Thoughts on this stone?

[Grego3031]

GIA
RBC 1.77 Ideal H SI1
EX/EX/EX
Depth 60.7
Table 59.0
Crown 33.0
Pavilion 41.2
Flur: None
Girdle: Slighty Thick
7.77 x 7.82 x 4.73

13k

HCA - 2.3 Very Good Across the board. Falls within GIA and AGS Ideal ranges

Thanks in advance for your thoughts.

 

[Lorelei]

Date: 4/27/2010 12:36:01 PM
Author:Grego3031
GIA
RBC 1.77 Ideal H SI1
EX/EX/EX
Depth 60.7
Table 59.0
Crown 33.0
Pavilion 41.2
Flur: None
Girdle: Slighty Thick
7.77 x 7.82 x 4.73

13k

HCA - 2.3 Very Good Across the board. Falls within GIA and AGS Ideal ranges

Thanks in advance for your thoughts.

Hi Grego and welcome!

The diamond has possibilities but for us online, an Idealscope image would be needed to get a feel for this stone, is the diamond sold online or have you seen it in a jewellery store? Do you know if it is eyeclean and meets your expectations in that regard?

 

[Grego3031]

Date: 4/27/2010 12:39:57 PM
Author: Lorelei

Date: 4/27/2010 12:36:01 PM
Author:Grego3031
GIA
RBC 1.77 Ideal H SI1
EX/EX/EX
Depth 60.7
Table 59.0
Crown 33.0
Pavilion 41.2
Flur: None
Girdle: Slighty Thick
7.77 x 7.82 x 4.73

13k

HCA - 2.3 Very Good Across the board. Falls within GIA and AGS Ideal ranges

Thanks in advance for your thoughts.

Hi Grego and welcome!

The diamond has possibilities but for us online, an Idealscope image would be needed to get a feel for this stone, is the diamond sold online or have you seen it in a jewellery store? Do you know if it is eyeclean and meets your expectations in that regard?

Thanks for the quick response. It''s listed on BlueNile and I''ve had them do a visual of it which has come back eye clean from table, crown, sides. Viewing upside down from the pavilion there are two small white crystals visible, but they state its completely eye clean. Dont know how I''d get an idealscope image from them???

I''m back and forth between this and GIA 2.00 I SI1 EX/EX/EX which is 1400 more and not as eye clean. Going to an I color worries me a bit as well as I''m a little anal about color.

In my opinion I''m leaning towards a smaller, cleaner, better color.

Any other thoughts would be welcomed.

 

[stone-cold11]

Ditto.

 

[Lorelei]

Date: 4/27/2010 1:07:16 PM
Author: Grego3031

Date: 4/27/2010 12:39:57 PM
Author: Lorelei

Date: 4/27/2010 12:36:01 PM
Author:Grego3031
GIA
RBC 1.77 Ideal H SI1
EX/EX/EX
Depth 60.7
Table 59.0
Crown 33.0
Pavilion 41.2
Flur: None
Girdle: Slighty Thick
7.77 x 7.82 x 4.73

13k

HCA - 2.3 Very Good Across the board. Falls within GIA and AGS Ideal ranges

Thanks in advance for your thoughts.

Hi Grego and welcome!

The diamond has possibilities but for us online, an Idealscope image would be needed to get a feel for this stone, is the diamond sold online or have you seen it in a jewellery store? Do you know if it is eyeclean and meets your expectations in that regard?

Thanks for the quick response. It's listed on BlueNile and I've had them do a visual of it which has come back eye clean from table, crown, sides. Viewing upside down from the pavilion there are two small white crystals visible, but they state its completely eye clean. Dont know how I'd get an idealscope image from them???

I'm back and forth between this and GIA 2.00 I SI1 EX/EX/EX which is 1400 more and not as eye clean. Going to an I color worries me a bit as well as I'm a little anal about color.

In my opinion I'm leaning towards a smaller, cleaner, better color.

Any other thoughts would be welcomed.

You are welcome!

As it is from BN they won't provide images unfortunately so we have no way of getting any idea of the cut quality. They do have a 30 day return period so you could see what you think in person, you could also take it to an appraiser during that time if you could find one skilled in evaluating cut quality.

Would you like us to hunt around for you before you pull the trigger for some other selections if you give us your budget and preferences?

 

[Grego3031]

Date: 4/27/2010 1:22:50 PM
Author: Lorelei

Date: 4/27/2010 1:07:16 PM
Author: Grego3031

Date: 4/27/2010 12:39:57 PM
Author: Lorelei

Date: 4/27/2010 12:36:01 PM
Author:Grego3031
GIA
RBC 1.77 Ideal H SI1
EX/EX/EX
Depth 60.7
Table 59.0
Crown 33.0
Pavilion 41.2
Flur: None
Girdle: Slighty Thick
7.77 x 7.82 x 4.73

13k

HCA - 2.3 Very Good Across the board. Falls within GIA and AGS Ideal ranges

Thanks in advance for your thoughts.

