarity-enhanced...not worth nearly as much as a regular untreated diamond. Stay far away!

Last one has simulated stones, not diamonds.

What is her ring size? You have to know because if there are diamonds on the shank, the ring needs to be her size because it can mess up the diamonds if you size it sometimes.
 
JohnyBoon|1333329577|3161453 said:
Oh yes - sorry for not using the right word here.. When I say frame, I mean the band.. And it goes as far as the prongs that some rings have to hold the stone. Is that what you mean when you say "plain shank"?

Also, can you please help me understand why some prices seem way too off? For example, you mentioned eBay. Here is what I found from a quick search:

http://www.ebay.com/itm/GLAMOROUS-DIAMOND-18K-WHITE-GOLD-MICROPAVE-ENGAGEMENT-RING-MOUNT-/230763829724?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item35ba9899dc - just missing my stone? How can this be so cheap? It even comes with the sidestones which are normally that much by themselves, right?

or this one http://www.ebay.com/itm/1-Ct-Round-Cut-Diamond-Vintage-Engagement-Ring-Micropave-White-Gold-14k-/370601073050?pt=Diamond_Solitaire_with_Accents&hash=item56498b999a - it comes with the stone.

and a last one - http://www.ebay.com/itm/1-20-CT-MOISSANITE-ROUND-WEDDING-SET-MICRO-PAVE-RINGS-/300332359256?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item45ed341e58

I always thought that while there are a lot of factors that determine the price of the stone, many of which are not visible to an inexperienced eye, the band/frame/setting (what's the right terminology) is pretty standard. You are just paying for the design and any stones used on it. But through eBay, I see full rings for the price of just the band/frame/setting in other stores. What am I not understanding?

Thank you once again!

#1 listing - it's used, missing stones and from the picture the stones look very dark..actually the entire piece looks tired. Csn't really see the condition of the prongs too well.

#2 listing - that is a clarity-enhanced diamond...... You don't want to go down that murky path. Basically, it's garbage.

#3 listing - that's not even diamond! It's a synthetic!!

Before you head off to the jeweler with your existing ring, get a tape measure and measure the diameter of just the diamond. Use millimeters - and we can approximate the size.
 
interesting! Thank you so much everyone for your helpful advice!! I am already so much better off than I used to - learning so much!

Ok - so, the ring size is 7 to 7.5.

This one does look like a good find - http://www.ebay.com/itm/VERY-FINE-1-25-CT-DIAMOND-14K-WHITE-GOLD-ENGAGEMENT-RING-/230760457074?pt=Diamond_Solitaire_with_Accents&hash=item35ba652372 - I am just wondering whether buying a pre-owned engagement ring is a good way to go. If there is one thing I want to avoid is having her say "Oh... if you couldn't afford to buy it new, then you shouldn't have bought it in the first place - I would be happy with the old ring".. And she might. I don't know.. even though my budget is obviously too low for what I am trying to achieve, buying pre-owned may not be a good option. I am really concentrating on the numbers here, but the truth is that it is meant for a very special cause.

Having said that - a couple more questions if I may:

"The second one is clarity-enhanced...not worth nearly as much as a regular untreated diamond. Stay far away!" - I understand that since it's "clarity-enhanced" then it would definitely not worth nearly as much as a regular diamond, but why "stay far away"? Is there a problem with such diamonds? Let me try to reference cars for a bit - a mercedez is 50k, a toyota is 25k. If someone were to guarantee that they managed to tweak the toyota engines to perform like a mercedez engine would and that they are asking 30k for it, then that would possibly be something to consider. Sure, it would be better to go for the original, but the tweaked and much cheaper option would be a viable alternative as long as the "claims" are true. Back to diamonds - if the clarity enhanced diamond looks like a diamond with higher clarity, then I would obviously not buy it for the price of the higher clarity diamond, but why would I not even consider buying it for a MUCH cheaper price? Is it that the clarity-enhanced version will start losing clarity as time goes by? If that's the case, then I would definitely stay away.

"Last one has simulated stones, not diamonds." - GOOD catch! Definitely steering far away from that one. How could you tell? Is that what "Moissanite" means? Sort of an alternative to cubic zirconia?

