Thoughts on this ideal 2.01ct H si1 round

[Hafrica13]

Hi I’m new here. I’ve been doing a ton of research and am looking to buy the attached 2.01ct round brilliant Gia 3ex H si1. Super ideal cut is a priority for me.

stats:
Depth: 62.8
Table: 56
Crown height %: 15
crown angle: 34.5
Pav height %: 44
Pav angle: 46.1
Star length %: 50
Lower half %: 75
Girdle: 2.01-2.53
Girdle%: 3.5
Culet none
Flouresence: strong blue no haze

My main question comes down to the 41.6 degree pavilion angles. I’ve read that that’s generally too steep. Do the aset and idealscope seem to decent. Is the 41.6 pav angled being “saved” by something? Any issues I’m missing?

Any input would be appreciated. Thank you!!

-H

 

[coda72]

Since you said that super ideal cut is a priority for you, I think you should get a stone from one of the super ideal vendors like Whiteflash, High Performance Diamonds, or Brian Gavin Diamonds.

 

[jp201845]

If a super ideal cut is important to you I would pass on this one due to the Pavillion Angle and Depth... these numbers aren't even in ideal range.

 

[KKJohnson]

sorry to say, that’s not an ideal cut

 

[Hafrica13]

Thanks for the honest feedback- that’s been my thinking. Is this a good aset? Is that more important than qualifying as ideal? I don’t necessarily need super ideal so long as it’s a great diamond. Hard to define the threshold of actual value and marketing. Haha.

 

[flyingpig]

That ASET is impossible for this diamond. Check the listing again.

Actually, the H&A image, the ASET image and the actual image.. they are all different diamonds. The only actual photo potentially belongs to the diamond.

 

[Hafrica13]

Hrm that’s strange. My person sent me screenshots of their system and I cropped and uploaded them here. Could they really be different stones? He showed each page showing aset hearts arrows rough plan etc. each page had all the stats listed. It’s Gia 6335948335 for reference.

 

[flyingpig]

They are not even close. Trust me. Look at the edges, the size of inner circle, length and thickness of arrows... Nothing matches.

Talking about the diamond itself, 34.5 CA and 41.6 PA just do not work. It will be leaky for sure.

 

[Hafrica13]

Thank you! The guy told me that was an alignment issue w the aset. Think that bs? Also on the screen shots it says the inscription is different than that report number- is that a red flag?

 

[flyingpig]

Ok.. you should walk away from this guy. What a scammer.

 

[Hafrica13]

Hrm, i think you may be right. We’ve been in contact for a couple months now. He’s sent me a number of items for review but this was the most recent. here’s what he sent me. Perhaps he’s in the business but just is trying to bait and switch?

 

[flyingpig]

I don't know what to say. You worked together for 2 months and this stone is the best he can offer? The images don't match, the report number and inscription number don't match. His explanation on the ASET is a complete BS.

There is nothing that can magically save 41.6 pavilion.

i think you may be right.

No, I am right.

 

[Hafrica13]

Haha, thank you Flying Pig! You’ve likely saved me some major headache.

 

[lovedogs]

Haha, thank you Flying Pig! You’ve likely saved me some major headache.

Unfortunately, this is not a good choice. I would run far and fast from this person, and start looking from a super ideal vendor if cut quality is important to you. If you let us know your budget and ideal color/clarity, etc, we can help!

 

[Hafrica13]

I have 19,000 and would like to get into 2ct size without sacrificing cut. I’d like to stay h color or above. And as long as it’s a true eye cleanwith no clouds or haze I’m fine with si. Willing to go down in size if needed.

 

[sledge]

True super ideal H&A stone just under the 2 carat mark to avoid the magic weight price premium.

Save $1,000 from your budget.

Completely eye clean and a performer. All images are real and look great. WF is a rock solid and trustworthy dealer. Also, they offer a lifetime upgrade program that is stupid simple -- spend $1 more and get full credit, no other strings.

Your easy button super ideal solution.....

Diamond | 1.941 ct H SI1 A CUT ABOVE® Hearts and Arrows Super Ideal Round Cut Loose Diamond AGS Certified | 4039667

This Whiteflash A CUT ABOVE® super ideal cut hearts and arrows 1.941 carat H color SI1 clarity loose diamond is graded by the American Gem Society (AGS) Laboratories. | 4039667

www.whiteflash.com

 

[KKJohnson]

I think sledges choice is perfect as it saves some on the budget and will face up like a 2ct and will be eye clean.

If you are still set on reaching that magic 2ct mark then you will have to pay the premium price bump that comes with it.

a little out of budget but would be nice to request a comparison against

Diamond | 2.04 ct H VS2 Premium Select Round Cut Loose Diamond GIA Certified | 4180544

This fabulous 2.04 carat Round Excellent cut diamond has a clarity grade of VS2 and color grade of H.It is an excellent choice for diamond engagement rings or other fine diamond jewelry. | 4180544

www.whiteflash.com

 

[Hafrica13]

True super ideal H&A stone just under the 2 carat mark to avoid the magic weight price premium.

Save $1,000 from your budget.

