Thoughts on this stone...

[FLgirl41]

I know it is EGL, but GIA and AGS are out of my price range.

here are the stats:
weight: 1.75ct
Shape: Round Brilliant
Measurement: 7.89-7.77x 4.73mm
Total Depth:60.4%
Table Width: 57%
Crown Height: 14%
Pavillion Depth: 44%
Girdle: thin to Medium, faceted
Polish Excellent
Symmetry: Excellent
Cutlet: non
Clarity: SI1
Color: H
Comments: 8 Hearts & 8 Arrows

What do you guys think. The price is $8335 I beleive I know it is $135 over my budget, but I think I can work with my FI here hopefully.

 

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1. It is not round (it is out of round)
2. Which EGL lab graded this? FOr the price, I bet this is not a true H SI1.



ETA: Okay, I found the stone. It is EGL Israel. I will absolutely guarantee it is not an H SI1.
Plug the #s into the cut advisor and get a 2.8 (not to mention the out of round). I can't right now, but we can help you search for a stone in your budget that is more accurately graded (and better cut)

 

[FLgirl41]

Date: 11/13/2007 2:09:28 PM
Author:
1. It is not round (it is out of round)
2. Which EGL lab graded this? FOr the price, I bet this is not a true H SI1.

what does out of round mean?

I guess I really didn''t concider 7.89-7.77 that big of a difference, but now I think about it, it probably isn''t huh?

I am not quite sure which EGL lab graded it. Where would it say on the certificate?

As for it being H SI1 the guy at Union Diamond said it was eyeclean. But it probably isn''t an option anyways because somebody else is buying it I guess.

 

[chrono]

I would be very cautious about stones with EGL Israel certs. Most are not accurately graded, so your H SI1 could end up being J SI2/I1.

Generally, most RBs aren't perfectly round but it is best to stick to as round as possible. At a difference of over 0.1mm, the off roundness will most likely be noticeable to the naked eye.

 

[FLgirl41]

Date: 11/13/2007 2:09:28 PM
Author:

ETA: Okay, I found the stone. It is EGL Israel. I will absolutely guarantee it is not an H SI1.
Plug the #s into the cut advisor and get a 2.8 (not to mention the out of round). I can''t right now, but we can help you search for a stone in your budget that is more accurately graded (and better cut)

Ah ok, I am trying to learn all of this, but it is hard. Any help would be great.

My only search criteria is that it can not be smaller than 7.6 mm (it was 7.7 mm but I talked to my jeweler today and he said 7.6 could probably work in my setting). I don''t think there is a size limit of how big it can be (I know my budget won''t get me to big, which is just fine) I am thinking around a 1.75ish.

Thank you for you input

 

[FLgirl41]

Date: 11/13/2007 2:18:32 PM
Author: Chrono
I would be very cautious about stones with EGL Israel certs. Most are not accurately graded, so your H SI1 could end up being J SI2/I1.

Generally, most RBs aren't perfectly round but it is best to stick to as round as possible. At a difference of over 0.1mm, the off roundness will most likely be noticeable to the naked eye.

Thanks Chrono. To be honest I didn't really look at the measurements that close. I just got excited when I saw H SI1 for around my budget.

I know now to pay more attention to those numbers. I think for some reason I thought it said 7.80 ( i dunno, i think i have been staring at the comp for to long)

ETA: How do you tell which EGL lab it is on the cert?

 

[Gypsy]

It's gonna take you a while to find what you want in your price range. Your best bet might be this page here... right now it doesn't have what you want in terms of spread... but I've seen diamonds with the spread you are looking for on here for your budget. White White J's and VERY clean SI2's and I1's. I'd trust Wink's honest evaluations of the diamond's color and clarity appearance. That J on there now is a great deal for someone looking for a large diamond on a super skinny budget-- but at 1.5 it's not going to be large enough for you, unfortunately. And keep in mind that an AGS J might be a HIGHER colored and clarity stone than that EGL Israel stone you were looking at before. It's not unheard of for EGL Israel to be 3 grades off. If you like halos. I'd consider the J on here in a halo setting for 2K, and you'd be right at budget with an entirely new ring that will visually look larger than your last one.

http://www.winkjones.com/specials/sa_diamonds.php

 

[chrono]

Gypsy,
Flygirl''s original diamond was damaged, so she is looking for a replacement diamond with her insurance money. Hence, the new diamond must fit into her existing setting (7.7 mm), so no halos.