And one more question for you - we did go on some ring shopping and I noticed something weird. Some stores had diamonds that looked "like plastic".. I am not talking about shady stores in the middle of nowhere that could have been using plastic or some other material and passing it off as diamonds.. They were actually some of the most expensive ones we saw... But they didn't look right. Could it be that if a diamond is VERY CLEAR then it starts looking a little like plastic? Pardon my ignorance! It's just that all the rings at RB were so shiny, and the rings at a local high-end jeweler had that weird look on them (even though they started at 2x the RB prices).
 
Ok... To my surprise.. the stone is actually close to 1.5 ct - between 1.25 and 1.5 but closer to 1.5. Here is how I came up with that.

I found this page http://www.ajediam.com/Sizes-of-Diamonds.html

I then first tried to compare the sizes by holding the ring next to them. I came up with 1.25 to 1.5. I then took a piece of parer to try and measure the diameter. I cut it so that the width of the piece of paper would be equal to the diameter of the stone. I then put the piece of paper on the screen and tried to match it. It fit almost perfectly on the 1.5 ct and went a little out of the 1.25. Now, I am sure that this is not the right way to measure a stone, but I am pretty sure that it's close to the reality.

With that in mind - do I actually stand a chance? RB's site says:

Diamond Prices Starting At
1/2 ct Round Diamond $795.00
3/4 ct Round Diamond $1,995.00
1 ct Round Diamond $2,495.00

Assuming that the prices follow that exponential increase as the CTs go higher, then a 1.5 ct could be over 3.5k retail.. So, would I possibly be able to trade the whole ring (+stone) with the ring on their site + a 1/2 ct round diamond? Or am I daydreaming here? Did I even measure the diamond right, or did I mess that part up? :)
 
unfortunately diamonds do not sell for a lot second hand...maybe 30-50% of retail. we have no idea what retail would be for your stone since we do not know the color/clarity/cut/etc. I think your best bet is keeping your current stone.
 
Those diamond prices could only apply to the worst imaginable quality. Try $5-6,000 for a lower color/clarity 1 ct. diamond.

Clarity enhanced is more like buying a Toyota with a Yugo engine. It just wouldn't be worth hardly anything so you may as well get a good quality simulant as far as I am concerned.

I am pretty sure your diamond is not 1.5 cts. Do you have a ruler or tape measure where you can look at how many millimeters it is approximately?
 
slg47|1333335571|3161509 said:
unfortunately diamonds do not sell for a lot second hand...maybe 30-50% of retail. we have no idea what retail would be for your stone since we do not know the color/clarity/cut/etc. I think your best bet is keeping your current stone.

Got it. I will probably go get it appraised, just so that I can learn approximately how much it's worth. I really thought that since it's a raw material, the price wouldn't drop so much, but I guess I was wrong. It's just funny that even if you were to give me a 5 ct stone right now, i would still need to work with my 1k which doesn't leave room for much. Is there anything that I should keep in mind when getting a stone appraised? Should I go to one of the commercial retailers (Zales, RB) or somewhere else? I am not too concerned about a $ value since you said that it ranges up to 50% retail (it just wouldn't make sense to sell it if that's the case) - I just want to learn more about the quality of the diamond.

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diamondseeker2006 - no ruler or tape measure in hand... Can you think of another way to do it using other common household goods? If it makes any difference, I measured the distance from one side to the one across from it, however, I see that as we move towards the center of the stone, the area gets slightly smaller.. think of a base, and then a smaller base popping out.. Can't think of a better way to describe it :) I think that's normal right?
 
Yes, the table is the very top surface. The crown is the faceted part that leads up to the table and ends at the widest point, which is called the girdle. The part below the girdle is called the pavilion, and the very bottom point is called the culet.

I can't think of another good way to measure the stone. Can you just go buy any nice jewelry store (not a chain) tomorrow and ask them to measure the diameter and tell you if they can give you just an approximation of color and clarity? Maybe just a brief appraisal to know what you have?
 