Hi Grego and welcome!

The diamond has possibilities but for us online, an Idealscope image would be needed to get a feel for this stone, is the diamond sold online or have you seen it in a jewellery store? Do you know if it is eyeclean and meets your expectations in that regard?

Thanks for the quick response. It''s listed on BlueNile and I''ve had them do a visual of it which has come back eye clean from table, crown, sides. Viewing upside down from the pavilion there are two small white crystals visible, but they state its completely eye clean. Dont know how I''d get an idealscope image from them???

I''m back and forth between this and GIA 2.00 I SI1 EX/EX/EX which is 1400 more and not as eye clean. Going to an I color worries me a bit as well as I''m a little anal about color.

In my opinion I''m leaning towards a smaller, cleaner, better color.

Any other thoughts would be welcomed.

You are welcome!

As it is from BN they won''t provide images unfortunately so we have no way of getting any idea of the cut quality. They do have a 30 day return period so you could see what you think in person, you could also take it to an appraiser during that time if you could find one skilled in evaluating cut quality.

Would you like us to hunt around for you before you pull the trigger for some other selections if you give us your budget and preferences?

Regarding the cut-quality, wouldn''t it be somewhere around Excellent as stated on the GIA report? It also had excellent symmetry and polish.

Sure, as long as it''s from somewhere as reputable as BN with the same level of service, etc.

Looking for RBC between 1.75 - 2.00, G-H, SI1 or up

Budget: 13-14.5k

Thanks again

 

[Lorelei]

Date: 4/27/2010 1:36:56 PM
Author: Grego3031




Regarding the cut-quality, wouldn't it be somewhere around Excellent as stated on the GIA report? It also had excellent symmetry and polish.

Sure, as long as it's from somewhere as reputable as BN with the same level of service, etc.

Looking for RBC between 1.75 - 2.00, G-H, SI1 or up

Budget: 13-14.5k

Thanks again

It could be a good cut and effective performer but without images there is really no way to get a better idea of the cut quality and beauty of the diamond, the numbers don't tell the whole story. GIA Excellent cut grade doesn't guarantee any level of cut quality regrettably as it can allow for some less desirable proportion combos to get the Excellent grade, but the stone you found has potential on paper but we have no way of knowing for sure.

This stones below could be definite options if eyeclean,

http://www.whiteflash.com/loose-diamonds/round-cut-loose-diamond-2275591.htm

http://www.whiteflash.com/loose-diamonds/round-cut-loose-diamond-2231258.htm

http://www.whiteflash.com/loose-diamonds/round-cut-loose-diamond-2308992.htm

 

[stone-cold11]

This looks like a promising 60/60 cut.

Request for an idealscope image if interested.

http://www.jamesallen.com/diamonds/H-VS2-Ideal-Cut-Round-Diamond-1299712.asp

 

[Grego3031]

Date: 4/27/2010 1:50:43 PM
Author: Lorelei

Date: 4/27/2010 1:36:56 PM
Author: Grego3031





Regarding the cut-quality, wouldn''t it be somewhere around Excellent as stated on the GIA report? It also had excellent symmetry and polish.

Sure, as long as it''s from somewhere as reputable as BN with the same level of service, etc.

Looking for RBC between 1.75 - 2.00, G-H, SI1 or up

Budget: 13-14.5k

Thanks again

It could be a good cut and effective performer but without images there is really no way to get a better idea of the cut quality and beauty of the diamond, the numbers don''t tell the whole story. GIA Excellent cut grade doesn''t guarantee any level of cut quality regrettably as it can allow for some less desirable proportion combos to get the Excellent grade, but the stone you found has potential on paper but we have no way of knowing for sure.

This stones below could be definite options if eyeclean,

http://www.whiteflash.com/loose-diamonds/round-cut-loose-diamond-2275591.htm

http://www.whiteflash.com/loose-diamonds/round-cut-loose-diamond-2231258.htm

http://www.whiteflash.com/loose-diamonds/round-cut-loose-diamond-2308992.htm

Thanks those are beautiful stones, but unfortunately the time frame for getting it mounted in one of their settings wont meet my timelines. Regarding what you spoke about earlier with cut isn''t AGSL considered more stringent on cut than GIA?

I''ve found the following on BN:

AGSL
1.83 G SI1
Cut: Ideal
Polish: Ideal
Sym: Ideal
Crown: 32.5
Pav: 40.9
7.92 x 7.94 x 4.76

I have requested a visual inspection on it and am awaiting the results.

HCA score - 0.9 Excellent across the board. Falls within the GIA excellent but not AGSL ideal? Could this be that the HCA hasn''t been updated recently?

$14.2k

http://img.bluenile.com/is/image/certs/?$cert$&src={/418/AGS1040404910013_zoom.jpeg}&fmt=pdf

Thoughts?