Completely eye clean and a performer. All images are real and look great. WF is a rock solid and trustworthy dealer. Also, they offer a lifetime upgrade program that is stupid simple -- spend $1 more and get full credit, no other strings.

Your easy button super ideal solution.....

Diamond | 1.941 ct H SI1 A CUT ABOVE® Hearts and Arrows Super Ideal Round Cut Loose Diamond AGS Certified | 4039667

This Whiteflash A CUT ABOVE® super ideal cut hearts and arrows 1.941 carat H color SI1 clarity loose diamond is graded by the American Gem Society (AGS) Laboratories. | 4039667

www.whiteflash.com

Thanks for the great suggestions! I've actually had my eye on that 1.94- I don't have to crack the 2ct mark. Looking at the video there are a bunch of small pinpoints in it. Should that be of concern? or if its WF ACA it should be good to go? The 2.04 premium select is nice too!

 

[mission1]

The 1.94 looks very clean in the images, and quoted as eyeclean on the website. With an upgrade policy like that you have pretty much zero risk.

 

[lovedogs]

Thanks for the great suggestions! I've actually had my eye on that 1.94- I don't have to crack the 2ct mark. Looking at the video there are a bunch of small pinpoints in it. Should that be of concern? or if its WF ACA it should be good to go? The 2.04 premium select is nice too!

It will almost certainly be eye clean. The video is zoomed in. You can call WF and ask them how eye clean it is (e.g. from how many inches away do you have to look in order to see any inclusions, from what angles, etc). Thays the nice thing about trustworthy vendors who have their products in house....they can look at each stone and give you their honest opinion.

 

[sledge]

a little out of budget but would be nice to request a comparison against

Diamond | 2.04 ct H VS2 Premium Select Round Cut Loose Diamond GIA Certified | 4180544

This fabulous 2.04 carat Round Excellent cut diamond has a clarity grade of VS2 and color grade of H.It is an excellent choice for diamond engagement rings or other fine diamond jewelry. | 4180544

www.whiteflash.com

Nice pick and gets over the 2 carat hump for not much more.

FYI, PS stones are "near ACA" misses that have GIA certification (as opposed to AGS)..

It appears this stone missed the ACA mark due to very minor issues with light performance and symmetry. The IS shows it best in the 1 o'clock position. The ASET is less noticeable and shows up as green (vs red). The hearts are also not 100% symmetrical like a typical ACA but still very close and light years ahead of most GIA XXX stones.

Looking at the performance in the glamour video, I think it's obvious these are extremely minor variances and probably not something even detectable IRL. But it does help boost your clarity to VS2, get over the 2 carat mark and keep your price fairly reasonable -- assuming you have wiggle room.

Thanks for the great suggestions! I've actually had my eye on that 1.94- I don't have to crack the 2ct mark. Looking at the video there are a bunch of small pinpoints in it. Should that be of concern? or if its WF ACA it should be good to go? The 2.04 premium select is nice too!

As already mentioned by @mission1 and @lovedogs I do think the stone will be eye clean. The glamour video is very magnified/zoomed from real life. More importantly this is a stone that WF actually has in their safe and they have vetted/inspected to ensure it's eye clean. There is a team that evaluates a set of criteria to meet ACA designation, and one of those metrics is ensuring clarity does NOT impede light performance.

Additionally the web page indicates the stone is indeed eye clean. However, because the stone is in their safe, it's very easy to contact WF and have them pull the stone and confirm there are no issues. Especially if your definition of eye clean varies from theirs.

What is your definition of ‘Eye-Clean’?

Our definition of eye-clean: No inclusions visible face-up at a distance of 8-10 inches in natural lighting to a person with 20/20 vision.

www.whiteflash.com

What Is Your Definition Of ‘Eye-Clean’?
The Whiteflash baseline definition of eye-clean is:

No inclusions visible to the naked eye of a person with 20/20 vision when viewing the diamond in the face-up position at a distance of approximately 10 inches under normal overhead lighting .

Distance, lighting and human vision all influence this judgment. There is no universally agreed upon definition of eye-clean in the trade so we developed this one in order to communicate meaningfully with our customers. 10 inches is the ‘distance of most distinct vision’ as defined by the field of optometry. It is also a basis used by the AGS Laboratory in light performance grading, and so this is a logical standard and a practical baseline.

Diamonds graded by AGS and GIA with clarities of VS or above are almost always completely eye-clean by the above standard. On our website diamond detail pages you will find a determination of whether the diamond strictly meets our standard (/Eye-clean = Yes" . Many diamonds that are not technically eye-clean may still be well worth considering as the inclusions will ususally not be seen except by very careful examination. In these cases the eye-clean field will say "inquire" and allow you to call or chat in to one of our consultants for a detailed description of the clarity characteristics and to determine if the diamond might meet your particular needs.

*For practical guidance see our page on diamond clarity. For more in-depth information see our page on clarity grading at the lab.

A CUT ABOVE® Diamonds Specifications and Qualifications

Uncover the diamond specifications and qualifications that make up the Whiteflash A CUT ABOVE® diamonds. The most carefully crafted diamonds in the world.