I am thinking that once you know the exact diameter of this diamond, you should call IDJewelry because they seem to have really low prices on Gabriel and Co. settings which are nice quality. You would actually send the diamond to them (insured) and they would have Gabriel and Co. make the setting to fit the diamond and her finger size. Tell them your budget for the setting is $1000 and you want sidestones or a design that does not have a plain shank. (There are tons of G&Co. settings that are not pictured on their site, and they will have other brands, too.)

http://idjewelryonline.com/product_info.php?cPath=42_133&products_id=14627&cType=ER
 
diamondseeker2006|1333336523|3161518 said:
Yes, the table is the very top surface. The crown is the faceted part that leads up to the table and ends at the widest point, which is called the girdle. The part below the girdle is called the pavilion, and the very bottom point is called the culet.

I can't think of another good way to measure the stone. Can you just go buy any nice jewelry store (not a chain) tomorrow and ask them to measure the diameter and tell you if they can give you just an approximation of color and clarity? Maybe just a brief appraisal to know what you have?

Yes, I will definitely do that. In the meantime, I measured it with a printed online ruler hehe - here is what I got by measuring the girdle (if I understood correctly by your definition above):

0.5 centimeters = 0.196850394 inches

What does that mean?

P.S. Thank you so much for the IDJewerly idea! Checking their site now.
 
JohnnyBoon,

I was just going to suggest that you try a printable ruler but I see you did that.

.5 cm is the same as 5 mm. That means that your stone is about half a carat.

liz
 
LibbyLA|1333337276|3161525 said:
JohnnyBoon,

I was just going to suggest that you try a printable ruler but I see you did that.

.5 cm is the same as 5 mm. That means that your stone is about half a carat.

liz

Thank you Liz! And yea... that sounds about right.. I wonder how I was SO off with my other measurement technique - I thought that the stone would be 0.5 to 0.75 ct tops, but it really fit right into the 1.5ct hole and I had really started getting my hopes up haha

Ok, quick question for you - are you from LA, as in Los Angeles? If so, can you recommend any places where I could find decent quality but relatively cheap settings? I've heard about places in Downtown but since I am such an amateur when it comes to diamonds and jewelry in general, I would assume that it's not a good idea to go there on my own..
 
JohnyBoon|1333337133|3161523 said:
diamondseeker2006|1333336523|3161518 said:
Yes, the table is the very top surface. The crown is the faceted part that leads up to the table and ends at the widest point, which is called the girdle. The part below the girdle is called the pavilion, and the very bottom point is called the culet.

I can't think of another good way to measure the stone. Can you just go buy any nice jewelry store (not a chain) tomorrow and ask them to measure the diameter and tell you if they can give you just an approximation of color and clarity? Maybe just a brief appraisal to know what you have?

Yes, I will definitely do that. In the meantime, I measured it with a printed online ruler hehe - here is what I got by measuring the girdle (if I understood correctly by your definition above):

0.5 centimeters = 0.196850394 inches

What does that mean?

P.S. Thank you so much for the IDJewerly idea! Checking their site now.

here is the gabriel and co site..you can search settings under 1000.
http://bridal.gabrielny.com/styles/engaged/5?price=-1000
 
JohnnyBoon,

Sorry, it's the other LA--Louisiana! Since you have a diamond that's about the size you are looking for, it looks like you want to concentrate on getting a setting. I'm sure there are people here from the LA area who can recommend jewelers, as well as those who are great at finding beautiful settings online for those on a budget.

liz
 
I agree Gabriel and co will have what you are looking for and you should contact Id jewelry http://idjewelryonline.com/index.php They are great at working within budgets and should be able to find you a beautiful setting for your stone. I would recommend against buying the setting in a local store or chain because it is going to be more expensive. Online jewelry stores don't have the overhead that b&m (brick and mortar) stores do so they are able to sell things at lower prices. Let us know what you decide.

http://www.gabrielengaged.com/style/ER5412W44JJ

http://www.gabrielengaged.com/style/ER6948W44JJ

http://www.gabrielengaged.com/style/ER7737W44JJ
 
I will certainly let you all know!! And will most likely be here soon with more questions :) Since we have a couple of votes for ID Jewelry and Gabriel and Co - they will be my first stop!

Thank you all - if anybody has any other advice, please share!
 
