Thoughts on this rock?! Need help!!

[Buster_DL]

Long time lurker, first time poster!

Well, I''ve found the perfect girl, and now I''m looking for the perfect diamond...and I need the help of the PS experts! Based on the below, is this a good stone for a fair price? I''m pretty sure I know the answer, but would love any feedback you all can offer.

1.14 ct I SI1 H&A
AGS Ideal 0
Triple VH on the BS
ISEE2: 9.2
6.75x6.77
Depth: 61.2%
Table: 55%
Crown Angle: 34.4
Pavilion Angle: 41.0

Price: $5,250

What are your thoughts on setting this in Platinum? Will an I be to yellowish (i''ve read this from other users on PS)? I''m thinking about an x prong from Vatche. Comments?!?!?!?!

 

[Shay37]

Most super ideal cuts hide color and inclusions very well. I have an I Superbcert H&A, and I cannot see any yellow in it at all. Several people who are regular posters here have gone with J color diamonds in platinum. Run a search in show me the ring. You cannot see the color in them, and I for one could not believe they were J color. I think an I in platinum would be fine if it is a spectacular cut, and yours appears to be. (I am not an expert) Are you sensitive to color at all? If you don't know, you need to go to some stores and just see what different colors in ideal cuts will look like. Good luck.

 

[Magnum]

First, let me say welcome.

As far as the stone, it looks like it has really good optics and is a top performer. As far as the color/clarity, I SI1 is a great combination to maximize bang for the buck and still have a white, eye-clean stone (without sacrificing anything in the cut department). If I were you, I'd ask the vendor to confirm that the stone is eye-clean. It looks like it is from the pictures, but there's one crystal that might be visible, even though I doubt it. As far as the color goes, I is usually the cut off people recommend for platinum, but some would even say J is okay, and in rare occasions even lower. Again, I'd ask the vendor his opinion on the color, and whether or not it's a "good" I. By that I mean that as you get farther down the color scale, the range of what would be classified a certain color gets progressively larger, so while there won't be much difference between two F colored stone, there could be more of a difference between two I colored stones. Even if it's at the lower end of the I range, i still think it would be ok, but that's something for you to decide. As Shay37 said, it's a good idea to compare ideal cut stones of different colors and see what your tolerance is. Keep in mind, though, that while you will see a difference between an I and a G color stone side by side, you may not notice it when the stones are not side by side. Anyway, from everything I've seen so far, the stone you listed is a great looking diamond, and a really good deal.

 

[squirerad]

Welcome. I'm not an expert either but have absorbed much since started reading PS. A minor correction is that the stone you picked is not a true triple very high. For the purest, a triple VH must completely clear the line between H and VH. Often, each section is divided into thirds; the 1.14 I/SI1 would be a H3+, VH3+, H3+.

Below is an example of a clear triple VH and one of the best I've seen while visiting all the sites (VH3+, VH3+, VH3+) albeit a different size/color:
http://superbcert.com/Shop_By_Product/Diamond_Details.cfm/P/162629/N/1;1

Here is another with different size/color/clarity (VH3, VH3, VH3+):
http://www.goodoldgold.com/1_06ct_f_si2_h%26a.htm

However, if you read old posts regarding BScopes, there is a debate as to whether you may or may not be able tell the different between a 2H/1VH versus a 3VH. As a consumer, you can choose different stones from different vendors and have it looked at by you and an independent appraiser to make your final selection (but this may be a little more $$). Lastly, it is important to not only look at the bars but at the 5 main images as you can notice a difference in the two above.

Good luck in your purchase.

squire

 

[valeria101]

Top ranks on both Brilliance cope and Isee, would indicate that the diamond in cause would look as good as it gets in both direct and indirect light (really, however you might look at it). I definitely agree that such a stone is well suited to a jaded diamond hunter who would only put up with the best, but this really is about as good as cut gets, by (literally) any standard.

One can surely find satisfactory quality a bit lower, but only very few showing better on any "machine" and perhaps just the same to the eye anyway (this assuming you are lookin for the most brilliant and fiery round brilliant, not some other standard of beauty

).

I would think thik this stone makes a great balance of color, clarity and cut for the best visual effect rather than paper grades. Not a bad choice at all

You might find a tad cheaper, but keeping the 'look' will likely not result in allot of discount in either cut, color and clarity... at least as far as a quick search lets me believe...

 

[Buster_DL]

Thanks for the help so far! squirerad has shown me a rock I didn't see before (hadn't checked out superbcert's yet). Now I'm stuck between the one in my original and the superbcert! It's a considerable amount less money, and scores just as high (actually higher as squirerad pointed out) on the brilliancescope. The color (it's a J) might scare me if I hadn't read so many others saying an excellent cut stone (like both of these are) will face up white no matter what. WHAT TO DO! I am going to decide between these two stones today...so anyone who has anything to offer, please do. Here are the two stones:

GOG:
http://www.goodoldgold.com/1_13ct_i_si1_h%26a.htm

Superbcert:
http://superbcert.com/Shop_By_Product/Diamond_Details.cfm/P/162629/N/1;1

A brilliant, fiery stone that sparkles like mad (and is over 1 ct) is my goal here. Both get me there, and one is lots less. However, Jonathon has been SO GREAT in my search, I almost feel guilty for even considering another diamond vendor. I'm at a loss...NEED HELP!!! Thanks everyone...