Now the strange thing is that I saw on the AGSL cert that it had a GIA inscribed number so I looked it up and it came up with a report done in 11/09 and only a ''Very Good''. Most of the proportions were the same but the height differed by 0.01 and the pavilion angle differed by 0.01. AGSL was done 3/24/10.

See GIA here:

http://www2.gia.edu/reportcheck/index.cfm?fuseaction=home.showReportVerification

Why do you think that this was resent to AGSL? Because they thought it was higher quality than what GIA originally graded it?

Thanks again for all your help. This site is great!

 

[yssie]

Date: 4/27/2010 7:13:01 PM
Author: Grego3031

Date: 4/27/2010 1:50:43 PM
Author: Lorelei

Date: 4/27/2010 1:36:56 PM
Author: Grego3031






Regarding the cut-quality, wouldn''t it be somewhere around Excellent as stated on the GIA report? It also had excellent symmetry and polish.

Sure, as long as it''s from somewhere as reputable as BN with the same level of service, etc.

Looking for RBC between 1.75 - 2.00, G-H, SI1 or up

Budget: 13-14.5k

Thanks again

It could be a good cut and effective performer but without images there is really no way to get a better idea of the cut quality and beauty of the diamond, the numbers don''t tell the whole story. GIA Excellent cut grade doesn''t guarantee any level of cut quality regrettably as it can allow for some less desirable proportion combos to get the Excellent grade, but the stone you found has potential on paper but we have no way of knowing for sure.

This stones below could be definite options if eyeclean,

http://www.whiteflash.com/loose-diamonds/round-cut-loose-diamond-2275591.htm

http://www.whiteflash.com/loose-diamonds/round-cut-loose-diamond-2231258.htm

http://www.whiteflash.com/loose-diamonds/round-cut-loose-diamond-2308992.htm

Thanks those are beautiful stones, but unfortunately the time frame for getting it mounted in one of their settings wont meet my timelines. Regarding what you spoke about earlier with cut isn''t AGSL considered more stringent on cut than GIA?

I''ve found the following on BN:

AGSL
1.83 G SI1
Cut: Ideal
Polish: Ideal
Sym: Ideal
Crown: 32.5
Pav: 40.9
7.92 x 7.94 x 4.76

I have requested a visual inspection on it and am awaiting the results.

HCA score - 0.9 Excellent across the board. Falls within the GIA excellent but not AGSL ideal? Could this be that the HCA hasn''t been updated recently?
There are some stones that will be GIA Ex but not AGS0 and vice versa. The labs have different requirements for their highest cut grade, and there is some overlap. The HCA has nothing to do with AGS grading.

http://agslab.com/trade_research_and_development_proportion_based_cut_grade.php
http://www.gia.edu/diamondcut/06_estimating_a_cut_grade.html#lookup



$14.2k

http://img.bluenile.com/is/image/certs/?$cert$&src={/418/AGS1040404910013_zoom.jpeg}&fmt=pdf

Thoughts?

Now the strange thing is that I saw on the AGSL cert that it had a GIA inscribed number so I looked it up and it came up with a report done in 11/09 and only a ''Very Good''. Most of the proportions were the same but the height differed by 0.01 and the pavilion angle differed by 0.01. AGSL was done 3/24/10. GIA rounds pavilion up to the nearest 0.2, so 40.7 becomes 40.8 on the report.

See GIA here:

http://www2.gia.edu/reportcheck/index.cfm?fuseaction=home.showReportVerification

Why do you think that this was resent to AGSL? Because they thought it was higher quality than what GIA originally graded it?
Dunno what the reason was but someone chose well - now it carries the AGS0 premium

Thanks again for all your help. This site is great!

 

[Grego3031]

Thanks - I understand that the HCA doesn''t have anything to do with cut scoring but, correct me if I''m wrong will give a good indication of the visual performance. The 1.83 stone scored below 1 while the 1.77 I was looking at scored 2.3.

Being that I''m between these two stones at BN and wont be able to see them would you feel more comformtable going with an AGS stone over GIA in terms of cut quality?

Any advice woudl be appreciated.

 

[Lorelei]

Date: 4/28/2010 9:49:27 AM
Author: Grego3031
Thanks - I understand that the HCA doesn't have anything to do with cut scoring but, correct me if I'm wrong will give a good indication of the visual performance. The 1.83 stone scored below 1 while the 1.77 I was looking at scored 2.3.

Being that I'm between these two stones at BN and wont be able to see them would you feel more comformtable going with an AGS stone over GIA in terms of cut quality?

Any advice woudl be appreciated.

Grego

The HCA is no indication of visual performance, all it does is tell you whether a particular diamond is worth further investigation. The HCA is used for rejection not selection and a lower score isn't better than a higher one. All scores below 2 are normally considered to be worth further evaluation which is done with images and trusted vendor/ appraiser advice and your own eyes make the final choice.