Johny,

Two places in downtown LA carry Gabriel & Co:

OSCARS DESIGN
550 S HILL ST, SUITE 725
LOS ANGELES, CA, 90013
213-622-1200

BRIDAL INC
550 SOUTH HILL ST
SUITE 620
LOS ANGELES, CA 90013
(213) 627-7620

Make an appt and go look. Before you go, go on the Gabriel & Co website - not the ones you like that are approx 20% above your budget (you can bargain or try idjewelry) and bring your stone. These are reputable jewelers, but don't make a hasty decision either. Ask them to see those setting that you can afford. Note the price, then talk to idjewelry to get a comparison. You'll save shipping to NY to idjewelry, but you'll save tax if you buy from NY.

BTW, parking is pricey, there's a place just before eight street, on Hill, on the east side (right side). Parking is only $3 (vs $18). It's underground. Have fun!
 
Another option is to propose with the current ring, then pick out the new ring together knowing the budget. If the girl loves you, she'll love you for what you have and just try to maximize your budget.


BTW, you may be able to get $100 or so for the scrap metal in the ring. Do you have any other gold you can sell to up your budget? Take it to Golden Ice Jewelry at 651 Hill and ask for Joseph, you'll get a decent price for the gold and receive cash. For reference, scrap gold price is $31-ish/gram for 14k currently (what the jeweler gets if they sell the gold you sold him). Expect to get from $21-24/gram for 14k. You can weigh your gold on a small food scale to get an idea of how many grams. DO NOT go to one of those Cash for Gold places. :)
 
JohnyBoon|1333332638|3161484 said:
This one does look like a good find - http://www.ebay.com/itm/VERY-FINE-1-25-CT-DIAMOND-14K-WHITE-GOLD-ENGAGEMENT-RING-/230760457074?pt=Diamond_Solitaire_with_Accents&hash=item35ba652372 - I am just wondering whether buying a pre-owned engagement ring is a good way to go. If there is one thing I want to avoid is having her say "Oh... if you couldn't afford to buy it new, then you shouldn't have bought it in the first place - I would be happy with the old ring".. And she might. I don't know.. even though my budget is obviously too low for what I am trying to achieve, buying pre-owned may not be a good option. I am really concentrating on the numbers here, but the truth is that it is meant for a very special cause.


Antiques are pre-owed as well. There is nothing inherently wrong with a pre-owned stone or ring. And the stone you have already is also used. :confused: So... if she wouldn't be okay with this ebay listing, then you might want to make sure she'd be okay with the stone you were given.

I really think this listing is one you should seriously consider. And by consider I mean talk to you lady about new versus preowned. And perhaps show her a picture of this listing and get her opinion on it.
 
Ditto on Gypsy's post. That is a ridiculous good price. I can see arrows on that diamond, it probably just needs a good cleaning or better pictures! If she's ok with this one, there's a 14 day money back guarantee.

Please talk to her to get her opinion. I honestly don't understand why most guys want to surprise their fiance with a ring. I think movies and TV started this trend. I'm going to be wearing this thing on my hand for the rest of the life and staring at it everyday - I definitely want to make sure I like it! Hubby was made aware of that fact well in advance of any proposal and dutifully left the design up to me. ;) <end rant> :)
 
Thank you both so much for the advice.

A couple of clarifications - the ring that I have is not pre-owned. It was bought by a relative of mine for this purpose. :) I basically asked for a stone, but I got a full ring instead. As for antiques, she would LOVE an antique ring - these are definitely pre-owned, but antique or estate just sounds better than modern and pre-owned hehe Who knows.. maybe that's all in my head.

Liz - the reason we like to surprise you with the design is that this is the only way to surprise you. If I tell you to go ring shopping, then you know that it's coming. Well, in my case, she definitely knows that it's coming, and we did go ring shopping so I have a very good idea of what she likes, but work took a weird twist and the whole thing was delayed so by now I have regained the "surprise element".

Quick question - when you say "not the ones you like that are approx 20% above your budget", do you mean "note"? In other words, would you say that on average I can probably get them to lower the price by approx 20% on Gabriel & Co items?
 
Ack, yes - I meant, note the ones you like. Many vendors give a discount off the MSRP. Not sure of the exact discount for Gabriel & Co at IDjewelry - but if you review their ebay store and compare to MSRP, you can get an idea of price.

Is there any way your relative can return the ring and you can use the money to add to your budget?

p.s. proposal doesn't have to include a ring. or a real ring - if I love my guy, I'd take a ring pop. I know hollywood has increased women's expectations, but what is YOUR lady's expectations? Is she picky about rings?
 
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