Flygirl,
I agree that Wink has awesome specials; very well cut stones with lower clarity and colours (but accurately graded) for those who are very budget conscious. As for the cert, if you look at the top of the cert (the header), it will tell you if it is EGL USA or EGL Israel.

 

[FLgirl41]

Thanks Gypsy and Chrono!

Gypsy I think I will definetly take a look at that website. I haven't heard of it so maybe if I keep my eyes open and look often I will find something. And as Chrono said I am not looking for a new setting. I absolutely love my current setting right now and even with a not so good looking stone my ring was absolutely stunning. But thank you for the suggestion! I have always loved the way a halo looks!

Chrono: Hehe my name is FLgirl. I'll take flygirl though.

I like how it sounds...

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I have another question that is sort of related to my stone. If I can't find a stone by December 19th (I am going back to Minnesota to visit my family and I am having engagement photos taken) is it unheard of to have fake set in my ring until I find a stone to replace mine. Because I am finding out that this is going to be a long process, expecially since there is more demand during the holidays for diamonds. I am fine not wearing my ring, although my finger feels funny without it, but I just would like it for engagement photos, but if not I that is just fine as well.

 

[chrono]

OMG, I'm so sorry. Somehow, I saw FLY and thought, "oh, she must like flying airplanes". My apologies again, FYGirl. I need to slow down and read, or get my eyes rechecked.

 

[Gypsy]

OK. I got it about the replace the stone keep current setting. I just thought a pretty colored stone in current setting and new halo e-ring might be an idea to consider.

I would call Wink and see if he has anything not listed on his site he can get a hold of for you.

 

[FLgirl41]

Date: 11/13/2007 4:00:04 PM
Author: Gypsy
OK. I got it about the replace the stone keep current setting. I just thought a pretty colored stone in current setting and new halo e-ring might be an idea to consider.

I would call Wink and see if he has anything not listed on his site he can get a hold of for you.

I will definetly do that! I keep on forgetting I can call these people... Thanks Gypsy!

 

[chrono]

ACK! I did it again!

I'm so sorry, FLGirl. There, I think I got your name right now. I'm so mortified at addressing you incorrectly. At least it cheered you up a little today.

 

[FLgirl41]

hehe chrono. There is no problem. It made me smile, and hopefully you as well. Everyone always needs a smile!

 

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Wink may even be able to help you in the temp department too.
EGL israel has 10 #s to it, and it starts with a 20, 21, 22, etc.

I cheated though, b/c the usa cert site had egl israel listed in their description of the stone!

 

[FLgirl41]

So i definetly rejected the first stone but here is another. Let me know what you think, Again it is EGL and the cert number is 2757392035

here are the stats:
weight: 1.83ct
Shape: Round Brilliant
Measurement: 7.98-7.92x 4.73mm
Total Depth:60.1%
Table Width: 57%
Crown Height: 14%
Pavillion Depth: 43%
Girdle: thin, faceted
Polish Very good
Symmetry: Excellent
Cutlet: none
Clarity: SI2
Color: I

Is this a good one or not?

 

[Gypsy]

I''m not a round expert. But is it at a vendor who can look at the stone? Cause an EGL I SI2 is something that needs to be seen (if the stats are good, which I''m not commenting on).

 

[FLgirl41]

Date: 11/13/2007 10:12:22 PM
Author: FLgirl41
So i definetly rejected the first stone but here is another. Let me know what you think, Again it is EGL and the cert number is 2757392035

here are the stats:
weight: 1.83ct
Shape: Round Brilliant
Measurement: 7.98-7.92x 4.73mm
Total Depth:60.1%
Table Width: 57%
Crown Height: 14%
Pavillion Depth: 43%
Girdle: thin, faceted
Polish Very good
Symmetry: Excellent
Cutlet: none
Clarity: SI2
Color: I

Is this a good one or not?

I found the above from abazias.com I emailed the sales girl I have been working with and asked more questions and to see a picture of the diamond. I did that Cut advisor thing and I think it came back as like 0.7 or 0.8. Is that good?

 

[chrono]

An eye clean SI2 would have to be seen on a case by case basis. HCA 0.7 or 0.8 is fine.