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Filtering For Clarity Issues
It could be argued that any internal inclusions block some light rays as they pass through the diamond and would therefore diminish light performance. In theory this is true but in practice many inclusions are so minute as to have negligible effect on performance. This is especially true in the upper gemological grades. In the Slightly Included grades, diminished light performance can be an issue, even if cutting is perfect. Therefore, one of the critical assessments the Whiteflash gemological review team makes is to look for any deleterious effects that might be present as a result of clarity features. Depending on several factors such as inclusion type, location, size and density, some diamonds will appear slightly “sleepy” or not as “crisp” as they otherwise would be. This can be a very subtle effect and one that is not contained on any grading report. Diamonds with any such deficits are not allowed into the A CUT ABOVE® brand.

For perhaps even more obvious reasons, A CUT ABOVE® diamonds are carefully inspected for any clarity issues that would give rise to structural weakness. A diamond with a feather or other clarity feature that in our assessment poses an elevated durability risk for mounting or wear will not be allowed in the brand.

Eliminating Cutting Defects
Defects that can be controlled by the cutting process are disallowed. For instance, diamonds with chips or scratches mentioned on the lab report will disqualify a diamond from A CUT ABOVE®. Some surface features such as ‘naturals’ are allowed as they are “elective” in nature. That is, the cutter allows a small piece of the skin of the diamond to be present in natural condition (not polished) when it is confined to the girdle of the diamond. Extra facets are not allowed in A CUT ABOVE® rounds as they often represent a “shortcut” that a cutter has taken to repair a chip or remove an inclusion.

A large percentage of mined diamonds exhibit a property called fluorescence. When exposed to ultraviolet light, they will glow. Usually the color is blue. Because fluorescence can at times be off-putting to some people, reduce market value, and in some cases actually diminish light performance, A CUT ABOVE® diamonds must have Negligible fluorescence.

 

[sledge]

Some potential alternates, all with VS2 clarity.

Diamond | 1.876 ct G VS2 A CUT ABOVE® Hearts and Arrows Super Ideal Round Cut Loose Diamond AGS Certified | 4049786

This Whiteflash A CUT ABOVE® super ideal cut hearts and arrows 1.876 carat G color VS2 clarity loose diamond is graded by the American Gem Society (AGS) Laboratories. | 4049786

www.whiteflash.com

Diamond | 1.918 ct H VS2 A CUT ABOVE® Hearts and Arrows Super Ideal Round Cut Loose Diamond AGS Certified | 4189533

This Whiteflash A CUT ABOVE® super ideal cut hearts and arrows 1.918 carat H color VS2 clarity loose diamond is graded by the American Gem Society (AGS) Laboratories. | 4189533

www.whiteflash.com

Diamond | 1.948 ct H VS2 A CUT ABOVE® Hearts and Arrows Super Ideal Round Cut Loose Diamond AGS Certified | 4187464

This Whiteflash A CUT ABOVE® super ideal cut hearts and arrows 1.948 carat H color VS2 clarity loose diamond is graded by the American Gem Society (AGS) Laboratories. | 4187464

www.whiteflash.com

Another quality vendor comparable, HPD, that jumps you to VS1 clarity:

https://www.hpdiamonds.com/en-us/diamonddetail/HPD9589

I bought my wife's stone from BGD and had a good experience. They too are a super ideal vendor, and this looks like a well priced stone for 2+ carat. SI1 clarity, but eye clean. Price is weird. Usually wire is cheaper. Their site just underwent a remodel -- I wonder if this is a typo.

2.064 H SI1 Signature Round

Buy diamonds online - AGS graded 2.064 carat H SI1 Round super ideal cut Brian Gavin Hearts & Arrows Diamond. Lifetime Upgrade Policy!

www.briangavindiamonds.com

Linking the AGS cert separate, as I didn't see a direct link on the BGD web page above:

AGS Laboratories

agslab.com

 

[Hafrica13]

Like clockwork, someone reserved that 1.94. Thanks for all the help still hunting.

 

[KKJohnson]

I had a question about color sensitivity for the intended wearer, can they tell the difference in colors?

This is a list that I would request a comparison on for color range

Diamond comparison | Compare Diamonds to choose and buy the best one

Whiteflash gives you an excellent opportunity to compare diamonds to make a great deal. With diamond’s parameters provided, you can compare any detail.

www.whiteflash.com

it sucks to have missed out on the 1.94 but dont give up on it just yet because it might come available after the hold period. oh and that BGD diamond suggested above to swoon worthy

 

[sledge]

Yup, ton of lurkers out there. If you get interested in a stone, please put on reserve so someone doesn't snatch it out from under you.

To be quite honest, the reason someone snapped that stone up is because first it was pretty awesome. But secondly, it provided the same size/spread as a 2 carat stone without the magic weight price premium. These type of stones don't fall out of the sky everyday, especially with super ideals, but they are a sweet spot for those looking to maximize size while being budget conscious.

If you are even remotely interested in that BGD stone, you should contact them and place on reserve. Also, confirm the price. Given how the wire and credit prices appear swapped, I think that is a typo and I think the credit price is closer to $22k. But who knows, maybe the $19.9k is right.