 

[Magnum]

That superbcert stone definitely has some amazing optics. it is a little bit smaller and a little lower in color, but $1,000 is nothing to sneeze at. have you asked barry about the color? While you may not see any difference between an F and a G, the difference between adjacent color grades gets bigger as you go down the color scale, so the difference between an I and a J might be noticeable. I'd ask Barry if he think's it's a "good" J, that is, if it's closer to an I than a K, or if it's right in the middle of the J range. other than that, that stone looks great. I'm actually surprised it's an SI1 by looking at the inclusion photo. Best of luck, whichever way you decide to go.

 

[Buster_DL]

I did talk to Barry, and stated it was a 'super J'! From speaking with him, I didn't get the feeling he was too pushy or in a rush to get me into this stone, so I trust his opinion...but you never know?!

I'm pretty sure I'm going with the Superbcert...but my feeling is bittersweet. I've found the diamond that fits my bill very well, but I can't help but feel like I've left Jonathon and GOG out in the cold after all their help and diligence in my search. Whichever way I go, GOG will be the FIRST place I go from now on whenever I'm looking for a diamond. Please realize that statement conveys absolutely NOTHING against Barry at all (he's been more than excellent in the conversations we've had), I just want Rhino to know how much he's appreciated by me, and that this is not personal AT ALL. In a perfect world I would have bought from him in a heartbeat. And I can just about gaurantee he will have my business one day. I'm sure that some day the perfect lady needs a set of perfect diamond studs! And probably another diamond ring or necklace to match!

Thanks for the input and help everyone...this community is something else.

As for the Superbcert diamond and company, expect to see my posting a rave review on the rock and Barry once I receive it and she says Yes (June 11th is the big day)! Take care,

AJ (buster_dl)

 

[squirerad]

Congrats Buster. Look forward to seeing your pixs.

BTW, if you haven't already yet, you can ask Barry to take some digital professional style photos of the finished product for free. For someone like me who does not own a digital camera (yet), it's a way to verify the quality of the craftsmanship prior to it being delivered and also a quick way to receive and post nice high-res pictures on PS.

squire

 

[Rhino]

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On 5/18/2004 2:22:35 AM squirerad wrote:











Below is an example of a clear triple VH and one of the best I've seen while visiting all the sites (VH3+, VH3+, VH3+) albeit a different size/color:
http://superbcert.com/Shop_By_Product/Diamond_Details.cfm/P/162629/N/1;1

Here is another with different size/color/clarity (VH3, VH3, VH3+):
http://www.goodoldgold.com/1_06ct_f_si2_h%26a.htm

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Buster ... of course whatever you decide is fine with me. What matters most is you and your fiance's happinness with what you're getting and if it's with barry so be it. But if it is based on this ridiculous bit of hyperbole, this is one of the most absurb statements I've ever read. Not a true triple VH?!?! For clarification ... when 2 triple VH's are put side by side (and your original is a true triple VH

, although already sold now) both appear the same side by side. If anyone tells you different they don't know what they're talking about or have not personally made the comparison between 2 such stones.

 

[Buster_DL]

Thanks Rhino, I appreciate your reply. My decision did not have anything to do with the fact that squirerad stated your stone was not a true triple VH, yet the superbcert diamond was. I'm no expert by any means, but I've read enough to know that once you get on the high end of those scores into the H-VH, the human eye will not see much of a difference, and probably none at all.

This decision was based on two things:
1. The superbcert fit my criteria for everything WITH the J color being my only initial concern. There is no question it is a great cut (as was yours). The clarity is great for an SI1, it's above 1 ct, and it's a shiner!

It has faint fluorescence also, which I've read makes a stone in the I-K range appear whiter than it actually is (hopefully what I've read is true!). So I was confident in the fact that my tolerance for the 4 C's was not being compromised.

2. It was some $1200 cheaper. I hate to sound like a tightwad, but I'm not exactly made of money either! Even though I was nearly ready to spend the nearly $5200 on your stone, I couldn't help but tell myself I could be saving LOTS of money by making a couple of, what I considered, small sacrifices.

Granted, your stone was bigger by .11 ct (or about .2 mm in spread), and the color was an I. However, in my evaluation of these two factors I was willing to to part with the slightly larger rock and slightly better color for a diamond that still met my criteria and cost me that much less.

I'm guessing that if I held your stone and the superbcert next to one another, I would notice the size difference, but most likely nothing more. My girl hasn't been all about the size (at least she says she isn't!), so I figured that the 1.02 J SI1 really is the best fit for me and my gal.

I really meant it before when I said that in a perfect world, I would have bought from GOG. Again, I can't say enough about the business Rhino is running over there...TOP NOTCH. It just so happened that the stone that was right for me and my future fiance just so happened to be with another company (and another great one at that).

Thanks again Rhino...you have my utmost respect.

Buster

 

[Rhino]

No need to explain my friend. Let me also say you've been a pleasure to help and I respect your decision. You too have been top notch to deal with (feel like I know ya a long time already!). Sometimes it all boils down to who has the right goods and at the right time. It happens all the time to all of us vendors. I may have something that WF doesn't, Niceice may have what I don't, etc. etc. Just part of being in this biz.




I wish you THE BEST Buster cause you certainly deserve it.




Warm regards,
Jonathan & the GOG staff

 

[Skybluewater]

Buster:

I found myself in a similar situation to you in my own diamond search. I had just about settled on a GOG diamond when I came across a stong Superbcert stone. In my case I ended up going with the GOG stone but I was very appreciative of the way that both Jonathan and Barry dealth with the situation. Neither one resorted to high pressure sales tactics or bashed the other's product.

Like you when I am looking for another diamond, GOG will be the first place that I would look. However if they did not have what I was looking for I would not hesitate to look at NiceIce, Whiteflash, Winfields or Superbcert based on my dealings with them and the reputation they have on this forum.