 

[FLgirl41]

Ok so that stone is also unavailable. So is it a fact that stones go very quickly? If so, should I just wait until I have the insurance check in hand so I can nab THE diamond i am looking for. I haven''t received my check from the insurance company yet but I am hoping by Friday I will have it. Should I just hold until then to look at diamonds? I guess I didn''t realize diamonds went that fast. Ya gotta start learning somewhere.

 

[chrono]

It''s hard to tell, sometimes the stone sits for a while and sometimes it goes fast. Who knows, maybe the person who purchased that particular stone had been reviewing it for weeks and just happened to purchase it yesterday. It would be best to have the insurance money in hand to know 100% how much you have to spend. For stones that you are considering, I would recommend calling the vendor to "hold" or reserve it while you continue investigating. Then you can find out more about eye cleanliness and etc without worry about it being bought out from under you. Most PS vendors will hold it at no charge for a few days.

 

[Gypsy]

Date: 11/14/2007 11:11:28 AM
Author: FLgirl41
Ok so that stone is also unavailable. So is it a fact that stones go very quickly? If so, should I just wait until I have the insurance check in hand so I can nab THE diamond i am looking for. I haven't received my check from the insurance company yet but I am hoping by Friday I will have it. Should I just hold until then to look at diamonds? I guess I didn't realize diamonds went that fast. Ya gotta start learning somewhere.

Your best bet is to work with a vendor, tell them exactly what you want, have them source the stone for you, then you place it on hold till have you have the insurance check if you find the right one... with a refundable deposit (if it's for longer than they normally hold for) if necessary. Just my opinion.

BTW: For your budget I would work with Wink and Engagement Rings Direct, personally.

 

[FLgirl41]

ok My computer sucks, everytime i hit submit lately an error message comes up and Ihave to retype what I said!

But anyways. I said thank you and that everyone has been such a great help.

I will Give ERD a call because I have not contacted them at all yet.

But I am also hoping my jeweler has some stuff for me to look at today when I go get the damaged stone to give the insurance company so I can get my check.

 

[chrono]

I''ve had this happen to me numerous time on both long and short posts. It drives me crazy when I''ve spent several minutes typing a detailed and well thought out post and "boom", it''s gone, just like that. Now, I automatically highlight the entire post and copy it, before hitting the Submit button. If the post disappears, all I have to do is hit Paste and viola, it''s back without the pain of trying to recall everything I typed earlier.

 

[FLgirl41]

Date: 11/14/2007 2:11:15 PM
Author: Chrono
I''ve had this happen to me numerous time on both long and short posts. It drives me crazy when I''ve spent several minutes typing a detailed and well thought out post and ''boom'', it''s gone, just like that. Now, I automatically highlight the entire post and copy it, before hitting the Submit button. If the post disappears, all I have to do is hit Paste and viola, it''s back without the pain of trying to recall everything I typed earlier.

I know I try to remember to do that but sometimes I forget, expecially when I am at work trying to be sneacky!

 

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Drat it deleted my post too.

The second one was EGL Israel too (10#s on the report, starts with 20, 21, 22, 23, 24, 25, 26, 27, 28, etc)

 

[FLgirl41]

Ok so I wiped my search criteria slate clean, and decided to completelyy illiminate EGL certs from it. Everything I was getting back the vendors were saying it was yellow or not eyeclean, so I found this:

Cert: GIA

Carat: 1.7
Color: I
Clarity: SI2
Measurements: 7.69-7.72x4.72
Cut Grade: Excellent
Polish: Very Good
Symmetry: Very Good
Fluorescence: MB
Table %: 57
Depth %: 61.3
Crown degree: 35
Pavillion Degree: 40.8
Girdle: Thin-Medium Faceted


The price is $8230 including shipping.

It has some small small inclusions that the vendor said can mostly by covered up by a prong. Which I am totally fine with. I saw a picture and was fine with them. But should I be worried about the Fluorescence. Is it bad to have fluorescence?

 

[chrono]

A strong blue can help a lower coloured stone look whiter. There are very few stones with SB that look milky or cloudy. Verify that the MB does not exhibit this look.

 

[FLgirl41]

Date: 11/15/2007 3:44:43 PM
Author: Chrono
A strong blue can help a lower coloured stone look whiter. There are very few stones with SB that look milky or cloudy. Verify that the MB does not exhibit this look.

The vendor said it wouldn''t be a problem. She acutally said the same things you did. But I took another look at the picture and it doesn''t appear to be cloudy or milky.